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IronBear -> RE: OnlineSafety (8/19/2005 4:04:10 AM)

I guess we are thinking along the same lines there. very few know the lengths I have taken to protect members of my expended family in the past and yes taken vengence too.




bulletproof -> RE: OnlineSafety (8/19/2005 10:56:35 AM)


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ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet

When online, it never hurts to wear rubber gloves.


or polyurethane, for those with latex allergy/sensitivities.

[:D]




ragdoll -> RE: OnlineSafety (8/19/2005 12:55:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: pinkpleasures

Use a good firewall; or two. People are probably acquainted with the major providers....and many firewalls can be downloaded for free and used for brief periods of time. i suppose an enterprising person could keep up the free offers indefinately.



i just wanted to say that although the rest of your advice was good (though perhaps a little over vigilant) ... i wanted to caution people AGAINST using two Firewalls!!!

Running two Firewalls at once can be counterproductive as they can interfer with each other and thus give you far less protection then you think!

Use one good Firewall.......... Even using one "semi-good" Firewall can offer more protection then using "two" Firewalls at once.


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And just so you don't "get on me" for saying that your ideas are a little "over vigilant". i've been MORE than hacked online.

i had someone online (who i NEVER gave my phone number to or address - or last name) show up at my house. They showed up, completely uninvited and without warning at 10:30 PM at night... which was scary enough because i never have people banging on my front door at that time of night! And having a stranger do that was really creepy....

i told them to leave.... which they did... but they came BACK the next night... pleading (through the door) for me to open it.. they needed to talk to me... ~~ i told them i was going to call the police (i was really creeped out that someone would travel across country completely and totally univited and feel they had the right to just show up at my door).... ~ they left... the next morning i was nervous to leave the house, i did (to check the mail)... inside my mailbox were a bunch of daisies... and a card...~

Night three... he showed up... again.. this time i called the police right away (i had been resisting doing this because he hadn't been really - physically - threatening.. but i did want him to leave me alone! i didn't know how many nights this would have gone on). ~ it turned into a MUCH bigger headache, but at least the guy ended up back in his state... and has since left me alone.

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The point is. i "get" the internet can be unsafe... but i refuse to live in "total fear" of every single person (male or female) who is on this site (or any other site). Living your life in a state of "hyper-vigilance" can be not only exhausting... but you might miss out on all sorts of grand things because you are quivering in fear about every bump in the night, you know?


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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

the only thing that will guarantee--100%-- the safety of your personal information is for it NOT to be there. take all the precautions you want, there is still the chance that a hacker will get in, take personal information and/or leave a virus behind.

same thing with real life. the only thing that will guarantee you will not get abused or taken advantage of by another human being is for you to NOT be alive.


i agree....




IronBear -> RE: OnlineSafety (8/19/2005 8:12:02 PM)

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Living your life in a state of "hyper-vigilance" can be not only exhausting... but you might miss out on all sorts of grand things because you are quivering in fear about every bump in the night, you know?


Oh boy, that really had me laughing fit to bust a gut…… I can’t speak for any but myself. I do not nor ever have in the last 30 years lay in bed quivering with fear. Certainly if I hear unusual noises, and such things wake me even from deep sleep to a high degree of alertness, I go and investigate. Out of habit I carry a semi automatic 9mm pistol (full mag and one up the spout) loaded with glasser rounds, which explode on impact. That’s not fear just habit from a lifetime of being armed 24/7. As for missing out on things, I must confess I have no idea what you mean. If you refer to siting under a night sky and communing with nature, I do that regularly and I’m never alone, my Goddesses are always with me. Am I missing out on the party scene? If parties are not play parties I never go, I am not a party animal and do not relax in a room full of drunks. If its play parties, I don’t go anyway so I cannot think of a single thing I am missing out on. I do miss the smell of napalm in the mornings though.. Would that some one could bottle it .. <chuckles>

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Use a good firewall; or two. People are probably acquainted with the major providers....and many firewalls can be downloaded for free and used for brief periods of time. i suppose an enterprising person could keep up the free offers indefinately.


Softwear which is offered on trail can be down loaded to a disk and then loaded onto your computer. When the trial runns out, remove the program and reload it from the disk. It may not be ethical but it is done.




BlkTallFullfig -> RE: OnlineSafety (8/19/2005 8:35:31 PM)

Thanks everyone for the warnings.
I was wondering if anyone knows about this particular issue: When I chat with people and once in a while one of my online friends will send a "?warning" that I should send to everyone else on my list; after the first time (years ago) I've never done it again because someone told me that it is a way for the sender to track the recipient's moves online and to track with whom one is chatting; can anyone tell me weather this is true or false? M




Gauge -> RE: OnlineSafety (8/19/2005 9:54:29 PM)

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When I chat with people and once in a while one of my online friends will send a "?warning" that I should send to everyone else on my list; after the first time (years ago) I've never done it again because someone told me that it is a way for the sender to track the recipient's moves online and to track with whom one is chatting; can anyone tell me weather this is true or false? M


Unless the email has a file attached or some type of malicious HTML code there should be no way to track you through an email. Most of those supposed virus warnings and other nonsense are phony and are really just ways for Spammers to get email addresses.




slavedesires -> RE: OnlineSafety (8/20/2005 2:10:17 AM)

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Also go and google your telphone number. If your number is public, it will list your address as well as give a link to a map to get to your home. On the page that lists all this is an option to remove your listing.


OMG!!! *despair.
there i was in plain site for the world.

now to change that!

edited to add...now to test that within 48 hrs.

thank God for cell phones.....maybe i aught to google that?

edited to add....not found *sigh of relief




BlkTallFullfig -> RE: OnlineSafety (8/20/2005 3:07:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Gauge
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When I chat with people and once in a while one of my online friends will send a "?warning" that I should send to everyone else on my list; after the first time (years ago) I've never done it again because someone told me that it is a way for the sender to track the recipient's moves online and to track with whom one is chatting; can anyone tell me weather this is true or false? M

Unless the email has a file attached or some type of malicious HTML code there should be no way to track you through an email. Most of those supposed virus warnings and other nonsense
Thanks for the reply Gauge.
I'm talking about chat friends on yahoo though, not through email. I'm not terribly paranoid about everything that can go wrond, but I've always wondered if this was factual or not. M




StarAndRock -> RE: OnlineSafety (8/20/2005 4:49:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Veav

I also don't use Internet Explorer anymore, I use Opera; not only is it just plain better, with tabbed windows and no chance of crashing the OS, but with IE I have used all the precautions named above and still been infected with a virus for the crime of visiting the wrong website. I didn't download anything or accept any certificates, mind you. I just loaded the page. So I switched to Opera and I've never had another spot of trouble.



Agreed - IE is an absolute pain to use as a browser because of all the spyware and viruses that can be loaded onto your system. Opera is good. We use Firefox, and running Ad-Aware and Spybot now we get very, very few problems detected where with IE we had gotten hundreds.

Don't get paranoid but stay cautious and just be smart. I had a friend who had their account hacked because of a keylogger. Someone they had thought was a friend told them that someone had put their name up on a black list. She went to the site where this black list was and it was a Microsoft Excel file. The "list" was there but the keylogger was embedded into the Excel file (it's actually really easy to set up). Once it was on her system the hacker was able to see all of her keystrokes and got her login and password. Fortunately, she didn't do anything like online banking.




darkinshadows -> RE: OnlineSafety (8/20/2005 4:55:42 PM)

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thank God for cell phones.....maybe i aught to google that?


Hate to be the bearer of bad news - mobiles and cells can be hacked and virused.

Peace and Love




cmatrix4761 -> RE: OnlineSafety (8/20/2005 6:58:37 PM)

Alot of ppl don't realize this, but u can set the security levels of IE (especially in XP SP 2). I have everything disabled except file and font download. If there's an activeX component I need to run (like a flash movie or something along those lines), I temporarily turn it on. I used to get a nasty trojan about every 3 or 4 months that ended up requiring Windows reinstall (it kept morphing so I never knew how I would be infected each time), even with alot of security (Trend PC Cillin virus/trojan scanner & firewall with ad-watch professional).
Now that I've turned everything off, I've been virus and trojan free for nearly 6 months. Just a thought for you all. But pink is right, always have a virus scanner, regularly scan your entire hard drive; and, always have a firewall. I recommend also having an adware/malware scanner like Ad-Aware.


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ORIGINAL: OscarHargraves

Here's another one (maybe this should be a seperate thread). What can you do to insure your safety when you are going to meet someone for the first time?

I always tell Subs that I'm interviewing to have a safety call set-up. Leave all the relevenat information with a friend and tell that friend to call the cops if they don't hear from her by a certain time. I also invite them to bring a friend along if they wish. The best way is to meet in a public restaurant or coffee shop where the friend can wait at a table across the room while we talk.

Any other ideas?



By far, the best idea is certainly to have a friend along.

-- CM




cmatrix4761 -> RE: OnlineSafety (8/20/2005 7:02:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: IronBear


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ORIGINAL: ElektraUkM

Good idea to set up a suggestions thread, pinkpleasures.

Do you know if its possible for people to hack through MSN as well as Yahoo?

What do you think of this site for file transfers? http://www.yousendit.com/

~ Elektra


"Do you know if its possible for people to hack through MSN as well as Yahoo?" the short answer is YES. Some time ago when i was with MSN Gor we had a 14year old Girl calling herself "Surf-Kitten" who was trying to hack every Gorean Site till they were destroyed. I know a couple of CM members were there and may remember her. Anyway she was also stealing MSN Communities as well . I know of 7 people who she hacked, destroying their computers. Last I heard was that The FBI were looking for her on 18 hacking charges which if found guilty and the sentences served concurrently, she was facing half of her life in jail. So yes hackers can do dammage. The real geeks can do more damage than you can immaging especially if your computer holds your personal details, drivers licence and back details... It can be another method of ID Theft.



Heh, the more experienced [wiser?] ones give it up; prison time just isn't worth the thrill of hacking anymore.

-- CM




ragdoll -> RE: OnlineSafety (8/20/2005 7:08:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: IronBear

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Living your life in a state of "hyper-vigilance" can be not only exhausting... but you might miss out on all sorts of grand things because you are quivering in fear about every bump in the night, you know?


Oh boy, that really had me laughing fit to bust a gut…… I can’t speak for any but myself. I do not nor ever have in the last 30 years lay in bed quivering with fear. Certainly if I hear unusual noises, and such things wake me even from deep sleep to a high degree of alertness, I go and investigate. Out of habit I carry a semi automatic 9mm pistol (full mag and one up the spout) loaded with glasser rounds, which explode on impact. That’s not fear just habit from a lifetime of being armed 24/7. As for missing out on things, I must confess I have no idea what you mean. If you refer to siting under a night sky and communing with nature, I do that regularly and I’m never alone, my Goddesses are always with me. Am I missing out on the party scene? If parties are not play parties I never go, I am not a party animal and do not relax in a room full of drunks. If its play parties, I don’t go anyway so I cannot think of a single thing I am missing out on. I do miss the smell of napalm in the mornings though.. Would that some one could bottle it .. <chuckles>


Well ... my words were mostly directed towards anyone who really does ALL those "hyper-protective" "gotta keep my computer safe from hacker steps" every day.. A lot of those steps aren't necessary daily to be safe... and they are a little "over the top"..

Sort of like.. if every time went for a drive in your car you wrapped your car in bubble wrap.. then you wrapped yourself in bubble wrap... then you added a large bumper innertube around your car.. then you got in your car... cleared out every single loose object in your car (tissue boxes, sunglasses, a book - after all these things could be fatal if you got in a crash)... then... you seat beat yourself in after baracading yourself in pillows and putting on your helmet of course... and then.. you drive down the street only taking side roads that allow you to drive at under 10 miles per hour (after all a fatal car accident is not as likely to happen if you only drive on deserted streets and stay slow).

That's what i'm talking about when i say "hyper-vigilence". It's good to protect yourself.
It's good to be safe... but being "overly safe" (like parents that put their children practically in suits of armour before they let them go down the slide at the playground) can be hindering... it's also usually unnecessary.. and it can make you miss out on an awful lot of things...

Like ~~ if i let my experience of some random man online showing up at my real life house "scare" me forever.. i wouldn't even be here responding to you. Afterall.. you're a man... HECK you could be the same man who came to my house before.. or perhaps you're another man just like that.. and perhaps i should fret about it too much.............. well....... see?? if i let fear like that rule me.. i would miss out on all the cool conversations here on Collarme! i'd miss out on all the neat discussions. ~ i wouldn't have found out you know how ta' use a pistol. *heh* ~ ^_^

p.s. i try to get out in nature as often as possible.. which isn't as often as i should. Its lovely out there.. especially on cooler nights in the summer... it's fun to camp out right in the yard.. no tent, of course.. then i'd miss the sky. ~ i didn't do that this summer though...... last summer i did a lot!


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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

the only thing that will guarantee--100%-- the safety of your personal information is for it NOT to be there. take all the precautions you want, there is still the chance that a hacker will get in, take personal information and/or leave a virus behind.

same thing with real life. the only thing that will guarantee you will not get abused or taken advantage of by another human being is for you to NOT be alive.


i still agree with that.




NakedOnMyChain -> RE: OnlineSafety (8/21/2005 7:27:58 AM)

Good advice. In addition, if something seems off about someone, it probably is.




IronBear -> RE: OnlineSafety (8/21/2005 7:55:20 AM)

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p.s. i try to get out in nature as often as possible.. which isn't as often as i should. Its lovely out there.. especially on cooler nights in the summer... it's fun to camp out right in the yard.. no tent, of course.. then i'd miss the sky. ~ i didn't do that this summer though...... last summer i did a lot!


Thank you for the clarification ragdoll lass. Yes I love the outdoors and have spent many, many nights on a full moon on a lonely beach, watching the moon rise and just fealing the life about me... Not bad for fishing too....




pinkpleasures -> RE: OnlineSafety (8/21/2005 8:17:21 AM)

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Pink, you for example, have given enough personal information about yourself and your past history on these boards that anyone could locate you if they wanted to spend a half hour or hour or so to do it

stormsfate


Obviously i disagree, but i appreciate your concern.

pinkpleasures




pinkpleasures -> RE: OnlineSafety (8/21/2005 8:20:23 AM)

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sorry this slave has never been an online victim of evil.

MercnBeth


Obviously i think real life threatening people around you is a much more urgent situation....and i am so sorry you were abused, beth.....but lemme tell you, three months of feeling hunted by a hacker is no walk in the park.

pinkpleasures




pinkpleasures -> RE: OnlineSafety (8/21/2005 8:25:42 AM)

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But, yes, I've successfully stalked people before (per their request, I have fun friends!) and I've never resorted to being a mad hax0r. The only security exploit I used was google. Use common sense, ladies and gentlemen - the internet is a public bulletin board, and anyone can find what you've written if they have enough patience.

Veav


Not just your email either; what's on your c:drive can also be "hacked". Unfortunately, i had kept my legal work there, and so i had some fear for people who had given me permission to use them as references; for my legal clients; for my family and friends; etc. i notified people and tried to help them protect themselves but it was scarey.

pinkpleasures




pinkpleasures -> RE: OnlineSafety (8/21/2005 8:31:26 AM)

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Oh boy, that really had me laughing fit to bust a gut…… I can’t speak for any but myself. I do not nor ever have in the last 30 years lay in bed quivering with fear. Certainly if I hear unusual noises, and such things wake me even from deep sleep to a high degree of alertness, I go and investigate. Out of habit I carry a semi automatic 9mm pistol (full mag and one up the spout) loaded with glasser rounds, which explode on impact. That’s not fear just habit from a lifetime of being armed 24/7. As for missing out on things, I must confess I have no idea what you mean. If you refer to siting under a night sky and communing with nature, I do that regularly and I’m never alone, my Goddesses are always with me. Am I missing out on the party scene? If parties are not play parties I never go, I am not a party animal and do not relax in a room full of drunks. If its play parties, I don’t go anyway so I cannot think of a single thing I am missing out on. I do miss the smell of napalm in the mornings though.. Would that some one could bottle it .. <chuckles>

IronBear


Thank God for the 2nd Amendment..LOL.

pinkpleasures




pinkpleasures -> RE: OnlineSafety (8/21/2005 8:34:53 AM)

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Alot of ppl don't realize this, but u can set the security levels of IE (especially in XP SP 2).

cmatrix4761


How is this done, Sir?

pinkpleasures




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