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RE: The real cost of terrorism. - 12/16/2007 3:30:15 PM   
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Popeye One thing is for sure, if we had 3 million lawyers a year coming to this country and billable hours rates went from $150 per hour down to $60 per hour you *know* there'd be *immediate* action in Washington to stop it!

Never has a truer post been made on CM boards. lol 

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RE: The real cost of terrorism. - 12/17/2007 8:38:09 AM   
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Popeye One thing is for sure, if we had 3 million lawyers a year coming to this country and billable hours rates went from $150 per hour down to $60 per hour you *know* there'd be *immediate* action in Washington to stop it!

Never has a truer post been made on CM boards. lol 



Thankyou Seeks, it's true though unfortunately.
The people and groups in Washington are looking out for their own interests not the interests of the nation.

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RE: The real cost of terrorism. - 12/17/2007 8:47:07 AM   
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Popeye One thing is for sure, if we had 3 million lawyers a year coming to this country and billable hours rates went from $150 per hour down to $60 per hour you *know* there'd be *immediate* action in Washington to stop it!

Never has a truer post been made on CM boards. lol 



Thankyou Seeks, it's true though unfortunately.
The people and groups in Washington are looking out for their own interests not the interests of the nation.


Sad fact is,there`s  quite a few law firms,huge ones,that import cheap labor to do clerical and and other legal grunt work,saving millions and millions.We get the down side,b/c businesses(not just the legal bus.) get make money and use our country to do business in,but the country doesn`t get the benefit of that employment.

And that`s all legal immigration,btw.


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RE: The real cost of terrorism. - 12/17/2007 10:14:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Owner, true, that's only one of the reasons that we need to get lawyers out of Washington.

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RE: The real cost of terrorism. - 12/17/2007 10:54:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		In Scotland, they have stopped and seached 14,000 people since July..... A big case of overkill if you ask me. I know the security forces need to keep people safe, yet they are using the anti terror laws for other means. I just wonder how much this has cost the tax payers here.

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RE: The real cost of terrorism. - 12/17/2007 11:09:52 AM   
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In Scotland, they have stopped and seached 14,000 people since July..... A big case of overkill if you ask me. I know the security forces need to keep people safe, yet they are using the anti terror laws for other means. I just wonder how much this has cost the tax payers here.



"keep people safe"...


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RE: The real cost of terrorism. - 12/17/2007 11:15:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		FB remember that there was a bomb attack in Glasgow just prior to this. The state has an obligation to keep people safe from terror, but to do it with as little impact as possible on civil liberties.

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RE: The real cost of terrorism. - 12/17/2007 11:39:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		"The state has an obligation to keep people safe from terror, but to do it with as little impact as possible on civil liberties."

I do forget that this is an international venue, and there are countries with different ground-rules..

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RE: The real cost of terrorism. - 12/17/2007 12:18:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		LOL FB....... No ground rules here in the UK. They make it up as they go along.

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RE: The real cost of terrorism. - 12/17/2007 2:10:14 PM   
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The state has an obligation to keep people safe from terror, but to do it with as little impact as possible on civil liberties.



Not at all; we're supposed to be a democracy.

They are not entitled to con the half wits into thinking we're all going to die unless they allow them to insert CCTV into their brains, in an attempt to generate a climate of fear.

Look at the evidence - 4 Englishmen involved in a bombing a few years ago - is this really a prerequisite for draconian measures such as detention without a trial for 28 days, and throwing suspected terrorists out of the country? 0.00000001% of the population have engaged in terrorism.

There are/were ground rules in England; some people just don't know their own history.

PS, your quote sounds like Machiavelli: the state has a right to deceive the population because the population don't always know what's in their best interests. The government doesn't have a right to act as judge and jury on these matters.

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RE: The real cost of terrorism. - 12/17/2007 2:21:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		NG  Your post sounds fine in theory. Tell me how you would keep the country free from terror attacks with no fear of loss of civil liberties. Its all very well you mentioning there has only been one successful attack. Take a guess at the reason for that.

History and ground rules dont work when faced with a new type of terror. I never said the state has a right for anything, i said it has an obligation, maybe you dont know the difference.

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RE: The real cost of terrorism. - 12/17/2007 2:31:47 PM   
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how you would keep the country free from terror attacks with no fear of loss of civil liberties.



I'd start by withdrawing our army from other peoples' countries; I'd finish by reminding myself that it has been a long time since I was hit in the face with a bomb.

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Take a guess at the reason for that.



You can rest assured that the very people who started this mess by waltzing into the Middle East, have bigger fish to fry than "keeping us safe".

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RE: The real cost of terrorism. - 12/17/2007 2:45:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		NG once again i agree with your post, but you still avoid the facts. There have been several terrorist attempts in the UK, only one was really successful, and im not counting any IRA attacks for the sake of our debate. The government have an obligation to keep the population safe.

You will see i have agreed they are abusing the current laws, such as at last years labour conference. It was a glib reply saying you havent been hit win the face with a bomb, maybe thats because you were lucky not enough to be in London on 7/7. Ive not been hit by a car travelling at 100 mph but i still respect the need for a speed limit.

I have previously said i dont agree with foreign policy, i dont agree with a lot of Labours policies, but since they got us in this miss they should at least keep us safe. It was only a stroke of luck that the guys who planned the attack on Glasgow didnt get a vehicle small enough to fit through the doors, or many more could have died.  

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RE: The real cost of terrorism. - 12/17/2007 3:01:21 PM   
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There have been several terrorist attempts in the UK



I'm not convinced.

They lied about WMDs, they have form for targetting innocent people - why would you believe them?

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The government have an obligation to keep the population safe.



Defence has been the mainstay of government since the year dot; that's not the issue. The issue is, what constitutes danger, and who acts as judge and jury in these matters.

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maybe thats because you were lucky not enough to be in London on 7/7.



No, that's because I'm one of the 59.99 million Britons who have never been hit in the face with a bomb.

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since they got us in this miss they should at least keep us safe.



There's a flaw in your reasoning. 

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RE: The real cost of terrorism. - 12/17/2007 3:25:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		So unless you get blown up, no need to worry, except then it will be too late for you. Do a poll as to what constitutes a danger to this country. 30 years ago i suspect most would have said Russia, now most will say terrorism.

You say you are not convinced. The attempts on Glasgow Airport looked real to me, so did the second attemts at bombing the tube. All the terrorists that have been jailed recently for planning to make bombs had due legal process. Do you see this all as flawed or contrived to fool us ?

You ask who acts as judge and jury as to what is a danger, parliament does, thats why we elected them. We also have the right to vote them out in the next election if not satisfied. Thats democracy.

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RE: The real cost of terrorism. - 12/17/2007 4:08:06 PM   
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In Scotland, they have stopped and seached 14,000 people since July..... A big case of overkill if you ask me. I know the security forces need to keep people safe, yet they are using the anti terror laws for other means. I just wonder how much this has cost the tax payers here.


Speaking of searching Scottish people.  I wear my kilt to the Lair one night.  Sitting and yacking with a bunch of people, and a Domme sitting next to me asks "what do you have under your kilt?" 

I reply "You are welcome to check" and go back to yacking.

She checks to see what I am wearing under my kilt.

At least the Scots are easy to search.

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