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ORIGINAL: ghitaPVH

The Law draws the line at what ever is between a persons legs. They have to.

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave
Sounds like a soap opera to me.
Yes I know I am wicked, but Stella lives off the taxpayer and believes it is right that she should do so.
After all she is a playwrite
The US has a less conciliatory attitude to such members of the glitterati, I am happy to say,

seeksfemslave:
If she is a playwright then how is she being supported by the taxpayers and not the ticket buyers for her plays?
thompson

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave
Sounds like a soap opera to me.
Yes I know I am wicked, but Stella lives off the taxpayer and believes it is right that she should do so.
After all she is a playwrite
The US has a less conciliatory attitude to such members of the glitterati, I am happy to say,

seeksfemslave:
If she is a playwright then how is she being supported by the taxpayers and not the ticket buyers for her plays?
thompson

(1) Stella posted a few weeks ago that she was "off" to Poland where her literary/language skills could be expected to get more government support than was the case at  present in the UK
(2) In the UK most theatrical activity is subsidised to a large degree by the taxpayer. The higher up the social scale the appeal ie Ballet or Opera the greater the subsidy. It is therefore most unlikely  that Stella's efforts are free of tax support.

So you see my disdain  is directed towards non self supporting arty types not transexuals.
Would the military,police,fire protection,NASA,public supported schools etc. also fall into the "Non self supporting" sort that you do not approve of?


I dont suppose that being "arty" was why she was stopped but it has always been a requirement of temporary entry into the US that adequate means of personal support is  available. Again sensible IMO.
The OP states pretty clearly that Stella not only had money in her pocket but also food and lodging validated.

I do not know how a person presenting as a women but whose documents state male may be legally treated when attempting to enter the US.
The OP clearly states that Stella's documents describe her as female not male.


But in these troubled times I would think vigilance should be the order of the day.
I would agree with you, that when a country's government is taken over by a cabal of warmongering thugs, that indeed these are troubled times.

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ORIGINAL: Najakcharmer

Holy fuck.  This calls for a legal defense fund and a serious lawsuit.  

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MrT
Would the military,police,fire protection,NASA,public supported schools etc. also fall into the "Non self supporting" sort that you do not approve of?

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me then MrT
I do not know how a person presenting as a women but whose documents state male may be legally treated when attempting to enter the US.
The OP clearly states that Stella's documents describe her as female not male.

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave
My mistake, but it doesnt alter the basic problem, still one sex dressed as the other.
It seems to me that the right thing for Stella to have done would have been to find out what are the correct procedures for travel in to the US for someone in her transitional bodily state  and then abide by them.

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ORIGINAL: LadyDemonikaTS

Being TS we shouldn't have to just sit at home or only travel within our own country.  And we shouldn't have to do research worthy of a university thesis on the subject as well in order to travel to another one.

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent
I agree to a large extent; this isn't exactly an advert for human rights, but, in the current climate, it would have been useful to make an attempt to understand the possible consequences of landing at a US airport - 'not saying that it would have made any difference, mind you.

In a perfect world, man, woman and beast would be afforded freedom of expression, as opposed to non-members being ostracised; the reality is far from perfect. 

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

I don't know both sides of the story, so I have avoided making comments as this and Stella's thread have progressed.  I will say this; men undergoing sexual reassignment are placed in the men's part of detention centers for a reason.  The correctional staff does it to prevent lawsuits.  Stella has every right to call herself a woman, but she still has a penis.  If she had been housed with females, one of the females could have made rape or sexual misconduct allegations.  That happens a lot, whether you believe it or not.  Male police officers are usually required to take extra precautions when transporting female prisoners for that very reason.  No matter what your personal views are, men (including transexual men) are still physically stronger than women.  The staff at detention centers don't take chances.  I am sure Stella is a non-violent, perfectly nice person.  But detention staff don't have the luxury of making individual character assessments.  I don't doubt that Stella was subjected to snide remarks and prejudice because of her identity.  I think that is awful, and it shows unprofessionalism on the parts of the customs and law enforcement officials she dealt with.  I honestly don't think she has a case though, because they are not going to admit to this behavior.  It really is a matter of their word against hers.  It sucks, but that is the way it is.   

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ORIGINAL: LadyDemonikaTS

What could have been done is what the UK did with me.

Put me in a separate cell, alone, and be segregated at all times from the population.

It wasn't a big deal for the overworked guards at Colnbrook, so I don't think it would be for any US facility.

I had no problems with how the detention center (jail) staff treated me, and truly appreciated how they did.  It made me feel not just safe, but that I was being treated like a human, and with RESPECT.

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

Lady Demonika, that would be perfectly acceptable to me too.  The problem with that is that U.S. jails are incredibly overcrowded and underfunded.  They really don't have the space to do that.  Atlanta has a huge crime rate, and I guarantee you their jails are overcapacity as we speak.  Prisons do routinely put transgendered individuals into segregated, protective custody.  They have to, because transgendered people and gays are routine targets of other offenders.  But jails are not the same thing as prisons.  They are temporary holding facilities, and they don't have the resources here to seperate everyone.   

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In the US it is unlawful to put anyone transitioning in a cell with the general populace no matter if they are male or female. This is way a US law officer told me.