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incadescentr lightbulb- to be phazed out - 12/18/2007 3:02:02 PM   
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RE: incadescentr lightbulb- to be phazed out - 12/18/2007 4:48:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		And good riddance.  The damn thing doesn't make light- it makes heat- and light is a byproduct.  I suspect the savings is far more substantial- especially because reducing the heat from lighting reduces AC costs as well.  Hopefully this will spur some US companies to enter the field (besides those useless imbeciles at GE- I'll give them brilliant marketing though).  They're getting closer with the color balance of LEDs.  One thing most people don't realize is that it's going to change the fixture requirements dramatically- LEDs like something like 3V and DC.

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RE: incadescentr lightbulb- to be phazed out - 12/18/2007 5:05:59 PM   
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RE: incadescentr lightbulb- to be phazed out - 12/18/2007 5:09:25 PM   
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I read it- it has no mention of light bulbs

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RE: incadescentr lightbulb- to be phazed out - 12/18/2007 5:16:11 PM   
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And good riddance.  The damn thing doesn't make light- it makes heat- and light is a byproduct.  I suspect the savings is far more substantial- especially because reducing the heat from lighting reduces AC costs as well.  Hopefully this will spur some US companies to enter the field (besides those useless imbeciles at GE- I'll give them brilliant marketing though).  They're getting closer with the color balance of LEDs.  One thing most people don't realize is that it's going to change the fixture requirements dramatically- LEDs like something like 3V and DC.

Sam



bridge and a resistor solves that but the leds dont really give off all that much light though they are more efficient.

I am not sure how good coherent light is to look at all day, althought the sodium flourescents arent to bbad all things considered.  imagine aqccidently staring into a led light?  have burn spots on our eyes.

For leds, once you pulse them above 250 hz they look like they are constantly on to the human eye





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RE: incadescentr lightbulb- to be phazed out - 12/18/2007 5:18:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm all for energy conservation and savings where ever possible. As long as there are incandescent style alternatives that meet the energy requirements and not fluorescent technology, I see nothing wrong with losing the incandescent.

As a person with neurological difficulties, I cannot use fluorescent lighting. Even the LCD screen on my laptop causes problems for me after only 30 minutes or so of looking at it, particularly in my peripheral vision (it has a stroboscopic effect that triggers my symptoms). I have been in rooms illuminated by compact fluorescent lamps they also give me the stroboscopic effect after about 30 to 45 minutes.

As long as there is illumination provided by a process similar to that of incandescent bulbs, I'll go along with this. Otherwise, it's back to candles and oil lamps for me for general illumination. Plus, I have no idea how to output my CPU processes using candles or oil lamps. :-)

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RE: incadescentr lightbulb- to be phazed out - 12/18/2007 5:28:20 PM   
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I'm all for energy conservation and savings where ever possible. As long as there are incandescent style alternatives that meet the energy requirements and not fluorescent technology, I see nothing wrong with losing the incandescent.

As a person with neurological difficulties, I cannot use fluorescent lighting. Even the LCD screen on my laptop causes problems for me after only 30 minutes or so of looking at it, particularly in my peripheral vision (it has a stroboscopic effect that triggers my symptoms). I have been in rooms illuminated by compact fluorescent lamps they also give me the stroboscopic effect after about 30 to 45 minutes.

As long as there is illumination provided by a process similar to that of incandescent bulbs, I'll go along with this. Otherwise, it's back to candles and oil lamps for me for general illumination. Plus, I have no idea how to output my CPU processes using candles or oil lamps. :-)


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RE: incadescentr lightbulb- to be phazed out - 12/18/2007 5:30:10 PM   
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RE: incadescentr lightbulb- to be phazed out - 12/18/2007 5:35:24 PM   
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RE: incadescentr lightbulb- to be phazed out - 12/18/2007 5:36:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		The new RGB LED lights can be set to any of several million colours and, depending on the controller used, can provide imitation incandescent light, mood colours or colour changing effects. There are some bulbs that are self contained including the controller, intended replacements for use in standard incan sockets.

They are still a bit expensive but the prices are coming down.

Bye bye incans. (Thanks for nothing, Thomas the idea thief Edison.)


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RE: incadescentr lightbulb- to be phazed out - 12/18/2007 5:43:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		LED lighting technology looks promising. I'm just wondering about any possible stroboscopic effects. I can't seem to locate a vendor anywhere near where I live that could demonstrate this technology, and I haven't been able to find any replacement lamps using LEDs locally.

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RE: incadescentr lightbulb- to be phazed out - 12/18/2007 6:01:40 PM   
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As a person with neurological difficulties, I cannot use fluorescent lighting. Even the LCD screen on my laptop causes problems for me after only 30 minutes or so of looking at it, particularly in my peripheral vision (it has a stroboscopic effect that triggers my symptoms). I have been in rooms illuminated by compact fluorescent lamps they also give me the stroboscopic effect after about 30 to 45 minutes.

As long as there is illumination provided by a process similar to that of incandescent bulbs, I'll go along with this. Otherwise, it's back to candles and oil lamps for me for general illumination. Plus, I have no idea how to output my CPU processes using candles or oil lamps.



Sappatoti, this is exactly my concern.

I saw a documentary on various aspects of "sick office syndrome," and one of the issues they discussed was the effects of fluorescent and some other forms of artificial lighting, commonly used in office buildings. 

Incandescent lighting shines constantly.  Fluorescent lighting and some other forms of lighting (not sure which ones), shine in rapid bursts, too fast for us to notice consciously, but our eyes are constantly trying to adjust - our pupils contracting when the light gets brighter, and expanding when it fades - many times a minute.  Other than eyestrain, which is an automatic and of course may lead to weakened eyesight, it can cause headaches, fatigue, and mess with your neurology.  Also, for reasons I don't understand, fluorescent lights drain the body of some vitamin - is it vit C or vit A? 

Does anyone know if there's any other form of lighting that doesn't present problems for your eyes and other health risks?


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RE: incadescentr lightbulb- to be phazed out - 12/18/2007 6:03:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		florescents of any sort give off UV rays.

if you cant go out in sunlight because it makes you ill....imagine how lovely you feel after being under flourescents.  *sighs*  yes please, big brother, make ALL the world inaccessable, not just grocery stores, malls, and hospitals....

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RE: incadescentr lightbulb- to be phazed out - 12/18/2007 6:06:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		I know a guy, a billionaire in fact, who is developing some new LED lamp technology in conjunction with some of his Taiwanese partners, and he gave his personal secretary a bank of LEDs that are comparable to two standard fluorescent tubes, for her overhead lighting needs. I installed them... and she loves the LED bank because she really hated her old fluorescents, but to me it's really blue and creepy. It's a harsh glowing sort of light, and one of the hurdles that has yet to be overcome is making LED lighting softer, warmer and / or whiter.

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RE: incadescentr lightbulb- to be phazed out - 12/18/2007 7:21:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		While I understand the need to push for fluorescents to replace incandescents in most circumstances it pisses me off that there are efforts to outright ban them, as there are still practical applications for them. Keeping reptiles in captivity, for example; despite many people mistakenly use 'full-spectrum incandescents' (compared to full-spectrum fluorescents they're essentially useless for D3 synthesis and lead to metabolic illnesses), incandescents are actually useful for 'spot heating' and creating daytime basking spots of elevated temperatures which are more natural than undertank pads due to the heat's overhead source. They're also useful when getting ready for work at 2am in bathrooms that don't have heating, spot-drying paintings/papier mache, photographic purposes, etc. etc.

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RE: incadescentr lightbulb- to be phazed out - 12/18/2007 7:30:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have heard of this, and I appreciate that fluorescents save energy.  But, they are harder to dispose of because of the chemicals used in them.  I don't like the lighting they put off.  Buildings heavily lighted with them tend to give me headaches if I have to be there for long periods of time. 

The entire proposal reminds me of when they forced everyone to start buying low flow toilets and shower heads.  Instead of toilets that used enough water to get the job done efficiently, we now have to flush our toilet two or three times.  Our showers used to be enjoyable experiences, now the water just trickles out.  All because some do-gooder decided we should be protected from ourselves.

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RE: incadescentr lightbulb- to be phazed out - 12/18/2007 7:32:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		I use an incandescent light bulb in my pump house in the winter, to keep my water pipes from freezing so that I can enjoy hot and cold running water. I also use one in my fruit cellar to keep it from freezing, and my UM and her friends use them to bake cakes, cookies and other goodies in her Suzy-Bake oven. Farmers use them in henhouses to hatch chicks... there are many uses, but environmental extremists are determined to save us from ourselves no matter the cost.

I used to enjoy family vacations as a kid in the classic station wagon too though, but the government took those away. Now they want my 4X4 truck!

Green meanies... that's all they are. By the way - have I mentioned yet that today is Stalin's birthday?

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RE: incadescentr lightbulb- to be phazed out - 12/18/2007 7:35:24 PM   
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I know a guy, a billionaire in fact, who is developing some new LED lamp technology in conjunction with some of his Taiwanese partners, and he gave his personal secretary a bank of LEDs that are comparable to two standard fluorescent tubes, for her overhead lighting needs. I installed them... and she loves the LED bank because she really hated her old fluorescents, but to me it's really blue and creepy. It's a harsh glowing sort of light, and one of the hurdles that has yet to be overcome is making LED lighting softer, warmer and / or whiter.


This technology had reached the point where they're obtaining UL certification? Are these straight T-40 replacements? T-40 the right number for a regular tube?

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RE: incadescentr lightbulb- to be phazed out - 12/18/2007 7:38:47 PM   
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RE: incadescentr lightbulb- to be phazed out - 12/18/2007 7:42:05 PM   
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