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RE: Is This True? - 7/9/2004 4:03:03 PM   
iwillserveu


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I cannot comment on the "further right" - "further kink" proposal


Give credit to sweetpeggy for the set up line.

It depends on what you mistakenly call conservative. Pat Robertson in a chastity belt being spanked by Jerry Falwell in a leather harness does seem to come easily to mind.

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RE: Is This True? - 7/9/2004 4:04:53 PM   
iwillserveu


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I won't have sex with you. If we discuss politics can we remain friends in the morning?

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RE: Is This True? - 7/9/2004 4:06:32 PM   
iwillserveu


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You enjoy being raped by your husband? (Hey you are kinky.)

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RE: Is This True? - 7/9/2004 4:13:40 PM   
iwillserveu


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The Starr report was supposedly about the Whitewater developements. How much did I pay for a report that didn't even mention if Monica swallowed. (Geesh, I get better porn at cheaper rates the the government provides.)

What gets me is can't you Republicans find anything else to hate Clinton for? If you guys can't, c'mon, that's pretty pathetic.

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RE: Is This True? - 7/9/2004 4:22:37 PM   
iwillserveu


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Status: offline 		I've seen those. They are worthless. They go on a left right scale. I don't fit. Tell me I'm pro guns, pro choice, pro legalization, and anti government spending on all but Constitutionally grounded things. Am I "Conservative" or "Liberal"

Worlds smallest quiz, pretty damn neutrally worded too

Caveat. It is on the Libertarian site. The results may be skewed by Libertarians taking it. Oh, I'm 80,80. (It is ten questions with yes, no, maybe. Before someone whines that is not enough a "Yes, but" is a "maybe")

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RE: Is This True? - 7/9/2004 4:26:24 PM   
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Mrs. Clinton is trying to get control of "Universal Healthcare" while she makes hundreds of thousands in pharmeseutical stocks? Jennifer Flowers is DENIED her constitutional rights to fair and speedy trial by the man elected to EXECUTE the laws of the country.


So you would go after Clinton for anextramaritsal BJ, not that?

(No emiticon for shaking head in despair so...) <sigh> Republicans

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RE: Is This True? - 7/9/2004 4:30:08 PM   
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The problem with reading constantly, taking courses in philosophy, and growing up as a disaffected anti-social punker, is that I am left with the idea that everybody else is wrong.

Add to that the Zen precept that "Zen is not what you think" and extensive study into both Zen and Taoism, as well as the idea that I am probably wrong.

And I seem to have ended up being a person who A) thinks everybody else is wrong and B) think I am also wrong.

Welcome to my world ;)

Sinergy


Sinergy,

Let me clear it up for you. You are right except when you are wrong.

I hope that clears everything up for you.

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RE: Is This True? - 7/9/2004 4:34:26 PM   
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RE: Is This True? - 7/9/2004 4:36:46 PM   
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I think we all can agree that rewarding behavior we don't like is a bad idea.

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RE: Is This True? - 7/11/2004 8:47:49 PM   
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M. January - I am sorry, but I can only report the fact that the nightly news one evening back in the 1990's had an item where the feminist movement had made a statement that, since traditional marriage is based on a patriarchal oriented society, all marital sex was therefore rape in their opinion/by their definition - now, since i do not watch the evening news (I work late afternoons mostly 3 til midnight), one of my friends told me about this - and the reason he brought it up was his wife's reaction to this announcement, very similar to yours - she turned to him and said "rape me" - so I am sorry but I cannot give you a break on this one

M. iwill - not even remotely interested in having sex with another man - and I am still friends with many people who I have discussed politics with, however, the level of friendship has changed - so that is the reason I try not to discuss politics or religion - I tend to value friendship too much to want to fuck it up

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What gets me is can't you Republicans find anything else to hate Clinton for?


Kind of like the way you non Republicans all hate Bush?????? and are basically saying 'anything to get Bush out of office' - to quote MizSuz,
quote:

I'm saying I believe ANYBODY would be better than Dubya. This year it's more important to me to get Bush OUT than it is to 'vote my conscience.'


not knowing him personally, I cannot say that I hate Clinton, however, I hold NO respect for the man - or what he did to the office of the Presidency (and no, I am not talking about the Oval Office, I mean the role) - as M. Estring pointed out, he violated the oath of office - he SWORE to 'uphold and protect the constitution of the U.S. [the 'law']' and then broke the 'law' by commiting perjery to try and avoid personal responsibility/justice - and violation of the oath of office is an impeachable offense - yet he was defended in that "oh those lies are just about his personal life, they dont mean anything" , and yet are now trying to say Bush should be ousted 'because he lies' - (No emiticon for shaking head in despair so...) <sigh> Democrats, Libertarians, et.al.

for the record, I am not Republican - I am registered non partisan (i.e. Independant), but am much more of a 'conservative' than a 'liberal'

Apply usual caveats here

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RE: Is This True? - 7/11/2004 8:52:54 PM   
January


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ORIGINAL: Thanatosian

<--- feeling his point of discussions of politics fucking up relationships has been validated here on the boards very nicely, thank you all


Wrong again! I still adore you--even if you're totally (and completely) wrong about feminists.

January

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RE: Is This True? - 7/11/2004 9:32:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would agree that most people exploring BDSM have a conservative political view. I believe it takes a little free spirit to enjoy the kink. Barring the wacko-religious faction that is slowly poisoning the GOP, conservatives tend to be interested in individual freedom, freedom from rules that relegate us to groups, freedom from being hobbled by collectivism theory.

I will make a further prediction that the vast majority of people that actively include BDSN into their relationships are from higher education bases, upper income families. It is my experience that these people make up the majority of the BDSM population. The visual BDSM ‘community’ tend to be from a polar opposite. The ones that wear their kink on their sleeve are a small minority, but are just more interested in attracting attention for it.

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RE: Is This True? - 7/13/2004 4:27:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Not being an American, I don't fit any of your options. But then, I don't really pay enough attention to politics to know who's right and who's left, all I know is who I think is doing a good job and worth having in office.

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RE: Is This True? - 7/13/2004 4:49:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: kiki blue
Not being an American, I don't fit any of your options.


Me neither. The late Pierre Elliot Trudeau, former head of the Liberal party and prime minister of Canada for 16 years, declared in 1967 that the State has no place in the bedrooms of the Nation. He relaxed abortion and homosexuality laws at that time. Recently, another Liberal leader and prime minister of Canada, Jean Chrétien, decided to bring the same-sex marriage act into the House of Commons.

So in Canada, progression into the breaking down of sex laws has been pioneered mostly by the Liberal party and not the Conservatives. In fact, the Conservatives have voiced their opinion over and over again on their rigid views of family and heterosexuality.

That being said, I noticed that there was a part of the kink community that was very conservative, especially in the Mid-Western US and in Mid-Western Canada (where surprise! surprise! Conservative politics are in the lead!).

I'm getting the feeling that BDSM spans from 2 places (well probably more then 2 but permit me to generalise to make my point).

There are those who are into kink to cement the traditional values, and in this case I've noticed it is a very Male Dom / female sub dynamic (though I don’t believe all Male Dom/female sub relationships derive from this group). These are more likely to be conservatives.

There are those who are into kink to break down boundaries and simply explore sexuality to the fullest (which, if you haven't guesses already, is the group that I belong to). These are more likely to be libertarians.

Does this make any sense to anyone else?
- LA

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RE: Is This True? - 7/13/2004 10:17:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MizSuz


I'm a flaming liberal with some rather odd (for a flaming liberal) conservative ideas. I'm anti-gun control and pro-death penalty. <shrug> Go figgah.

For years I used to say the the dems wanted to spend all my money and the repubs wanted to legislate my morality. I can't see where that's changed much other than I am paying more taxes now than I ever have in my life (I'm also making more money now than I ever have).

I have long been irritated by our society's tendency to cling to the notion that there are really only two parties. In the past I have refused to buy into the notion that any vote is a 'throw away vote' if it's not for one of the two primary parties; although I will admit to having changed party affiliations in the past just so I could vote AGAINST someone in the primaries (I went republican simply to vote against Pat Robertson some years ago).

This year I'm voting for the person I believe can beat Bush. If I thought it was PeeWee Herman I'd vote for him (and be looking forward to a brighter future because of it). At the moment I happen to believe that will be John Kerry. I'm not saying I believe Kerry is the best man for the job, I'm saying I believe ANYBODY would be better than Dubya.

This year it's more important to me to get Bush OUT than it is to 'vote my conscience.'

Suz




Once again, it feels like Suz is reading my mind.

I used to say I was a moderate, because I am fiscally conservative and socially liberal. I want the freedom to do what I want, with the money I earn. I want others to be free to do what -they- want, with the money they earn. I want opportunities for people without money to make it, and I dont' want to give one damned dime to someone who doesn't wish to earn it.

Like it or not, we're in the world limelight. Other countries watch us like the lion at the zoo. When we fart, everyone sees it (something we do often, me thinks.) It happens in other countries - but we're pretty self absorbed (like the lion) and don't really notice it.

I want the government the hell out of my bedroom, the hell out of my wallet, and out paying policement, fire fighters, and making sure companies like Microsoft, AT&T, and Time Warner don't keep me from wanting to start my own software, telecom, or cable TV company.

I have to say the info on the liberatarian site seems pretty interesting....

Stephan

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RE: Is This True? - 7/13/2004 11:04:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Wide smile, Well I would come, but my only language, and it is shaky, is English. I wonder about all the people from other countries saying they would give up their soul to live in America. Puerta Rica would have been a choice except it keeps moving closer and closer to becoming our next state. Maybe we could buy an island, mmm oh wait, lol that was my dream last night, laughing. Tess

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RE: Is This True? - 7/13/2004 11:26:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		I avoid political (what's your position??) discussions like the flipping plague, because I really don't understand the definitions. I know I know, that is so sad and terrible. Here I am an educated woman and I'm like, "What does that mean?" I am "this" with modifications, and "that" with modifications, lol. I'm not on the fence about anything, and disagree with nearly every politician alive. Personally I believe they need to admit there's been a mistake, scrap the whole shabang and start this whole government thing over from scratch. I am not anti-government. I am not anti-american. I served in the Air Force during the Viet Nam war, served two tours in Viet Nam. As a Field Medic, and being very young, I never really felt the experience as a service "to" my country as much as a cooperative effort in survival "with" those who were serving the country we were representing, in a moment by moment situation.
In one situation, while serving my country , I had to hold a male between my legs with his back to me in order to hold a pack to his abdomen. His head rested between my breasts. His injury was critical. I murmured, "Don't you die on me, boy." several times on the way to the base. At one point, between labored breaths and barely above a whisper, he said, "Don't worry, Lady, I ain't dyin til I see them tits." He gave it his best shot, he lived another thirty years. lol
So what am I? I still don't know, but I thought I'd share that much with you. lol

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RE: Is This True? - 7/13/2004 11:33:51 AM   
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RE: Is This True? - 7/13/2004 11:35:22 AM   
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and found the following deliciously amusing and at the same time pathetically and woefully true:

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Bill Clinton is getting $12 million for his memoirs.
>
> Hillary got $8 million for hers.
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> That's $20 million for memories from two people, who for eight years,
repeatedly
> testified, under oath, that they couldn't remember anything.
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]

respectfully submitted,

lita {Tshai}

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RE: Is This True? - 7/13/2004 2:23:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		iwill has brought me up to the 21st century, and I am a Left-Liberal. As he was asking me those questions I believe if I had a little more confidence in the average citizen's ability to provide for themselves (and their families), for a lifetime, and plan, financially, for themselves (and their families) for a lifetime, to include all the necessities (health, education, food, shelter, etc), then I may be saying "Government intervention BE GONE!!!" But I don't. So I'm a Left-Liberal.

Oh, and re Bill and Hilary's books...that is hilarious!!!!

< Message edited by LadyBeckett -- 7/13/2004 2:24:56 PM >

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