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RE: What attracts you...? - 12/18/2007 3:38:20 AM   
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My focus right now is submissive men, so if I meet someone that displays thoses tendencies Im more attracted.   The cocky men I use to like are an immediate turn-off.

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RE: What attracts you...? - 12/18/2007 4:29:17 AM   
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If a person had a Dominate personality in vanilla life he would be considered an asshole.

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RE: What attracts you...? - 12/18/2007 5:20:57 AM   
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Dnomyar - not necessarily.  There are all kinds of vanilla labels for dominant people.  I mean, how many times have you heard:  "Oh, s/he's a Type-A person."  or "S/He's a real go-getter!"  There are a lot of different ways to describe dominance - and the majority of them in the vanilla world aren't necessarily synonymous with "asshole."

That being said, to the OP:  Yes, and no.  I'm very OCD, and I have a tendency to compartmentalize everything.  I have rules all over the place, and they differ from place to place, and activity to activity.  I seriously thought about writing down a list that I could hand to the people in my life, but figured maybe that was just a little too crazy.

So if I find out someone is interested in the lifestyle, yes they become more attractive as a person, because that's one more compartment of my life that I can open up and acknowledge around them.  There are people who I love a great deal who will only ever see two or three sides of me.  But the more compartments someone can understand, the more attractive they are to me.  Which is why people I meet here may be attracted on the lifestyle level, but if the rest of it doesn't work, then we wouldn't be more than play partners, really.  However, understanding or being in the lifestyle is hardly the only requirement I have for the people I'm with, so while it will change my perception of someone, it's not going to seal the deal.

As an aside, if I have a friend who tells me they are a submissive in the lifestyle, they go into a totally separate category of people that I look out for, even if they're not looking to me as their Domme.  So it's not just attraction - your niche in the lifestyle directly affects how I react to you as a person, whether attraction enters into it or not.

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RE: What attracts you...? - 12/18/2007 5:54:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sodsta

A quick question...

If you are submissive, and you meet someone new, do they become more attractive to you when you find out they are Dominant? Or, say, you're friends with someone, on a fairly casual level, and you've never viewed them in a sexual light before - do they suddenly develop a certain sexual appeal when you discover they are a Dom/me?

The same question goes for Dominants who meet someone new and find out they are a submissive. Does this change your perception of them? And does that person become more attractive to you when you discover this?




If we're talking about just sexual attraction, I've been turned on by all kinds of men for different reasons. Being dominant, or coming across as dominant, doesn't have very much to do with my basic, primal sex drive, lol.

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RE: What attracts you...? - 12/18/2007 6:11:36 AM   
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When meeting someone knew, it is theperson I am attracted to, depending on the chenistry between us. As we get to know eack other's likes, dislikes, etc, that is the major appeal for me. Finding out they are kinky and dominant, to me, is the icing on the cake.


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RE: What attracts you...? - 12/18/2007 7:32:13 AM   
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Definitely!  Most of the people I come in contact with are soooo vanilla... maybe its where we live, I dunno... but if it popped up that someone was indeed sub or Dom or Domme, and had heretofore been hiding it well, I would be a lot more interested in them.  As a friend mainly, although sexual interest might develop in time, but mainly as a friend.  We have very few friends who are open to such things, as far as I know.

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RE: What attracts you...? - 12/18/2007 7:35:19 AM   
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There are people who I love a great deal who will only ever see two or three sides of me.



lol, love that ;)


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RE: What attracts you...? - 12/18/2007 8:14:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sodsta

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I don't look for sexual partners in the vanilla public so I'm not sure how this question would apply to me as I generally know what people's roles are when I talk to them.
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Ahhh yes, I guess that's where I should have clarified. I meant in the vanilla public, if you meet someone and <i>then</I> discover that they are kinky and Dominant (or submissive, depending on your preference) would <i>that</I> change your perception of them?



My perception sure as we would have more in common. Would it automatically be a sexual turn on? No.



True, i do not look for someone in the vanilla public, but as time goes by, i can find traits within them that are either Dominant or submissive. There have been times when i've brought the subject up, about being either or. i think there may be times where i've opend up their eyes, in a good way.
As for specifically a Dominant male, i tend to observe him more, just to watch, and well, i have to admit i will give a smile more now feeling the sense of Dominance.. .. and perhaps my cheek might flush, but that does not mean i grow sexual feelings for him.
i guess that is all clear enough! 

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RE: What attracts you...? - 12/18/2007 8:23:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sodsta

The same question goes for Dominants who meet someone new and find out they are a submissive. Does this change your perception of them? And does that person become more attractive to you when you discover this?



Everything I learn about a person will affect my perception of them.  However, just because I learn that a person has a submissive nature doesn't equate that I will become more interested in them anymore than learning they have a Dominant nature would cause me to become less interested in them.   What I look for is the character of a person.  I look for character traits that I admire and that will develop interest for me.  However, their submissive or Dominant nature may very well affect the type of healthy functional relationship we will have.  A Domaint female that hold the character traits I admire would not become an intimate partner in a long-term relationship.  But they could very well become a very close and dear friend for the long-term.  Hell... they might be so close... we just might do things to my girls together.... I like sharing with my friends  *G*

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RE: What attracts you...? - 12/18/2007 9:38:18 AM   
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Greetings,

I glanced at this thread in passing initially and didn't think much about it; but then curiosity struck and I came back to see the responses more so than the question. That in itself provoked a response of my own.

I thought I’d share a Gorean perspective for consideration. Not to prove any point but rather to offer a perspective.

If I met any of you on the street; at no point would I attempt to determine your lifestyle choices, appearances can be deceiving; the first thing that attracts me to someone are those lustful traits. It has to be a female, that's personal preference; a set of long legs and a nice ass always gets my attention, tits are nice, but a fine ass always wins my interest. Now this would be the same whether I was walking down the street, whether I was at a Gorean gathering, or any other alternative lifestyle event. I don't believe that vanilla is a choice as much as an ignorance to what is out there. If a submissive is in the company of a dominant they feel a connection to and the dominant has any desire to command this creature, well the sub will most certainly follow whatever path the dominant beast takes. But the physical appearance is simply the initial attraction, the at first glance thing, even though there is much more to the for your eyes only effect. Beware of those that cast deceptive motives.

I'll bore you in a sec with some of our Gorean philosophy so you understand what I see when I look at a girl, no matter the physical location. Hell it could be with a simple cashier at the Mall. When I see a girl that is physically attractive, I might test her with a hard stare, a playful gesture, some very direct discourse or a casual wink and then observe her reaction. This will divulge a great deal about her receptive nature and in part, her personality. You can't always tell who the truly devoted submissive is versus the Venus Flytraps simply by observing their attire or sometimes deceptive facade. Tons of females wear overly revealing clothes and yet you actually find some very remarkable wenches dressed in deceptively conservative clothing. So it’s all in the response to a man's initial contact with her. In other words, it's all in the eyes, that gets the ball rolling or not.

I love the bashful, yet curious look in response to a subtle stare. A girl with manners that isn't simply being courteous do to a job is a big attraction. How gracefully she moves and the effort she puts into herself, with regards to her appearance. So many girls want the easy to manage hairstyle. To me that can demonstrates a lazy nature. Do you ever look at the background in the photos of the girls here on CM, or when you meet a girl and you might get to see her car. Is it full of junk? I love long flowing, silky smooth hair that demonstrates personal pride. Be it straight or wavy. I like natural women. Clothing that is actually concealing yet still affords her natural shape to the man's visual pleasure is more alluring for me. I like a woman that embraces her nature, yet leaves the degree she will reveal it publicly to her "master". The, I am all woman and want to be taken and discovered by him, yet not just any him is most attractive to me.

I like all nature of the female beasts, but I seem to favor the girl that is somewhat afraid to discover the truth she knows is there, yet longs desperately to find a man that will selfishly unleash it, use and make it his own.

Now for the Gorean philosophy part, I hope I don’t put anyone to sleep, but it helps understand what we or at least I think; they have been running a couple good threads about this in the Gorean section lately. Within all of us lies the whole spectrum from submissive to dominant. Our nature and DNA tend to effect what we feel most comfortable as. In that the old saying “be that which you” are comes to play. For example, in moments of emergency a powerful dominant could quite possibly shudder and tremble in submission to save its life; or an intent submissive can rise to dominance to preserve life. Neither would be comfortable maintaining this on a long term basis, but in rare circumstances, necessity is the mother of invention.

I tend to be in casual observation an average dominant male, I have my specific preferences I mentioned, but it is my belief that when I am faced with the average submissive female, the more dominant I am the more submissive she will become and in return the degree of submission that she reflects inspires an even greater degree of domination in me. There will be natural and nurture effects from both sides, but in the end the nature that she is most comfortable achieving and the same for myself will shine through, that is if neither of us deny our nature.

Imagine a gas gage scale, half full being your middle ground, half submissive, and half dominant. For the sake of pecking order the average dominant is the 3/4 full mark, and the average submissive is the 1/4 full mark. The more or less one person is to the other, will cause the tanks to adjust, the amount of fluid must remain constant. So if the dominant is only a 5/8ths dominant, the submissive tank must rise to 3/8ths or the tanks will be inconsistent. That is the first thing to avoid; the second is if you are uncomfortable with the level you must operate at. That will ultimately very with every person you meet. I have a wife that is comfortable operating at a 3/8ths and I in turn operate at 5/8ths with her. My ideal slave would be more 1/16 to my 15/16ths. But again that would depend on the girl. I might be willing to alter it a slight degree one way or the other. It's about creating harmony with who you are, and who they are. Not fighting to be something we are not. And the crazy thing is that everyone you meet will alter the level in your tank.

So just go out there and live and if you are honest with yourself and you find people that are the same, you will be attracted to a lot more than you realize. Open your minds and your hearts to limits untold. Use the lifestyles to find likeminded folk, not simply to limit the scope of who you encounter. Remember the Breakfast Club, within each one of us is a Princess, a Flake, a Nerd, a Jock, a Criminal and a Kinkster....OK they left out kinkster, but that is always implied isn't it.

This seemed like a good thread to inspires some rational thought and discourse....take it or leave it.

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RE: What attracts you...? - 12/18/2007 12:45:23 PM   
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Damn, that was a good post, Master Bull. =)


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RE: What attracts you...? - 12/18/2007 1:10:02 PM   
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I am drawn or attracted to physique initially. Regardless of what philosophies reside inside that shell, it is the shell that first draws me in. On the reverse, if a girl was the "perfect" slave and I was not drawn to her physically/sexually, things would never go further than that.

Once the initial and mutual attraction is evident, I then drill down examine personality, character and interests (also, still outside of any BDSM dimensions and context). If things fit here, then I explore yet further.

Next, I have often found that a great number of vanilla women have a repressed innate BDSM propensity. It is what they consider their "dark" side that, as proper conventional women, they need to keep hidden and without attention whatsoever. I have also found that this innate propensity can be nurtured and fed. A subtle fire can be lit and the flames can be fanned by conveying a sense of comfort and security in which it is not only okay, but encouraged to be different. By showing that I am the "freak", their kink becomes normal in comparison and in this comfort zone they may or may not expose and reveal something deep inside that yearns to be released. It makes you feel like a da Vinci who sets a David free from a raw slab of marble!

Should this not happen, then things are obviously a no-go. But in summary, it is always the woman and the person first and the compatibility of the "kinks" and needs second that draw me in to someone.

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RE: What attracts you...? - 12/18/2007 2:47:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sodsta

And does that person become more attractive to you when you discover this?



I have a tendency to assume a woman (any woman) is submissive when I meet her, regardless of whether she's in the office barking out orders a la Mussolini, or whether she's muttering something about needing to buy an indulgence to save her from purgatory; so, it's never a surprise when she does indeed turn out to be submissive.

Yes, I find submissive women far more attractive - not all, by any stretch of the imagination - but I have a broad type that suits my character: eager to please, assured, expressive, feminine, warm-hearted, obedient, energetic - preferably she'd have long dark hair, dark eyes and be slim - but I'm open to negotiation on appearance, whereas I'm less compromising with regard to the broad type.

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RE: What attracts you...? - 12/18/2007 2:58:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sodsta

A quick question...

If you are submissive, and you meet someone new, do they become more attractive to you when you find out they are Dominant? Or, say, you're friends with someone, on a fairly casual level, and you've never viewed them in a sexual light before - do they suddenly develop a certain sexual appeal when you discover they are a Dom/me?

The same question goes for Dominants who meet someone new and find out they are a submissive. Does this change your perception of them? And does that person become more attractive to you when you discover this?



I am attracted to the energy a person exudes.  Power, strength, and confidence have been aphrodesiacs for me.  A dominant label does not mean a person has such characteristics.   I have met many a dominant who would not be strong enough for me.  It is when someone clearly overpowers me, whose intellect and humor impresses me, well that's when I have been most affected.   My Master's character came through in our first conversation.  It was one of those, "You had me at hello" moments.

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RE: What attracts you...? - 12/18/2007 3:03:21 PM   
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If a person had a Dominate personality in vanilla life he would be considered an asshole.


Ha.  When I first asked my Master, "So what do people call you?" (in trying to learn his name), his response was, "It depends who you ask.  Many call me asshole." 

His dominant persona indeed comes through in all facets of his life.

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RE: What attracts you...? - 12/18/2007 3:26:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

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ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

If a person had a Dominate personality in vanilla life he would be considered an asshole.


Ha.  When I first asked my Master, "So what do people call you?" (in trying to learn his name), his response was, "It depends who you ask.  Many call me asshole." 

His dominant persona indeed comes through in all facets of his life.


I've been called an asshole many, many times in my interactions with others. I tend to have a rather abrassive personality publicly; if you can stand my public sardonism (not to be confused with sadism), count yourself among the few. But if you look into my prefered style, you will see that I am rather submissive. Does this outwardly display of dominance make me dominant instead of submissive? Of course not. Sadly my submissive nature must take a back seat so that I might compete in the real world.

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RE: What attracts you...? - 12/18/2007 4:21:15 PM   
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I've been called an asshole many, many times in my interactions with others. I tend to have a rather abrassive personality publicly; if you can stand my public sardonism (not to be confused with sadism), count yourself among the few. But if you look into my prefered style, you will see that I am rather submissive. Does this outwardly display of dominance make me dominant instead of submissive? Of course not. Sadly my submissive nature must take a back seat so that I might compete in the real world.



I agree that an outward display of dominance does not make you dominant instead of submissive.  In fact, those who know me personally are shocked when I tell them I am submissive to Mr. Wonderful.  But I disagree with your thinking that submission must take a back seat.  Oddly enough (or perhaps not so oddly), the more I submit to him, the more dominant I appear to the outside world.  My need to submit is fulfilled by one man, and not by the world at large.  This was not the case when I met him, however, as I was submissive to most people as a way of trying to fill a very large void.  In reality, it took only one adept person to bring me "home" and to teach me that I could successfully compete in the world at large AND be true to myself by submitting completely.  Please do not think it is impossible to do both!

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RE: What attracts you...? - 12/18/2007 4:29:25 PM   
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I've been called an asshole many, many times in my interactions with others. I tend to have a rather abrassive personality publicly; if you can stand my public sardonism (not to be confused with sadism), count yourself among the few. But if you look into my prefered style, you will see that I am rather submissive. Does this outwardly display of dominance make me dominant instead of submissive? Of course not. Sadly my submissive nature must take a back seat so that I might compete in the real world.



I agree that an outward display of dominance does not make you dominant instead of submissive.  In fact, those who know me personally are shocked when I tell them I am submissive to Mr. Wonderful.  But I disagree with your thinking that submission must take a back seat.  Oddly enough (or perhaps not so oddly), the more I submit to him, the more dominant I appear to the outside world.  My need to submit is fulfilled by one man, and not by the world at large.  This was not the case when I met him, however, as I was submissive to most people as a way of trying to fill a very large void.  In reality, it took only one adept person to bring me "home" and to teach me that I could successfully compete in the world at large AND be true to myself by submitting completely.  Please do not think it is impossible to do both!


I think that I was not very clear in my original post. I was not saying I cannot submit to a Master. I was saying that, with regards to my public life, submission is not an option for me. It is in this regard that submission must take a back seat.

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RE: What attracts you...? - 12/18/2007 8:14:43 PM   
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I tend to love all people.....but don't always like their ways. Dom/mes, slaves, whatever the title, I'm sure I would just love then all the same. But, a person's character and/or attitude is what attracts or prevents Me from being attracted to them.

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RE: What attracts you...? - 12/19/2007 5:48:06 AM   
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He dips His lid;

I'm in agreeance with MidMichCowboy however understand that 'life experiences' shape our abilities to 'see' further. So people are responding to his thread from both perspectives.

People have D or s traits that are evident for initial interpretation and astute questioning reveals more.   I am attracted to both D and s traits for friendship or more.  Physical attraction (for me)  is based upon these traits and behaviours not someone revealing their 'Label' to me. 

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