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Paraffin and how to heat it. - 12/17/2007 6:58:18 AM

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Wax play is something I havent really had alot of experiance with, other than just lighting one of those glade candles next to my bed and having my ex pour out the melted wax with no reguard to how hot it was or anything. Anyway, someone just gave me a whole bunch of the parrafin wax bricks that you are supposed to heat up in those bath things for your feet and hands you can buy in the beauty section, they said it was really great for wax play and we'd like to try it, but I dont have one of the heater thingies. Can you just use a regular crock pot? Or does that get too hot. How about heating it up and pouring it into a candle mold with a wick and using it as an actual candle, or will it not work that way? Anyway, just wondering, cause right now I feel all useless sitting here with all this wax and no way to melt it. If I cant figure it out Im taking it to the next munch to give away to people who actually have the foot bath thingies.

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RE: Paraffin and how to heat it. - 12/17/2007 7:35:43 AM

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Back at work we used to melt it in a double pot with water in the bottom.
This was for mold making not dripping on anyone but should work as well.

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RE: Paraffin and how to heat it. - 12/17/2007 7:55:17 AM

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I would suggest the aforementioned double boiler where it will be a little easier to immediately change the temp if you want to melt and play the first time you try it--also good for testing what temperatures you would prefer the use the wax at. If you want to take some time and be patient with it, test how hot your crock pot makes it at the lowest setting. That will give you longer-lasting control over the temp that will last you thru an entire scene, but is also a bit restricted regarding quick changes in temp. A fondue pot may not be a bad set-up, but is essentially the same thing as a crockpot just with open flame--could add a little more depth to the scene as well, is a little more romantic/erotic than an electric crockpot (which is what the electric fondue pots are).

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RE: Paraffin and how to heat it. - 12/17/2007 10:55:12 AM

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Fast reply:

Here's a link for melting wax you might find helpful.

http://www.candletech.com/meltingwax/

You can get a nice double boiler from Bed, Bath, and Beyond or make one out of two pots from the thrift store. My suggestion is to go for the thrift store since it's cheaper and you won't have to worry about ruining expensive pots.

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RE: Paraffin and how to heat it. - 12/17/2007 11:01:31 AM

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quote:

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Wax play is something I havent really had alot of experiance with, other than just lighting one of those glade candles next to my bed and having my ex pour out the melted wax with no reguard to how hot it was or anything. Anyway, someone just gave me a whole bunch of the parrafin wax bricks that you are supposed to heat up in those bath things for your feet and hands you can buy in the beauty section, they said it was really great for wax play and we'd like to try it, but I dont have one of the heater thingies. Can you just use a regular crock pot? Or does that get too hot. How about heating it up and pouring it into a candle mold with a wick and using it as an actual candle, or will it not work that way? Anyway, just wondering, cause right now I feel all useless sitting here with all this wax and no way to melt it. If I cant figure it out Im taking it to the next munch to give away to people who actually have the foot bath thingies.

you can always dump it in say a coffee can (and when done just let it cool in there for next time, or pitch the fucking thing out, quick cleanup for that part)..sinking it in a larger pot of boiling water for your double boiler......may even go to the salvie balvie and mix and match some old pots.......the cleanup is kinda nasty so...you are gonna want dedicated shit.

If you wanna be really fuckin slick, from there you go to salvie balvie or goodie or whatever and get yourself hooked up with a fondue set...............stylin!!!!!!!

Ron

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RE: Paraffin and how to heat it. - 12/17/2007 11:26:47 AM

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I use a crock pot. If you don't want to mess up one you use for cooking, hit a thrift store. Unfortunately, there's usually only three settings on a standard crock pot: Off, Low and High. High gets the wax a bit too hot and if you leave it unattended, the wax can start smoking. Low is a better setting, but if your pot it fairly full, plan on allowing several hours for hte wax to melt completely.

I'm told electric fondue pots are better for melting paraffin for wax play because there's a wider range of settings than the "pretty hot" and "crazy hot" of a crock pot. I haven't tried one yet.

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RE: Paraffin and how to heat it. - 12/17/2007 11:48:02 AM

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thanks yall.

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RE: Paraffin and how to heat it. - 12/17/2007 12:26:48 PM

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Different waxes melt at different temperatures. The softer it is at room temp, the lower is the melt index (ie beeswax is softest and melts at a lower temp). The bricks (usually seen at hobby stores for candles making ) are OK but I do NOT recommend heating and "pouring" them on unless you like going for skin grafts!!! Parafin is hotter than wax!!!

Also, just use a coffee can as a double boiler...merely tweak the lip with pliers to make a pour spout. DO NOT DIRECT HEAT wax as it can raise temp too high to use and CAN BURST INTO FLAMES!!! If it begins to smoke it is WAY TOO HOT for skin!! Heat it and let is begin to "skin" on the top, stir. let it skin again..now it should be ready. Dip your finger in as a test for safety..too hot for your finger? is too hot for backs, nipples or genitals!! Keep some ice cubes around for dramatic contrast (one nipple iced, while the other is waxed)

Best approach is to buy a candle mold and a spool of wicks & make a few of your own candles. This way you can recycle all small used candles, candle bits, and scrap off your body and rework it.....this way you "know the wax" and avoid burns.

Have several candles going at the same time and use one as the others pool up around the wick. CAREFUL to start at a few feet off, say, your back, and lower to find the "right height" for dribbling the wax. Additives like fragrance do not affect the temp but colorants do. Candles are "messy" so put a wide towel under the subject otherwise your bed or carpet is a mess

Nothing fucks up an erotic event like burning the shit out of someone by mistake!.

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RE: Paraffin and how to heat it. - 12/17/2007 12:34:18 PM

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I had a tiny pot pourri heater... you put water and the pot pourri in it and it heats up to give off hours of scent, that worked really well. Now I use a small crock pot and use it on low or "keep warm" setting altho as Saskia said it does take a while to melt it.
I do like the thought of a fondue set tho, specially if it comes with those devilish forks.
I know someone who uses a coffee machine on warm, and pours it out of the carafe
I would make a couple of pillar ones in different colours, but that cos I like different colours and a lot of wax :)
have fun with it, ....dont give it away, altho Im sure some would love a slab, :)
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RE: Paraffin and how to heat it. - 12/17/2007 12:41:23 PM

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Yeah...........BTW great advice, just go get the block paraffin at the grocery store, dont use any colored shit........could burn you............

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RE: Paraffin and how to heat it. - 12/17/2007 1:31:08 PM

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beeswax actually has a higher melting temperature and is not recommended for wax play as I understand it.
Paraffin is the preferred wax for beginning wax-play.

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RE: Paraffin and how to heat it. - 12/17/2007 2:11:46 PM

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We use a mini crock pot. If you turn it on about 6 hours before play, it works great, but not so great for spontaneous play. Break the wax up into chunks so it will melt faster, and stir it about every hour or so. We also have used those inexpensive plastic drop cloths to protect the carpet/furniture.

Edited to add that we use Parafain wax.

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RE: Paraffin and how to heat it. - 12/17/2007 2:16:44 PM

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I know LA has a great essay on wax play
http://www.collarchat.com/m_1415873/mpage_1/key_Candle%252Cwax/tm.htm#1416233
there is also this from John Warren
http://www.lovingdominant.org/wax.html
I burned myself to the point of blistering with a beeswax candle, definitely not a good owie.
Lucy
edited to add, I use picnic table cloths or shower curtains from the dollar store for under the body, just use abuse and reuse or throw away:)

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RE: Paraffin and how to heat it. - 12/17/2007 2:21:51 PM

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My favorite thing ever to do with wax in crock pots is to dip feathers in, then spread the melted wax with them. It feels like hot silk.

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RE: Paraffin and how to heat it. - 12/19/2007 7:06:57 AM

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More details to make sure no one gets burned...be aware that even double boilers can heat up to 250°F or higher ( combustion at 300°F)- don't let some idiot ruin your day!

Paraffin wax, which is a by-product of crude oil, is one of the most popular types of wax used for candle making. There are various grades of paraffin, and they are separated according to their melting points. Bet choice for skin is low melt point!

Paraffin labeled as having a low melting point melts at a lower temperature compared to other types of paraffin. It can melt at or below a temperature of 130 degrees Fahrenheit. This grade of paraffin is very soft and is suitable for making candles in containers. Because it is so soft, it is not recommended for the creation of molded or carved candles.

Medium melting point paraffin changes from a liquid to a solid when it reaches a temperature ranging anywhere from 130 to 145 degrees Fahrenheit. This type of wax is also too soft for making molded or carved candles, so it should be used only when making poured candles.

Paraffin that melts when it reaches a temperature of 145 to 150 degrees is considered high melting point paraffin. The harder wax is suitable for carved and molded candles, and it has a longer burning time compared to softer grades of paraffin.

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RE: Paraffin and how to heat it. - 12/19/2007 2:27:37 PM

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I luuuurve wax play but never really realised how much more there was to it!!!

Just used candles and thats it. Its moments like this when I start to think I am boring!!!

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RE: Paraffin and how to heat it. - 12/20/2007 4:42:28 PM

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If you're using a crock pot, turn it off when the parafin is about two thirds melted and let carry over do the rest. And if it doesn't quite all melt, and you've got two or three pounds in there, is it really going to matter?

Mix about an ounce and a have of baby oil per pound of paraffin and it won't quite harden completely when it cools. Doesn't pull hair off that way. Assuming you're not doing this for hair removal, of course.

Melting points of various waxes and paraffin

from _Handbook_of_Chemistry_and_Physics_63rd_ed._ 
(ºF conversion by me) 
                             Melting         Melting 
                             Point. ºC       Point. ºF 
Bamboo leaf                     79 to 80        174.2 to 176.0 
Bayberry (myrtle)               46.7 to 48.8    116.1 to 119.8 
Besswax, crude                  62 to 66        143.6 to 150.8 
Beeswax, white, U.S.P.          61 to 69        141.8 to 156.2 
Beeswax, yellow                 62 to 65        143.6 to 149.0 
Candelilla, refined             67 to 69        152.6 to 156.2 
Cape berry                      40.5 to 45.0    104.9 to 113.0 
Carand                          79.7 to 84.5    175.5 to 184.1 
Carandá                         83 to 86        181.4 to 186.8 
Castor oil, hydrogenated        83 to 88        181.4 to 190.4 
Chinese insect                  81.5 to 84.0    178.7 to 183.2 
Cotton                          68 to 71        154.4 to 159.8 
Cranberry                       207 to 218      404.6 to 424.4 highest 
Douglas-fir bark                59.0 to 72.8    138.2 to 163.0 
Esparto                         67.5 to 78.1    153.5 to 172.6 
Flax                            61.5 to 69.8    142.7 to 157.6 
Ghedda, E. Indian beeswax       60.5 to 66.4    140.9 to 151.5 
Indian corn                     80 to 81        176.0 to 177.8 
Japan wax                       48 to 53        118.4 to 127.4 
Jojoba                          11.2 to 11.8     52.2 to  53.2 lowest 
Madagascar                      88              190.4 
Midroxystalline, amber            64 to 91        147.2 to 195.8 
Microcrystalline, white         71 to 89        159.8 to 192.2 
Montan, crude                   76 to 86        168.8 to 186.8 
Montan, refined                 77 to 84        170.6 to 183.2 
Orange peel                     44.0 to 46.5    111.2 to 115.7 
Ouricury, refined               79.0 to 83.8    174.2 to 182.8 
Ozocerite, refined              74.4 to 75.0    165.9 to 167.0 
Palm                            74 to 86        165.2 to 186.8 
Paraffin, American              49 to 63        120.2 to 145.4 
Peat wax, natural               73 to 76        163.4 to 168.8 
Rice bran, refined              75.3 to 79.9    167.5 to 175.8 
Shellac wax                     79 to 82        174.2 to 179.6 
Sisal hemp                      74 to 81        165.2 to 177.8 
Sorghum grain                   77 to 82        170.6 to 179.6 
Spanish moss                    79 to 80        174.2 to 176 
Spermaceti                      42 to 50        107.6 to 122 
Sugarcane, crude                52 to 67        125.6 to 152.6 
Sugarcane, double-refined       77 to 82        170.6 to 179.6 
Wool wax, refined               36 to 43         96.8 to 109.4

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RE: Paraffin and how to heat it. - 1/2/2008 4:48:13 PM

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Just went to a seminar in this- and the crock pot is absolutely reccomended. Or if you can find one at a thrift store an electric frying pan is good too, they have exact temperature settings. The type of parrafin you have is low melt and designed for skin, you can stick your hand or foot in the pot at a spa.
Different waxes do have different melting points- never use beeswax, never use red or black candles, too hot. A double boiler is asking for a fire; I've done a lot of wax melting as a fine artist and you need to be focused on a double boiler, not playtime. A low temp enclosed element type appliance is appropriate for this, and you can take it to where you want it and plug it in versus being a slave to the stove.
If you want red wax you can get red religious candles and throw them in the parrafin- the temperature won't be affected but the wax will be red.
Also- if it's just a bit too hot use a dipper of some sort and the temp drops between the pot and the skin.

The blocks of stuff at the grocery store are fine in a crock pot; you need to check out your particular pot, though, see if the low setting melts the wax before you try the high one. And the pot is dedicated once you make a waxy mess...

Ask around at munch and see if somebody has a pot to lend for a weekend. The kind of wax you have doesn't need oil, but the Gulf brand does- OR you can get oiled up before the wax! Yummy! Baby oil, mineral oil, get all slick and get lots of wax... There is a wax ritual that involves building up many layers to a deep thickness all over a sub, very interesting for all.

Have fun!

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RE: Paraffin and how to heat it. - 1/2/2008 10:03:31 PM

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At one point I used a fondue pot to melt the wax and applied it with a paint brush on the missus. Boy did she squeal! I pretty much had her in a full body cast of wax by the time it was done. (Tested it on myself first to make sure it wasn't too hot, of course). The only caveat is that it is a potential fire hazard, since wax is way more flammable than cheese, but it's great for display purposes. Just keep an extinguisher handy.

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