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RE: The real cost of terrorism. - 12/15/2007 7:51:16 PM   
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Fargle, lol, oh, we're in public? Ok, what am I wearing?
"Violent Felonies?"
Ok, just make believe I'm ...oh,.let's see...........an Illegal Alien!
You can't tell me you wouldn't want to see al qeada terrorists being torn to pieces and eaten by allegators!
You'd have to "KNOW" someone to get those tickets!


Torture, under US Law is a crime. You should be very careful in what venues you advocate the commission of violent felonies.




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RE: The real cost of terrorism. - 12/15/2007 8:06:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		I do not believe in torturing someone to extract information, torture is a practice used by despotic and desparate regimes and the west would do well to distance itself from it.

The west has always in the eyes of the rest of the world been a bastion of law and order, a place where people's rights are upheld and everyone has the right to a fair trial if accused.

Yet there are people being held without trial in GTMO and from all accounts, receiving some pretty harsh treatment and some say torture.Tell me, this is not how the west should be, we should not be stooping to the same levels as countries we criticise for their inhumane treatment of it's peoples.

You say they are spies, maybe they are and maybe they are not, they might even be people in the wrong place at the wrong time, but do you not think if there is evidence against them, that evidence should be tried in a court of law.



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RE: The real cost of terrorism. - 12/15/2007 10:56:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle


quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Fargle, lol, oh, we're in public? Ok, what am I wearing?
"Violent Felonies?"
Ok, just make believe I'm ...oh,.let's see...........an Illegal Alien!
You can't tell me you wouldn't want to see al qeada terrorists being torn to pieces and eaten by allegators!
You'd have to "KNOW" someone to get those tickets!


Torture, under US Law is a crime. You should be very careful in what venues you advocate the commission of violent felonies.





Oh? We're being just a little melodramatic, aren't we?

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RE: The real cost of terrorism. - 12/15/2007 11:15:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		18 US 373 reads, "(a) Whoever, with intent that another person engage in conduct constituting a felony that has as an element the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against property or against the person of another in violation of the laws of the United States, and under circumstances strongly corroborative of that intent, solicits, commands, induces, or otherwise endeavors to persuade such other person to engage in such conduct, shall be imprisoned not more than one-half the maximum term of imprisonment or (notwithstanding section 3571) fined not more than one-half of the maximum fine prescribed for the punishment of the crime solicited, or both; or if the crime solicited is punishable by life imprisonment or death, shall be imprisoned for not more than twenty years"

Now while I would agree that prosecution for this crime would be outside the reasonable bounds of Justice, but the Current Administration hasn't ever really been concerned with the Spirit of The Law, have they?

I'm sick and tired of people advocating Violent Felonies.



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RE: The real cost of terrorism. - 12/15/2007 11:21:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

I do not believe in torturing someone to extract information, torture is a practice used by despotic and desparate regimes and the west would do well to distance itself from it.

The west has always in the eyes of the rest of the world been a bastion of law and order, a place where people's rights are upheld and everyone has the right to a fair trial if accused.

Yet there are people being held without trial in GTMO and from all accounts, receiving some pretty harsh treatment and some say torture.Tell me, this is not how the west should be, we should not be stooping to the same levels as countries we criticise for their inhumane treatment of it's peoples.

You say they are spies, maybe they are and maybe they are not, they might even be people in the wrong place at the wrong time, but do you not think if there is evidence against them, that evidence should be tried in a court of law.




Aneiran, that's one of the problems we're inflicting on ourselves. (the west)
I mean do we really want to be seen as *a desirable place to live* by 5 Billion people?
That's why my ancesters named "Iceland" just that.
It was done to keep people away.
The "nicer" you are the more people will take advantage of you.
I'd prefer people in third and fourth world countries to hate us and not want anything to do with us.  I don't want them trying to get into the U.S. and suck off the taxpayers! We already have about 20 M illegal aliens here now who are draining us to the tune of $92B per year.
I play the "Ugly American" anytime I can!
"Go to China, pancakes grow on trees there!"
"I'm typing too slow because the Police here in the U.S. pulled my fingernails out with pliers." "They didn't like the color of my skin."
See, I do my part to keep the hoards at bay.
As for the people in GTMO, what "trials?"
We can execute them as spies at anytime and I hope Bush gives the order tommorrow morning. *Spies don't require trials.*
And, I don't know why the U.S. should be criticising foreign countries for how they treat people.
And then some get angry when they do it to us?
It's time that the U.S. started minding it's own business!
And again no, I don't want those savages in GTMO in my courts!
C'mon Aneiran, you can't tell me you wouldn't like to watch Bin Laden in a big pit with a 100 pound block chained to his neck trying to outrun a couple of 2,000 pound allegators who haven't been fed in two months!
That's something you could tell your grandchildren about!
"C'mon Bin Laden you pussey, stop crying and start runnin or that gator's going to chew you up!"

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RE: The real cost of terrorism. - 12/16/2007 4:40:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		you, Americans, are foolish. At the time you think that Osama is fighting alone, NO. He is supported by the politically correct people who, instead of denouncing terrorists, tend to believe that it was USA who caused the problem. He is also supported by the people living among you, with the same ideology, who jumped happily when the WTC was ruined, and lived with your support, your kindness, but never want to be faithful to USA, but to their ideology. Go figure!

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RE: The real cost of terrorism. - 12/16/2007 6:42:06 AM   
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you, Americans, are foolish. At the time you think that Osama is fighting alone, NO. He is supported by the politically correct people who, instead of denouncing terrorists, tend to believe that it was USA who caused the problem. He is also supported by the people living among you, with the same ideology, who jumped happily when the WTC was ruined, and lived with your support, your kindness, but never want to be faithful to USA, but to their ideology. Go figure!



Why be faithful to a Government which tortures prisoners in their custody, and doesn't haul the tortures in front of the court for adjudication of their crimes?





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RE: The real cost of terrorism. - 12/16/2007 7:15:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Popeye there is enough anger to go around. Yeah the hunt should still proceed, Bin Laden should be tried, and then when he is found guilty, he should be beheaded and his head placed at the Twin Towers memorial.


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

I see a lot of misdirected anger here.
Yes there's problems with the government but people need to remember that Bin Laden and al qeada caused all of this.
They're the ones that we really need to be angry with!
If I had a lot of assets like Warren Buffet say, I'd have assasination squads scouring Pakistan and Afganistan hunting them down.


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RE: The real cost of terrorism. - 12/16/2007 7:53:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Most countries of this world are made up of people from other countries, immigrants.Immigrants bring fresh blood lines and new ideas and sometimes immigrants come into a country and bring big business and contribute to a system perhaps more than the original inhabitants, so I can not see why all immigration should be stopped.

Britain, my country has been invaded by so many, either by acts of aggression, or the peaceful invasion, people coming here on the quiet, it has created a wonderful mix of people.The US is also a country that has 'suffered' immigration, some of my ancestors went there, both the Cornish and Irish side.By all accounts from what I can discover of my ancestors, they were just labourers, not tradesmen,except for the fact they new how to work be that on the land, in the factories etc.So, they went to the US for a better life and took jobs wherever they could find them and became American and no doubt their descendants live there now as Americans and proud to be so, contributing as others do, as you do.

The US is made up of immigrants, it owes it's whole existance to immigrants, is there any difference between those that came in the past and those that come now?

Is there anyone in the US that can say they are pure American, i.e. their ancestry is not that of another country?Perhaps the native Americans could say that, but then there is some suggestion that they too came from elsewhere, but not in recent history like the majority that call America home.

I say immigration is good, but the right kind of immigration.Perhaps now we are in a position to pick and choose whom we let in and keep out.I agree those with criminal pasts might be a problem and those intent on carrying on with criminal activities in their new home should be turned away and as for those that sneak into a country, well that is the responsibility of the border authorities, those charged with the job of securing borders.

As to the illusive bin laden, is he a person, persons, an ideal, a myth or a reason.Sightings like the mysterious yeti, that no-one can find, videos so poor in a technological age and an ever changing appearance.

My ancestry, from what I can gather, pure Heinz 57, Irish, Cornish, English,Scottish, Danish, Norwegian, French, German and even some originally from the Indo Iranian plateau.Is there anyone here who can say they are pure blood?

I still hold, those that stand accused have the right to a fair trial.


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RE: The real cost of terrorism. - 12/16/2007 7:53:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		"That's why my ancesters named "Iceland" just that.
It was done to keep people away.
The "nicer" you are the more people will take advantage of you.
I'd prefer people in third and fourth world countries to hate us and not want anything to do with us.  I don't want them trying to get into the U.S. and suck off the taxpayers! We already have about 20 M illegal aliens here now who are draining us to the tune of $92B per year.
I play the "Ugly American" anytime I can!"

Umm, people who come from Iceland have a different story about the name- but the jape we learned in school about the names of Greenland and Iceland being deliberately distorted by Erik the Red is incorrect.  I have friends from there.

If you're playing the "Ugly American" by being nasty to people who live outside the US, all you're showing is your lack of literacy.  The pretty American was the clean cut ivy leaguer who never learned the language or the customs of the people he was sent to "help", the ugly american didn't dress well, but tried to learn the language and solved problems.  Being called an "ugly American" should be a complement.  (OK, Popeye, in fairness to you, your usage of the term "ugly American" is more common than the accurate usage.)  I read that lousy book years ago.

So based on your citing incorrect examples to prove your point, I suspect that we can walk away with the idea that your advocating torture of individuals was given the same careful consideration.

Fargle- we've still got something left of freedom of speech- from my perspective, Popeye is free to rant as he pleases.  I don't think there's a crime involved until physical action occurs.  I certainly would be aghast if Popeye were to be prosecuted for his comments.  And since there is little evidence of planning (i..e I bought 3 acres in Myrtle Beach, SC on 25 Elm Street, and I'm building a pit and holding cells for terrorists- I could use some help), I think his ranting falls under hyperbole, rather than an actual call to action. 

Sam

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RE: The real cost of terrorism. - 12/16/2007 8:46:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Most countries of this world are made up of people from other countries, immigrants.Immigrants bring fresh blood lines and new ideas and sometimes immigrants come into a country and bring big business and contribute to a system perhaps more than the original inhabitants, so I can not see why all immigration should be stopped.


We have a flood of illegal immigration occurring and it needs to be stopped. The legal immigration can continue, as it always has. Our immigration laws do need revision though.

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Britain, my country has been invaded by so many, either by acts of aggression, or the peaceful invasion, people coming here on the quiet, it has created a wonderful mix of people.The US is also a country that has 'suffered' immigration, some of my ancestors went there, both the Cornish and Irish side.By all accounts from what I can discover of my ancestors, they were just labourers, not tradesmen,except for the fact they new how to work be that on the land, in the factories etc.So, they went to the US for a better life and took jobs wherever they could find them and became American and no doubt their descendants live there now as Americans and proud to be so, contributing as others do, as you do.


Some are proud, some are second or third generation, but still set themselves apart. The difference is those that come here and accept the principles, and those that wish to change it to more like their country of origin. this will always occur, but the point of expiration on Visas, is that you come here to become an American. Just like any country you decide to move to permanently.

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The US is made up of immigrants, it owes it's whole existance to immigrants, is there any difference between those that came in the past and those that come now?


The difference is in how it is handled. All countries that have had huge waves of immigrants come all at once, mixed with hard economic times, will breed resentment in those that already live there. this is why there are immigration laws and regulations in most countries.

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Is there anyone in the US that can say they are pure American, i.e. their ancestry is not that of another country?Perhaps the native Americans could say that, but then there is some suggestion that they too came from elsewhere, but not in recent history like the majority that call America home.


Most everyone comes from elsewhere, if you track their genealogy. This point you presented does not sway anyone, and usually clutter the discussion. Just my opinion of course.

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I say immigration is good, but the right kind of immigration.Perhaps now we are in a position to pick and choose whom we let in and keep out.I agree those with criminal pasts might be a problem and those intent on carrying on with criminal activities in their new home should be turned away and as for those that sneak into a country, well that is the responsibility of the border authorities, those charged with the job of securing borders.


To blanketly call anything good or bad, is wrong. It is how that thing is applied, and the results you gain, that make it good or bad. That is also the responsibility of those that unlawfully sneak into a country. They should be ejected, and I feel it should cause them to be lower priority for legal immigration. Instead the way things are here, if you sneak in, stay long enough, and do various things, you may be rewarded for your unlawful and unethical acts. That is the wrong message to send anyone. This is often what angers people here.

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As to the illusive bin laden, is he a person, persons, an ideal, a myth or a reason.Sightings like the mysterious yeti, that no-one can find, videos so poor in a technological age and an ever changing appearance.


definitely a person, the person is whom you hold accountable. Ideals can be discussed, and such, but actions breed consequence. Do not support the fringe ideas without some proof to what you allude to.

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My ancestry, from what I can gather, pure Heinz 57, Irish, Cornish, English,Scottish, Danish, Norwegian, French, German and even some originally from the Indo Iranian plateau.Is there anyone here who can say they are pure blood?

I still hold, those that stand accused have the right to a fair trial.



Now all that needs to be determined is what a fair trial is. I say that treaties we have entered into, with the international community already state what those are, and that the US either holds to it's word, or not. If new treaties need to be drafted, then you involve the international community to do so. If you do not wish to be involved with the international community, then you withdraw from all treaties that you do not plan on upholding, and withdraw all of the foreign aid as well.



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RE: The real cost of terrorism. - 12/16/2007 9:56:55 AM   
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General reply.

[sarcasm]

I understand, popeye1250, that you are more than willing to go around shooting people you suspect are Al Qaeda, and that you are willing to take a bullet if somebody else thinks you are Al Qaeda because you believe in the logic of shooting people on sight.

I further understand that the words in the US Bill of Rights, Constitution, and Declaration of Independance, are liberal twaddle and should not be considered the basic principles by which Democracy was instituted and practiced in the United States.

[/sarcasm]

farglebargle is correct, popeye1250, this is a public forum and you are advocating the commission of acts of felony and / or treason against the Government of the United States.

If you would find it helpful I can provide you with the criminal statutes which you are recommending people violate.

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RE: The real cost of terrorism. - 12/16/2007 10:38:11 AM   
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General reply.

[sarcasm]

I understand, popeye1250, that you are more than willing to go around shooting people you suspect are Al Qaeda, and that you are willing to take a bullet if somebody else thinks you are Al Qaeda because you believe in the logic of shooting people on sight.

I further understand that the words in the US Bill of Rights, Constitution, and Declaration of Independance, are liberal twaddle and should not be considered the basic principles by which Democracy was instituted and practiced in the United States.

[/sarcasm]

farglebargle is correct, popeye1250, this is a public forum and you are advocating the commission of acts of felony and / or treason against the Government of the United States.

If you would find it helpful I can provide you with the criminal statutes which you are recommending people violate.

Officer Barbradergy



Hey you guys, I need help digging my allegator pit to throw al qeada guys into with allegators without a trial.
Anyone know how to use a backhoe?
Yeah, I can see the FBI banging on my door now; "Hey, you the one who's building the allegator pit?"
"You can't go around THREATENING al qeada!"
"I'm not "THREATENING" them, I'm going to KIDNAP them and KILL them!"
"You guys need some "FREE TICKETS?"
"Hey, you don't bribe FBI Agents!"
"Sure you do!"

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RE: The real cost of terrorism. - 12/16/2007 10:55:38 AM   
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Most countries of this world are made up of people from other countries, immigrants.Immigrants bring fresh blood lines and new ideas and sometimes immigrants come into a country and bring big business and contribute to a system perhaps more than the original inhabitants, so I can not see why all immigration should be stopped.

Britain, my country has been invaded by so many, either by acts of aggression, or the peaceful invasion, people coming here on the quiet, it has created a wonderful mix of people.The US is also a country that has 'suffered' immigration, some of my ancestors went there, both the Cornish and Irish side.By all accounts from what I can discover of my ancestors, they were just labourers, not tradesmen,except for the fact they new how to work be that on the land, in the factories etc.So, they went to the US for a better life and took jobs wherever they could find them and became American and no doubt their descendants live there now as Americans and proud to be so, contributing as others do, as you do.

The US is made up of immigrants, it owes it's whole existance to immigrants, is there any difference between those that came in the past and those that come now?

Is there anyone in the US that can say they are pure American, i.e. their ancestry is not that of another country?Perhaps the native Americans could say that, but then there is some suggestion that they too came from elsewhere, but not in recent history like the majority that call America home.

I say immigration is good, but the right kind of immigration.Perhaps now we are in a position to pick and choose whom we let in and keep out.I agree those with criminal pasts might be a problem and those intent on carrying on with criminal activities in their new home should be turned away and as for those that sneak into a country, well that is the responsibility of the border authorities, those charged with the job of securing borders.

As to the illusive bin laden, is he a person, persons, an ideal, a myth or a reason.Sightings like the mysterious yeti, that no-one can find, videos so poor in a technological age and an ever changing appearance.

My ancestry, from what I can gather, pure Heinz 57, Irish, Cornish, English,Scottish, Danish, Norwegian, French, German and even some originally from the Indo Iranian plateau.Is there anyone here who can say they are pure blood?

I still hold, those that stand accused have the right to a fair trial.



Aneirin, all of your points were valid a hundred years ago.
The U.S. simply doesn't need 3 million people a year immigrating to this country anymore.
Or one to three million illegal aliens per year sneaking in. (The govt. doesn't even know the correct number!)
One thing is for sure, if we had 3 million lawyers a year comming to this country and billable hours rates went from $150 per hour down to $60 per hour you *know* there'd be *immediate* action in Washington to stop it!
The trial lawyers and the American Bar Association would be up in arms!
It's evidently "ok" when it happens to, "the great unwashed" though!
We simply don't "need" immigration just because some guy who owns 10 McDonalds' restaurants doesn't want to pay Americans a living wage. He needs to go out of business.
Immigration to any country is not a right. And sneaking into any country is illegal.
It's called "The American Dream" not the Mexican, Russian, or Chinese dream. I don't know what their "dreams" are but good luck to them.

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RE: The real cost of terrorism. - 12/16/2007 1:13:59 PM   
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So the real damage terrorists cause is suspicion, the fear they create through threats and occaisional terrorist actions erodes society.



'Was down the pub the other day. As per usual, after 10 minutes of chat, the conversation turned to "this country is fucked"........."really?, why's that, then"...."can't get any proper work done because Health & Safety and Insurance firms are all over me like a rash"..."yeah, 'see your point, couldn't be more fucked if Jonny Cash walked in with a giant dildo and set about knocking a few hips in straightaway; what's more, this notion of impeding the civil liberties of British citizens suspected of terrorism, is a joke"......"errrmm, actually, I agree with that, we should be rounding the fuckers up and hoying them out of the country".

There's the problem in a nutshell: individuals demanding liberty, but not willing to extend it to others.

In terms of terrorism, we've had one bombing carried out by 4 Englishmen: hardly grounds for fear. We all know how governments operate; yes, the government takes a share of the blame, but so do those people running 'round scared of their own shadow.

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RE: The real cost of terrorism. - 12/16/2007 1:26:57 PM   
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I feel sad because we lost and some people just don’t yet understand how.

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RE: The real cost of terrorism. - 12/16/2007 1:33:31 PM   
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In terms of terrorism, we've had one bombing carried out by 4 Englishmen: hardly grounds for fear. We all know how governments operate; yes, the government takes a share of the blame, but so do those people running 'round scared of
their own shadow.



AnencephalyBoy invaded Iraq as retribution for losing 5000 or so people when the planes took out the World Trade Center.  (RIP all who died there)

We have lost almost that many US soldiers since we invaded.

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/iraq/forces/casualties/

As of November, 11,000 US service people were injured.  10% of those have died since returning to the US and are not counted as casualties in that armed conflict.

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/351/24/2471

With the US military activities in both Iraq, Afghanistan, and to a lesser extent everywhere else we have soldiers, our military expenditures are averaging about 1 trillion ($1,000,000,000,000) dollars a year.

None of this takes into account how much the other countries are spending or will spend dealing with the Mess-O-Potamia.

As I mentioned earlier, the true cost of terrorism lies in people changing their lives, spending money they dont have, destroying relationships they should cherish and nurture, and living in fear, all because of some idiotic need to live a
life filled with terror.

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RE: The real cost of terrorism. - 12/16/2007 2:16:32 PM   
Griswold


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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Fargle, lol, oh, we're in public? Ok, what am I wearing?
"Violent Felonies?"
Ok, just make believe I'm ...oh,.let's see...........an Illegal Alien!
You can't tell me you wouldn't want to see al qeada terrorists being torn to pieces and eaten by allegators!
You'd have to "KNOW" someone to get those tickets!


Torture, under US Law is a crime. You should be very careful in what venues you advocate the commission of violent felonies.



Oh? We're being just a little melodramatic, aren't we?


Actually, no...he's not.

Something tells me that the folks who run this wonderful site, have not invested in encryption that runs 3 levels higher than McDonalds Corp's website., which means that your comments (most assuradly within minutes of your typing it, co-opted by the feds...who's kidding who, they look at anything with any possible permutation of spelling of Al Queda), and that effectively puts everyone who posts on this board as part of national security curiosity, ultimately making everyone here part of that interest.

Is it fair?  Nope.

Is it real?

Anyone that doesn't believe they're looking at any possible place for the bad guys to be talking...ain't thinking.

I doubt there are many people, here or elsewhere who don't share some of your views....but the way you make them in a public forum should be a little more thoughtful.

(Start thinking a little more Popeye).

< Message edited by Griswold -- 12/16/2007 2:17:53 PM >

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RE: The real cost of terrorism. - 12/16/2007 2:35:42 PM   
popeye1250


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ORIGINAL: Griswold

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Fargle, lol, oh, we're in public? Ok, what am I wearing?
"Violent Felonies?"
Ok, just make believe I'm ...oh,.let's see...........an Illegal Alien!
You can't tell me you wouldn't want to see al qeada terrorists being torn to pieces and eaten by allegators!
You'd have to "KNOW" someone to get those tickets!


Torture, under US Law is a crime. You should be very careful in what venues you advocate the commission of violent felonies.



Oh? We're being just a little melodramatic, aren't we?


Actually, no...he's not.

Something tells me that the folks who run this wonderful site, have not invested in encryption that runs 3 levels higher than McDonalds Corp's website., which means that your comments (most assuradly within minutes of your typing it, co-opted by the feds...who's kidding who, they look at anything with any possible permutation of spelling of Al Queda), and that effectively puts everyone who posts on this board as part of national security curiosity, ultimately making everyone here part of that interest.

Is it fair?  Nope.

Is it real?

Anyone that doesn't believe they're looking at any possible place for the bad guys to be talking...ain't thinking.

I doubt there are many people, here or elsewhere who don't share some of your views....but the way you make them in a public forum should be a little more thoughtful.

(Start thinking a little more Popeye).


Griswold, the FBI I'm sure knows who I am and where I live.
If they have a fuckin' "Problem" with what I say or the way I speak then let them come and have a chat.
"Hey Special Agent Smith, put that serial killer case on the back burner and get down to Myrtle Beach! We have a guy THREATENING al qeada !!! This could be a CIVIL RIGHTS case!" "This could make your CAREER!"
"Can you believe this guy? He's *DEMONISING* al qeada!!!"
"What a Bastard!"
I think it'd be funny as hell if they arrested me for "threatening al qeada!" ("I want a jury trial.") lol
Can you imagine the headlines in newspapers?
("Awwww, poor al qeada, they have "rights" too.")
And of course Hillary Clinton would have to jump on the bandwagon, "We can't have U.S. Citizens going around threatening Terrorists!" "It just isn't,....Cum-Bay-Ah-ish!"
I'm not a big fan of "thought control" or "political correctness" and will never be.
If you want to be anal-retentive go right ahead, that's just not my style.

Yeah, I'll be a little more "thoughtfull."
I'll give more DETAILS the next time!

< Message edited by popeye1250 -- 12/16/2007 2:45:43 PM >

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RE: The real cost of terrorism. - 12/16/2007 3:14:28 PM   
luckydog1


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Status: offline 		I do not ususally agree with Popeye on much, but this is a great line....

"One thing is for sure, if we had 3 million lawyers a year comming to this country and billable hours rates went from $150 per hour down to $60 per hour you *know* there'd be *immediate* action in Washington to stop it!
The trial lawyers and the American Bar Association would be up in arms!
It's evidently "ok" when it happens to, "the great unwashed" though! "


Simiar to an idea I had about the  Peer to Peer theft of Music/movies issue.  Music companies should start digitizing University Textbooks and offering them for free over the net, and watch how fast Academia will declare it to be moral wrong and the Universities put a stop to illegal downloading.

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