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learning to live as D/s couple - 12/17/2007 8:10:52 AM   
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I am a DOM ..only 2 yrs. now. My sub and I have recentlly moved in together. She ia collared! She gives me a hard thing bout alot of things. Her reply is our agreement not to let her loose her identitty.So i am stuck betwwen ..am i a her DOM or just the b/f?? I could use some counselling here!! She has me very confused in lifestyle!!
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RE: learning to live as D/s couple - 12/17/2007 8:40:07 AM   
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Dear pottscpl, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
I don't know if I should be happy for you or sad for you frankly.  It is not often someone with two years into the 'scene' collars a slave/submissive and joins to make a Master-slave household.
 
My questions would have to be:
1.  Have you both made written negotiations, to where they are written so memory alone is not depended upon?  Within negotiations you would have (I hope) written down all the boundaries of the relationship, responsibilities and expectations as well and--the basic rules to maintain the Dominant and submissive role throughout this relationship.
 
2.  How are your communicating skills?  Handling disagreements requires 'listening' as well as 'comprehending.'  If you do not understand what your submissive is saying, ask her to tell it in a manner that you can understand.  Using examples and or something you can relate to is very helpful in understanding one another. 
 
3.  Her identity is what she believes that identity is.  Sometimes people see a glass that looks the same but to her, the glass is half empty--to you it is half filled.  Both might be right/correct but, it is how 'we' see things that needs to be understood.  How does she 'see' her identity?  Is she a quiet obedient servant or, is she telling you how to behave as her Dominant because she has more experience or--is it because she is molding you/changing you to what she perceives what a Dominant should be--to her?  What is your identity?  What do you believe a dominant man to be?  What kind of leadership role will you adopt as your own?
 
4.  In any relationship--with or without the elements of Master-slave/Dominant-submissive; requires a lot of patience as well as communication and, a lot of compromises but--not the compromises that changes who you are drasticly and loose your own identity and personality in a bad way.  Because you are joining two independent people into one common area; this is where the Dominant should have, long before merging as two individuals--what expectations lay ahead.  What plans do you have and other plans to fall back on if others fail?   You need to be able to see something isn't working and willing to try something else.
 
5.  Are there any BDSM support and education groups around you, as to go there and mingle and learn from?  If not--do consider looking into conventions and or Master-slave training academies which may focus on the relationship and not just how to flog and cane.  The main thing is, not to give up on yourself and she give up on herself.  It is frustrating blending two independent people into one 'family' unit.  Find out what would make her insecure as well as secure, be firm with your convictions if very fair and judicious--wait if you must before you make a final decision so that you have weeded in your mind of all the 'what if's' and circumstances you both are dealing with.  Exhaust alll the ideas you have.  Problem solve each issue.  Sometimes it doesn't matter if its because you are Dominant and she a submissive--make the decision because it is right and or fair.
 
Just some thoughts.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs

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RE: learning to live as D/s couple - 12/17/2007 8:51:16 AM   
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pottscpl,
Don't let the vanilla Icon mislead you, I have been living this lifestyle for 12 years. My advice is to take LadyHugs advice.She has put a lot of both thought and experience into 1 little response. LISTEN! think,communicate, then act on what she has said. I wish I had been given such good advice when I was relatively new.

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RE: learning to live as D/s couple - 12/17/2007 9:10:20 AM   
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Hi pottscpl

When your collared sub talks about losing her identity you have to find out what identity does she talk about?
She might know what her identity is for the moment, but where does she want to go? What identity is she heading towards? Does she want to keep her present identity and still grow as a sub  - or does she want to develop and grow as a sub?
When you grow and become better and more experienced you also change your identity. We all do.
No one is the same person after years of training and development. We all gain a new and higher identity. But we are the same person!
I think your sub is afraid of being degraded into someone (something) she does not want to. Maybe due to reading about subs being turned into “a thing”, someone without any will or self-confidence.
This is fantasy readings… or dreams.
Make her understand that a sub will grow and become even more “a person”… but a person with another and higher image – and identity.

Scandic Master

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RE: learning to live as D/s couple - 12/17/2007 9:17:02 AM   
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HI,
Lady Hugs has great advice. I agree with her completely, and will add a few things.

I've been married to my Master for almost 10 years, we've been together for 11. Our D/s relationship has run hot to lukewarm, probably the only reason being that I had some medical problems, and I am also the type of woman where my sex drive is either turned on full blast or totally shut down. We have come to realize now that Master has to USE IT OR LOSE IT. Now he's using it, and I am a lucky little slave. With that said, I'll add a few bits of advice:

1) With responsibility comes accountability. When Master has me bound and gagged, he's accountable for my well being. Carried into our everyday lives, Master has the final say on all decisions. Once again, responsibility comes with accountability. I trust him, and he has earned that trust throughout the years. Each time he proves to me that he is man enough to take care of me and the family, I surrender a little more control.

2) Don't let the sun set on your anger. Resolve all problems and don't let them fester. I cannot submit to his authority with resentment in my heart. Don't be afraid to admit when you are wrong- a man who can admit to fault sets a powerful example for his woman. A man who will instantly forgive a woman and not hold a grudge is a man that can wield a riding crop 10 minutes later and know she will scamper to his feet.

Good Luck



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RE: learning to live as D/s couple - 12/17/2007 10:52:27 AM   
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show her the lash.when she  talk back to you give her the lash..also take stuff off her like  util she obey

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RE: learning to live as D/s couple - 12/17/2007 11:14:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: whipingherfeet

show her the lash.when she  talk back to you give her the lash..also take stuff off her like  util she obey
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Brilliant......................................................

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RE: learning to live as D/s couple - 12/17/2007 11:44:49 AM   
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thank you. also he could ban  what type of foot wear  she wears .kept her in 6 inch heels   util he obeys

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RE: learning to live as D/s couple - 12/17/2007 11:46:49 AM   
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thank you. also he could ban  what type of foot wear  she wears .kept her in 6 inch heels   util he obeys


Look up the definition of sarcasm, hon.

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RE: learning to live as D/s couple - 12/17/2007 11:59:22 AM   
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i feel sorry for who owns you

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RE: learning to live as D/s couple - 12/17/2007 12:06:04 PM   
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LMAO.!!!!!!!!!...red?.....this will be cripple picking.........no sport here

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RE: learning to live as D/s couple - 12/17/2007 12:07:40 PM   
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thank you. also he could ban  what type of foot wear  she wears .kept her in 6 inch heels   util he obeys


Thia is what happens when parents leave the..'puter on

Jeff

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RE: learning to live as D/s couple - 12/17/2007 12:07:58 PM   
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quote:

whipingherfeet


Should've chosen the name:  whippingherfeet


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RE: learning to live as D/s couple - 12/17/2007 12:08:30 PM   
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Jefff, LOL I hear you, dude, it would be like stomping on a kitty cat. Meow!

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RE: learning to live as D/s couple - 12/17/2007 12:10:06 PM   
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i feel sorry for who owns you


awwww really? and here I was hoping that YOU could come here and wipe my feet, preferably with your tongue.

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RE: learning to live as D/s couple - 12/17/2007 12:12:35 PM   
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i be happy to come over and give your feet  a good  whiping

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RE: learning to live as D/s couple - 12/17/2007 12:12:38 PM   
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to the OP.the first 4 posts were pretty good.....it might get ugly for a while, and then return  to  pertty good.....:)

Jeff

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RE: learning to live as D/s couple - 12/17/2007 12:14:29 PM   
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sorry OP, we get carried away with the quips in collarme land!

I hope you get it sorted out!

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RE: learning to live as D/s couple - 12/17/2007 12:15:38 PM   
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i be happy to come over and give your feet  a good  whiping


no thanks. my hard limits are bad spelling.

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RE: learning to live as D/s couple - 12/17/2007 12:18:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pottscpl
I am a DOM ..only 2 yrs. now. My sub and I have recentlly moved in together. She ia collared! She gives me a hard thing bout alot of things. Her reply is our agreement not to let her loose her identitty.So i am stuck betwwen ..am i a her DOM or just the b/f?? I could use some counselling here!! She has me very confused in lifestyle!!


potts,

Perhaps you can draw some relevance from my initial entry into the wild and wacky world of BDSM interaction with a partner. Back in the dark ages when I was in college and the 'internet' was a glimmer in Al Gore's eye, finding a person who had the similar interests was difficult. Fortunately, I attended a Catholic University, so there were plenty of repressed and guilt racked young woman on campus in need of  'penance' for their 'sinful thought' that I could exploit - whoops! - I meant enjoy.

I found out early that the easiest method was to be 'reciprocal'. I refer to it as my 'switch' era. We'd come back to either her room or mine and I'd let her "do me" then I'd "do her". They would always want to go first. It was GREAT! The "do me" would mean I would lay spread eagle on the bed as she tied me to the steel bed posts. Then she would tease and 'torture' me, usually ending up with her straddling me while I 'submissively' laid back and let her "do me".

BTW - Old college dorm bed frames were very "lifestyle" friendly. 

When it was my turn, I may have, in 'Emeril Lugosi' fashion, "BAM! - took it up a notch!", and used some clips, or had a different position in mind to use the ropes, oh, and I just happened to have some 'toys' on hand. But ultimately it was the same process and led to the same "do me" directed to her 'submission'. I lacked the skill and, more on point, the confidence, to try anything that I didn't first disclose and get "permission" to try. I learned a lot during this time. I developed some practical skills and gained an elementary understanding of the the emotional and mental aspects of what now is referred to as the 'lifestyle'. Eventually it led to me building up the confidence and courage to walk up the dark, foreboding stairs of the Hellfire club in NYC; where I undertook my 'graduate' studies.

It seems that's where you are in your relationship. It doesn't matter what she or you are wearing around your neck or any other part of you. The "identity" she seems to hold dear is as the person in control. Your lifestyle related encounters are her saying "do me". The things she gives you are "hard time" about seem to be pointing to those things that fall outside of her relationship parameter under the heading of "do me".

This is another reason why titles are so irrelevant from third party perspective. You may enjoy the title of Dominant or Master, but it doesn't seem to reflect your dynamic. You wouldn't be asking your question if you were confident in your dominance or her submission. That said, if you enjoy being the facilitator of 'doing' her within her limits and parameters there isn't anything wrong with continuing the practice.

It is your choice whether to live under her rules. Consider that she too must also get some satisfaction referring to you as her Dom under the conditions you outline. No one here should try and tell you that you aren't "lifestyle" because you serve and honor her boundaries concerning what constitutes a Dominant/submissive relationship outside of consideration to which end of the flogger brings you pleasure.

She's decided what does and doesn't fall into the construct you've formed. If it suits you - enjoy! It is your choice to live with it or dictate a change, enforcing your requirements, under your terms. Of course, she gets the final decision there too. Therein lies the obvious solution. You see, ultimately both parties "serve". The "do me" is replaced by living pointed to "do us". You and you partner seem not to have agreed upon the responsibilities under your personal definition of "us".

Start there instead of asking outsiders what to do. Independently go through the exercise of defining "us". If the result is you have sufficient goals in common - live together with focus on those goals. On the other hand, if the majority of what you have in common is focused on end of the flogger preferred - you can enjoy that too and no longer be concerned with trying to do more. 

Good luck!

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