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Blue balls... - 12/16/2007 9:52:14 AM   
deeddlit


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Status: offline 		Is there any real danger in pro-longed orgasm control with a male?  I have heard that "blue balls" can be very painful but I do not know if that pain can result in real damage.

I cannot imagine that I would want to pro-long the denial for long as I love his orgasms as well but I do not have any idea how long is too long and I do NOT wish to damage him.

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RE: Blue balls... - 12/16/2007 9:57:53 AM   
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Is there any real danger in pro-longed orgasm control with a male?  I have heard that "blue balls" can be very painful but I do not know if that pain can result in real damage.

I cannot imagine that I would want to pro-long the denial for long as I love his orgasms as well but I do not have any idea how long is too long and I do NOT wish to damage him.

Thanks folks!!
Deeddlit


You have heard that "blue balls" can be very painful from a man, haven't you?  I have been told from a MALE doctor that blue balls causes no pain at all, it's just a guilt trip that men use on women to have sex or just in general get their nuts off.  Prolonged orgasm control will result in nothing but an extremely antsy and possibly turned-nasty submissive.

*Wanted to add that my males cousins and best friend (who is a guy) have all concurred  with my doctor's statement.*

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RE: Blue balls... - 12/16/2007 11:25:39 AM   
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.. but I do not have any idea how long is too long and I do NOT wish to damage him.

Thanks folks!!
Deeddlit





Long enough that he does anything he can think of to please you, and not so long that he gets snippy or desperate. --_^

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RE: Blue balls... - 12/16/2007 11:30:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: deeddlit
Is there any real danger in pro-longed orgasm control with a male?  I have heard that "blue balls" can be very painful but I do not know if that pain can result in real damage.

I cannot imagine that I would want to pro-long the denial for long as I love his orgasms as well but I do not have any idea how long is too long and I do NOT wish to damage him.


Here is a link that might help: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_balls

I have experienced the pain and discomfort described as blue balls. It does not occur every time I experience arousal without orgasm but it has occurred. Based on my experience, I do not think of it as something serious but have not had the condition for a prolonged duration. I have never used it as an argument to be given an orgasm but have sought remedy by taking the matter into my own hands ;-) If a man tries to use blue balls as a justification for sex, one can hand him a jar of vaseline, give him a thumbs up, wink, and say, I'm rootin for ya! I'm confident you will be good as new in, like, 9 seconds!

For advice for health related matters, I think it is best to ask someone who has expertise in health related fields. The responses otherwise had may or may not be reliable and it can be hard to distinguish between the two.

One other point that came to mind is likely moot because of what you say in the second paragraph but prolonged lack of orgasm has implication for prostate health. Here is a link: http://www.prostate-massage-and-health.com/prostate-orgasm.html

This site says:

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Prostate orgasm is supported in medical circles due to the studies that indicate: men who ejaculate ( by intercourse or masturbation) more than five times per week during their twenties, suffer from less prostate disorders such as BPH, inflammation of the prostate gland, and prostate cancer.


Yay! I have been good to my prostate! ;-)

Cheers,

Sea

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RE: Blue balls... - 12/16/2007 11:36:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		Exactly, submissiveAK!  In other words, if you don't pet him every now and then, it's difficult to keep him on the porch.  That's unless he likes extreme, long-term denial.

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RE: Blue balls... - 12/16/2007 12:06:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, it DOES ache--I don't care what any doctor says--but it's not dangerous.  Use him as you please.  He's yours.

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I have been told from a MALE doctor that blue balls causes no pain at all, it's just a guilt trip that men use on women to have sex or just in general get their nuts off.

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RE: Blue balls... - 12/16/2007 12:08:14 PM   
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RE: Blue balls... - 12/16/2007 12:11:35 PM   
MissLynette


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Status: offline 		Deeddlit,
 
Let me first caveat my response by stating that I am not a medical professional in any way, shape or form.
 
"Blue balls" is an excuse that is incredibly overused by men.  Unless your boy has certain medical conditions (and I'm no expert about that!) prolonged orgasm denial should only result in minor discomfort that is in line with the expectations of this lifestyle. Blue balls is a form of vasocongestion not unlike the sexual flush (ever see a sub's chest turn all red for seemingly no reason?) that many experience during a state of arousal and for the most part it is a short-term issue. Just as the sexual flush disappears after the scene, any discomfort associated with sexual denial begins to subside after the scene is over. This has been my experience with my husband and I have heard that using a vibrator on a boy's balls during and/or after the scene will quickly reduce any effects of blue balls. So my advice here would be to deny him as much as you want and, if you get complaints that you deem to be real, use a vibrator on his balls and leave it at that.
 
Moving from a pain perspective to a health perspective, the jury is still out regarding the health effects of long-term denial. I've read articles suggesting daily ejaculation reduces the risk of prostate cancer; I've read other articles suggesting no correlation between frequency of ejaculation and prostate cancer; I've read still more articles suggesting that release is only necessary in those with certain medical conditions. My personal opinion is that orgasm denial is at worst an educated risk that submissives/slaves take in order to partake in this lifestyle. Supposing men really do need to ejaculate daily (which is highly doubtful!), I would view it along the same lines as most any other behavior that could potentially have detrimental effects on an individual level (i.e. improper diet, drinking ).
 
I do think there is a great deal of hypocrisy among males regarding this point as well. One example would be that plenty of subs/slaves are active smokers and we know that smoking leads to cancer. Yet people continue to smoke, taking an educated risk to gain the pleasure associated with smoking.
 
Opinions aside, my practice is to allow release about every two to three weeks (my husband is in his late 40s).  
 
I hope my perspective helped!
 
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Lynette
 

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RE: Blue balls... - 12/16/2007 12:27:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MissLynette
Opinions aside, my practice is to allow release about every two to three weeks (my husband is in his late 40s).


I think your post raises a good question; how long is prolonged? I do not know the answer. I don't think a daily orgasm is required for prostate health. Once every two weeks seems reasonable to me. However, this statement is based on gut feel only and not on an informed source of information. I agree that effects on health by various things are seldom binary and occur as degrees of effect.

Cheers,

Sea

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RE: Blue balls... - 12/16/2007 12:54:59 PM   
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RE: Blue balls... - 12/16/2007 1:00:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		As a male, I believe and have read that blue balls is a lie told to someone in order to manipulate her into a desired behavior. If a man gets aroused enough without release, there are always wet dreams. Climaxes are merely end results. The trip is often more fun than the destination.

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RE: Blue balls... - 12/16/2007 1:23:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: deeddlit

Is there any real danger in pro-longed orgasm control with a male?  I have heard that "blue balls" can be very painful but I do not know if that pain can result in real damage.

I cannot imagine that I would want to pro-long the denial for long as I love his orgasms as well but I do not have any idea how long is too long and I do NOT wish to damage him.

Thanks folks!!
Deeddlit


"Bleu balls" is real, but hasn't been shown so far to cause any long-term damage to male functioning.  There is some very limited (due to lack of studies on it at all) indication that the same condition in females over time can cause a reduction in sexual functioning.

Now, complete and total lack of orgasm over extended time can cause a raise in some health risks for males.  Prostate milking counter-acts some of these, but not all.

But just the occasional tease and denial?  Nope, just the possibility of discomfort.

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RE: Blue balls... - 12/16/2007 2:49:13 PM   
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As a male, I believe and have read that blue balls is a lie told to someone in order to manipulate her into a desired behavior. If a man gets aroused enough without release, there are always wet dreams. Climaxes are merely end results. The trip is often more fun than the destination.


Well the challenge is that not everyone is built the same.  Some men can have it, some don't.  Some men you can tease for hours and hours after weeks of chastity, and they won't have any issues. 

For me personally, you can tease the hell out of me if I've come in the last few days with no ill effects.  However, if I've been chaste for more than 3-4 days, a good teasing session will just about cripple me.  Now I personally have very large balls... Tiny cock... (go figure).  So whatever way may anatomy is laid out, I do get blue balls in certian circumstances.  God knows I wish I didn't... (I'd get teased a lot more)

Anyway, what it boils down to is everyone is different.  But it can be a very real thing.  As mentioned the medical condition is called Vasocongestion.  It actually is annoying as can be for me, I would love to be teased extensively and be chaste for long periods of time, but after a while being chaste, it's borderline debilitating.  Not fun for a sub who is MAJOR into T&D and chastity. 

I've tried everything to relieve it once it sets in... Normally it will relieve itself about 90% after a night of sleep.  Oddly, I can sit around for the same amount of time awake and not have it get any better.  Ice pack does help a little bit, as does some ibuprofen.  I'm very hopeful at the recommendation of the vibrator.  Never tried that.  That would be GREAT if it works well. 

But a key point is it's surrounding arousal, not necessarily chastity.  I've gone over a month chaste before and can do so without experienceing blue balls.  But after the first week, if I were to do a hardcore T&D session, I would be in serious pain afterwards.  REAL blue balls is REALLY painful.  If you are questioning your sub's truthfulness try playing with his balls afterwards.  It would be unbearable.  There's no faking it when it's real.

I'm very frustrated with some of the flat responses that it's all bullshit.  I agree that many a man may have used it as an excuse, but it does indeed exist for some and is not a fictional concept.  All you have to do is do a little research and its well documented.




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RE: Blue balls... - 12/16/2007 2:57:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		The whole myth of "testosterone" poisoning and damage from blue balls is precisely that, a myth. I hope myth busters does a segment on this one... wait, maybe I don't. In most men, if denied orgasm for a prolonged period of time, he will experience wet dreams regardless of the ability to obtain an erection. I do know this from experience, although I wish I didn't. What a frustrating experience to have one's orgasms denied; and no, wet dreams don't feel good like you would think (not that they hurt). Additionally, there are biological mechanisms to degrade old sperm in the testes as well as to reduce production in times of little or no need.

Now, there are some important things to keep in mind about keeping a male in chaste. Without some form of regular stimulation to the penis, it often becomes leathery and loses a great deal of sensation. To prevent such a thing from happening, it is important to once or twice a week, tie your sub down, remove the chastity device and stroke him gently, allowing him to obtain a full erection. Do this on and off for an hour or so, and his penis will remain in good health. This may not be as much of an issue if your sub is obedient enough to refrain from masturbating himself without a chastity device in place.

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RE: Blue balls... - 12/16/2007 3:32:51 PM   
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The whole myth of "testosterone" poisoning and damage from blue balls is precisely that, a myth. I hope myth busters does a segment on this one... wait, maybe I don't. In most men, if denied orgasm for a prolonged period of time, he will experience wet dreams regardless of the ability to obtain an erection.


I think we are talking about different things here.

Testosterone poisoning refers to male stereotypical behavior and is not necessarily linked to blue balls.

Blue balls refers to discomfort or pain in the testicles due to sexual arousal without orgasm.

Long term orgasm denial without arousal does not in itself cause blue balls. With chastity or long-term orgasm denial, the point under discussion is prostate health. While wet dreams might occur, I am not convinced they occur reliably and concerns about prostate health can be dismissed--this idea does not appeal to my intuition for otherwise there would not be talk of prostate massage to maintain prostate health in medical communities.

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Without some form of regular stimulation to the penis, it often becomes leathery and loses a great deal of sensation. To prevent such a thing from happening, it is important to once or twice a week, tie your sub down, remove the chastity device and stroke him gently, allowing him to obtain a full erection. Do this on and off for an hour or so, and his penis will remain in good health. This may not be as much of an issue if your sub is obedient enough to refrain from masturbating himself without a chastity device in place.


It seems reasonable that not using the penis for extended periods of time may eventually lead to loss of sexual function. I did not know how long these periods can be, and what can be done to retain this function. I would not have expected the required frequency of stimulation to be once or twice a week, and I would not have expected that it should be done for an hour or so each time. Do you recall where you got this information and where those who want to know more can go?

Cheers,

Sea

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RE: Blue balls... - 12/16/2007 5:02:08 PM   
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Now, there are some important things to keep in mind about keeping a male in chaste. Without some form of regular stimulation to the penis, it often becomes leathery and loses a great deal of sensation. To prevent such a thing from happening, it is important to once or twice a week, tie your sub down, remove the chastity device and stroke him gently, allowing him to obtain a full erection. Do this on and off for an hour or so, and his penis will remain in good health. This may not be as much of an issue if your sub is obedient enough to refrain from masturbating himself without a chastity device in place.



I haven't found that my husband's penis turned leathery and lost sensation from denial, lol, but I could see why he would want to make that argument if it would translate into two or three hours of me stroking him! ;-)

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RE: Blue balls... - 12/16/2007 5:35:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have been given blue balls throughout my adult life... since the age of 14.  My balls still work just fine.  I wouldn't wory about it.  Instead, continue to concentrate on how you can please your Mistress.  If she wants you to have blue balls, you should have them.  Remember, you must have had some fun on the way to blue.

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RE: Blue balls... - 12/16/2007 6:44:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BondageSlaveMN
Without some form of regular stimulation to the penis, it often becomes leathery and loses a great deal of sensation. To prevent such a thing from happening, it is important to once or twice a week, tie your sub down, remove the chastity device and stroke him gently, allowing him to obtain a full erection. Do this on and off for an hour or so, and his penis will remain in good health. This may not be as much of an issue if your sub is obedient enough to refrain from masturbating himself without a chastity device in place.


It seems reasonable that not using the penis for extended periods of time may eventually lead to loss of sexual function. I did not know how long these periods can be, and what can be done to retain this function. I would not have expected the required frequency of stimulation to be once or twice a week, and I would not have expected that it should be done for an hour or so each time. Do you recall where you got this information and where those who want to know more can go?


Shaddup shaddup shaddup! The man sounds like he knows what he's talking about; that's good enough for me! '

There have been quite a few scientific articles in recent years about the importance of male orgasm to prostate health. Apparently, you can't leave that goop hanging around too long. AFAIK, there have been no studies done on the effects of repeated T&D vs. total neglect, and i wouldn't hold my breath waiting for one, personally. If you're interested enough in his orgasms to let him get off every couple of weeks, i can't imagine you'll take more than a few days off his lifespan.

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RE: Blue balls... - 12/16/2007 6:48:28 PM   
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RE: Blue balls... - 12/16/2007 7:26:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		I used to be a multiple a dayer.
I've eased off now, but over say, a week, of chastity, i suffered nothing.
I don't know if blue balls work in the short term, but i've never suffered anything like it.

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