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Ryugen -> Prerequisite Intelligence (12/17/2007 6:36:33 PM)
So, I've been thinking. While browsing the many posts on this forum it seems that everyone here is pretty smart and pretty on the ball when it comes to life. Admittedly, some more than others, but then I guess the more years you have the more experience you have as well. However, it got me thinking (like so many things do). So, I've come back and posted yet another thread with questions in it. I'm curious, does anyone think that to have a preference towards BDSM (any of its aspects, as a lifestyle, entertainment, or playground) first requires someone to have (perhaps) an IQ higher than a certain level (I realise that IQ isn't the be-all-and-end-all of a persons intelligence)? Or maybe it's just the knowledge of how to use an internet forum that enables people to claim they're into the lifestyle and post so on these specific forums [8D] Do you think submissiveness or dominance is built into peoples DNA or can it be learnt? For that matter, do you think a preference for Master/slave roles is built into your DNA or can it be learnt? As for both questions, do you think there is a prerequisite in your DNA for the learning of any of those roles? And if there is, does that mean it's built into the DNA to begin with anyway? (We could also apply these questions to a vanilla preference as well). Do you think that a certain amount of life experience is a prerequisite for a preference towards BDSM (again, any of its aspects)? I swear this curiosity of mine will lose me all my nine lives one of these days... Anyway, as always, responces beyond a simple yes or no are greatly appreciated, feel free to express your opinions to your hearts content!

Shawn1066 -> RE: Prerequisite Intelligence (12/17/2007 6:50:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ryugen So, I've been thinking. While browsing the many posts on this forum it seems that everyone here is pretty smart and pretty on the ball when it comes to life. Admittedly, some more than others, but then I guess the more years you have the more experience you have as well. However, it got me thinking (like so many things do). So, I've come back and posted yet another thread with questions in it. I'm curious, does anyone think that to have a preference towards BDSM (any of its aspects, as a lifestyle, entertainment, or playground) first requires someone to have (perhaps) an IQ higher than a certain level (I realise that IQ isn't the be-all-and-end-all of a persons intelligence)? Or maybe it's just the knowledge of how to use an internet forum that enables people to claim they're into the lifestyle and post so on these specific forums [8D] Do you think submissiveness or dominance is built into peoples DNA or can it be learnt? For that matter, do you think a preference for Master/slave roles is built into your DNA or can it be learnt? As for both questions, do you think there is a prerequisite in your DNA for the learning of any of those roles? And if there is, does that mean it's built into the DNA to begin with anyway? (We could also apply these questions to a vanilla preference as well). Do you think that a certain amount of life experience is a prerequisite for a preference towards BDSM (again, any of its aspects)? I swear this curiosity of mine will lose me all my nine lives one of these days... Anyway, as always, responces beyond a simple yes or no are greatly appreciated, feel free to express your opinions to your hearts content! I would argue dominance and submission are pretty much built into your DNA, yes. Being a slave/master has to be learned, though. Rather through training or trial and error. Being submissive doesn't make you a slave and being dominant doesn't make you an Owner. Can somebody learn to be submissive and/or dominant? Of course.

takenbyjohnr07 -> RE: Prerequisite Intelligence (12/17/2007 6:50:49 PM)
in my opinion maturity and the ability to communicate without making yourself look foolish or childish is what makes a good Dominant and submissive. Just like in the vanilla world.

SirJohnMandevill -> RE: Prerequisite Intelligence (12/17/2007 6:54:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ryugen I'm curious, does anyone think that to have a preference towards BDSM (any of its aspects, as a lifestyle, entertainment, or playground) first requires someone to have (perhaps) an IQ higher than a certain level (I realise that IQ isn't the be-all-and-end-all of a persons intelligence)? Or maybe it's just the knowledge of how to use an internet forum that enables people to claim they're into the lifestyle and post so on these specific forums [8D] quote: I haven't noticed this at all. I personally want a submissive woman to be strong and intelligent, so I tend to seek subs who are smarter than the average bear. But I know of others, Dom and sub, of varying intelligence levels. quote: Do you think submissiveness or dominance is built into peoples DNA or can it be learnt? quote: Judging from the many experiences related by posters on these boards, apparently both. I know personally I was "wired" for BDSM, having gotten my li'l weiner in a knot watching a female whipping scene in a mainstream movie... at age SEVEN! Others will undoubtedly tell you their interest began much later in life. To me, this would be a fascinating candidate for a serious reserach study. Wish I were a Ph.D.! Les (Purveyor of Fine, Handcrafted Kink) For that matter, do you think a preference for Master/slave roles is built into your DNA or can it be learnt? As for both questions, do you think there is a prerequisite in your DNA for the learning of any of those roles? And if there is, does that mean it's built into the DNA to begin with anyway? (We could also apply these questions to a vanilla preference as well). Do you think that a certain amount of life experience is a prerequisite for a preference towards BDSM (again, any of its aspects)? I swear this curiosity of mine will lose me all my nine lives one of these days... Anyway, as always, responces beyond a simple yes or no are greatly appreciated, feel free to express your opinions to your hearts content!

IrishMist -> RE: Prerequisite Intelligence (12/17/2007 6:58:38 PM)
quote: I'm curious, does anyone think that to have a preference towards BDSM (any of its aspects, as a lifestyle, entertainment, or playground) first requires someone to have (perhaps) an IQ higher than a certain level Nope quote: Do you think submissiveness or dominance is built into peoples DNA or can it be learnt? I believe that *some* are inherently submissive or dominant; and I believe that *some* take on those attributes for a scene. I do not however believe that a dominant or submissive personality is genetic. quote: For that matter, do you think a preference for Master/slave roles is built into your DNA or can it be learnt? Same answer as above. quote: Do you think that a certain amount of life experience is a prerequisite for a preference towards BDSM (again, any of its aspects)? No

Rover -> RE: Prerequisite Intelligence (12/17/2007 7:00:02 PM)
I don't believe that lifestylers are any more, or less, intelligent than society as a whole. I also believe that the majority of available evidence supports a genetic component for S/M, and dominant/submissive personalities. However, that does not necessarily mean a correlating affinity for power exchange relationships. The origin of fetishes is quite a bit more murky. John

Jeffff -> RE: Prerequisite Intelligence (12/17/2007 7:03:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rover I don't believe that lifestylers are any more, or less, intelligent than society as a whole. John Spend enough time here....and may begin to believe the opposite Jeff

DarkDaddyZ -> RE: Prerequisite Intelligence (12/17/2007 7:05:24 PM)
LA, where are the links?

laurell3 -> RE: Prerequisite Intelligence (12/17/2007 7:06:20 PM)
That again brings up the issue of nature vs. nuture and there is another thread on that around here somewhere. The debate of course is central to most methodologies that seek to study or change human behavior. The truth is we never know the answer for sure. I'm not sure the population on the forums is representative of the overall lifestyle population. I know for a fact there are many out there practicing that have less than stellar IQ's but are open-minded, caring, compassionate individuals that do well in their d/s relationships because of that. The question I would ask you Ryugen is why you are making the essay questions? Don't get me wrong, I enjoy conversation with intelligent people, but I am starting to wonder if maybe you have questions that you seek answers to that are more specific? Of course, I could be wrong, it's certaintly been known to happen.

MsPleasure -> RE: Prerequisite Intelligence (12/17/2007 7:14:18 PM)
I think you just need to be adventurous. This is all new to me, but once I was exposed I decided to try things out. The dominance has always been there.

Ryugen -> RE: Prerequisite Intelligence (12/17/2007 7:21:37 PM)
A big thank you to everyone who replied, it's interesting to see others opinions and takes on things. quote: ORIGINAL: laurell3 The question I would ask you Ryugen is why you are making the essary questions? Don't get me wrong, I enjoy conversation with intelligent people, but I am starting to wonder if maybe you have questions that you seek answers to that are more specific? Of course, I could be wrong, it's certaintly been known to happen. Specific? Do you mean specific about the lifestyle of BDSM or just generally more specific questions? So far as specific questions about the lifestyle goes, I have found and use the search function and am trying not to create duplicate threads as often as I can (obviously here I missed the nature vs nurture thread). As for generally more specific questions, I guess what I mean there is questions that people pose to others for advice about a situation occuring in their own lives. My life, at this moment, is pretty sorted. I am a very confident person and believe in myself, but don't get me wrong, I'm certainly keen on advice. I think advice from experienced people is something that should always be taken note of, but I think I'm waiving from the original question. I have been browsing the forums for answers to my questions, I think the term is "lurking". As for more specific questions, in kenny's dual threads OldBasterdly1 posted and said he'd be willing to give advice to any new Dom to the lifestyle. I took his offer seriously and have been asking him a number of questions, and getting answers to them. When something new comes into my head that I can't find in an already existing thread, I ask him. He's a very useful fountain of information [:D] Edited to add; Or have I missed the meaning of your question about specific questions is different to my 2 takes on it, Laurell?

PanthersMom -> RE: Prerequisite Intelligence (12/17/2007 7:28:27 PM)
i think people are the sum of their dna and their experiences added together. everything you are has made you who you are at this moment, genetic features, mental function, life experiences and or the lack thereof. the idea that you can demand a certain intelligence level seems to go along with the idea of attraction being based on more than the physical aspects. if i meet a girl i find attractive, it's because she can do more than look pretty, she can open her mouth and say something worth listening to. in my book, looks are not the first thing on my list. the person needs to be totally attractive to me, as a whole, not just look a certain way. looks are nice, but they're damned boring when the person opens their mouth and all you hear is the wind whistling thru their head. PM

Petronius -> RE: Prerequisite Intelligence (12/17/2007 7:29:02 PM)
My recollection of the Kinsey reports are that education and sexual experimentation are related. I don't think it automatically comes from intelligence. Rather it seems to me that the more educated tend to have a better understanding of the antisexual bullshit our culture produces. But, I also recall that the relationship between education and experimentation wasn't a major one.

Leatherist -> RE: Prerequisite Intelligence (12/17/2007 7:33:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Petronius My recollection of the Kinsey reports are that education and sexual experimentation are related. I don't think it automatically comes from intelligence. Rather it seems to me that the more educated tend to have a better understanding of the antisexual bullshit our culture produces. But, I also recall that the relationship between education and experimentation wasn't a major one. Intelligence also means that one can learn that you don't have to conform to be happy. Even to "alternative lifestyles". Which can be another way of saying "I'm so special, I don't follow the vanilla herd. I'll follow the D/s herd instead." If everyone is doing it-what makes it different? Makes one rather question "intelligence and individuality" in that light.

Sinergy -> RE: Prerequisite Intelligence (12/17/2007 7:40:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Petronius My recollection of the Kinsey reports are that education and sexual experimentation are related. My recollection of the past few years are that being a Republican in political office or a religious leader who is either virulently anti-homosexual or anti-extramarital affairs and sexual experimentation are related. I would tend to think that there is a correlation between people's intelligence and their ability to post on an internet message board, and a correlation between people's sexual proclivities and their tendency to post on a message board devoted to people's sexual proclivities. Just me, could be wrong, etc. Freudergy

Missokyst -> RE: Prerequisite Intelligence (12/17/2007 8:00:59 PM)
I only consider intelligent men. They have to have at least an equal measure as myself or better. Why? Because there is less insecurity about themselves in relation to me. I don't however, believe that bdsm attracts people of high IQ, in general. I have met more than a fair share that don't fit that criteria at all. And that is ok, with luck everyone finds their level eventually Kyst

TemptingNviceSub -> RE: Prerequisite Intelligence (12/17/2007 8:08:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ryugen So, I've been thinking. While browsing the many posts on this forum it seems that everyone here is pretty smart and pretty on the ball when it comes to life. Admittedly, some more than others, but then I guess the more years you have the more experience you have as well. However, it got me thinking (like so many things do). So, I've come back and posted yet another thread with questions in it. I'm curious, does anyone think that to have a preference towards BDSM (any of its aspects, as a lifestyle, entertainment, or playground) first requires someone to have (perhaps) an IQ higher than a certain level (I realise that IQ isn't the be-all-and-end-all of a persons intelligence)? Or maybe it's just the knowledge of how to use an internet forum that enables people to claim they're into the lifestyle and post so on these specific forums [8D]More intelligient?..no...More open to varying ideas?..possibly, but even then, not always..:0) Do you think submissiveness or dominance is built into peoples DNA or can it be learnt? For that matter, do you think a preference for Master/slave roles is built into your DNA or can it be learnt? As for both questions, do you think there is a prerequisite in your DNA for the learning of any of those roles? And if there is, does that mean it's built into the DNA to begin with anyway? (We could also apply these questions to a vanilla preference as well).Why blame it on DNA?...it could be Past lives,religion,nurture,boredom,curiosity,nature,ideaology..you name it , it could be any of these things or none..it just is.what it is.....to whomever wishes the experience.. Do you think that a certain amount of life experience is a prerequisite for a preference towards BDSM (again, any of its aspects)?No I swear this curiosity of mine will lose me all my nine lives one of these days... Anyway, as always, responces beyond a simple yes or no are greatly appreciated, feel free to express your opinions to your hearts content! Never stop learning or questioning, the knowledge will always stand you in good stead for not falling into obvious, foolish decisions, and possibly assist you in making a more wiser choice in the relationships you will form...Tempting..the one who came out of the womb asking "why"??[:)]....

MasterFireMaam -> RE: Prerequisite Intelligence (12/17/2007 8:15:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ryugen I'm curious, does anyone think that to have a preference towards BDSM (any of its aspects, as a lifestyle, entertainment, or playground) first requires someone to have (perhaps) an IQ higher than a certain level (I realise that IQ isn't the be-all-and-end-all of a persons intelligence)? No. I know several mentally impaired (but not enough to be disabled) people who are in the lifestyle. quote: Do you think submissiveness or dominance is built into peoples DNA or can it be learnt? For that matter, do you think a preference for Master/slave roles is built into your DNA or can it be learnt? I think IF there is a link to DNA, it's more along the lines of giving you a predisposition. There rest is how we are raised and the experiences we had. Master Fire

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Prerequisite Intelligence (12/17/2007 9:23:42 PM)
Well as I like to say- orientation is innate, expression of orientation is learned. http://www.collarchat.com/m_744252/mpage_1/key_nature%252Cnurture/tm.htm#744266 Do you think you were "born this way"? http://www.collarchat.com/m_691960/mpage_1/key_nature%252Cnurture/tm.htm#691984 naturally Ds? http://www.collarchat.com/m_499963/mpage_1/key_nature%252Cnurture/tm.htm#499979 Nature or nurture? http://www.collarchat.com/m_307130/mpage_1/key_nature%252Cnurture/tm.htm#307130 Do you feel being a dom/me is innate or can be learned? http://www.collarchat.com/m_461558/mpage_1/key_nature%252Cnurture/tm.htm#461558 hard-wired, why why why! http://www.collarchat.com/m_143698/mpage_1/key_born%252Craised/tm.htm#143698 nature versus nurture http://www.collarchat.com/m_760860/mpage_2/key_nature%252Cnurture/tm.htm#761518 born to serve? http://www.collarchat.com/m_468650/mpage_1/key_nature%252Cnurture/tm.htm#468650 nature vs nurture http://www.collarchat.com/m_35901/mpage_1/key_learned%252Cborn/tm.htm#35901 born or learned, how we become dom? http://www.collarchat.com/m_1213460/mpage_1/key_intelligence/tm.htm#1213490 intelligence http://www.collarchat.com/m_963913/mpage_5/key_intelligence/tm.htm#964547 intellectual appeal http://www.collarchat.com/m_774565/mpage_1/key_intelligence/tm.htm#774679 Intelligence? http://www.collarchat.com/m_332345/mpage_1/key_intelligence/tm.htm#332712 Intelligence levels in SM and BDSM http://www.collarchat.com/m_1064057/mpage_1/key_experience/tm.htm#1064065 Claiming experience and giving advice http://www.collarchat.com/m_621938/mpage_1/key_experience/tm.htm#622182 The definition of experience http://www.collarchat.com/m_378312/mpage_1/key_experience/tm.htm#378398 experience vs theory http://www.collarchat.com/m_326427/mpage_1/key_experience/tm.htm#326480 how do you measure experience?

Ryugen -> RE: Prerequisite Intelligence (12/17/2007 9:39:51 PM)
Thank you all for your responces, and thank you, LuckyAlbatross, for the pointers to the other posts. Seems I wasn't using the right words when I searched. Very interesting to see everyones opinions on this, as always [:D]

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