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dsubmissiveman -> RE: Is professional domination legal? (12/24/2007 12:53:29 PM)
Corporate creep?!!? What did I do that so offends you? I simply asked a question and the anger in a lot of the responses is a little concerning. I only posted the fact that my company would pay for it because others asked me why I was so interested in knowing about the legality and the reporting of income of pro dommes. I did not intentionally advertise this fact nor post here to justify my behavior. I am comfortable with what I did. Well, I was able to find a domme who issued a receipt. Furthermore, I did have a decent session on Sunday and forwarded the expense to the appropriate department. As far as I can tell, there will be no issues- business as usual. Thank-you all for your input. The information was quite informative.

AnnabelHell -> RE: Is professional domination legal? (12/24/2007 2:29:42 PM)
You have not offended me. I could care less about you or your behavior because it does not affect me. I merely pointed out the obvious fact that what you are doing is fraudlulent and illegal and you shoudln't be doing it. Unless you labelled your reciept honestly with 'Personal appointment with professional Dominatrix' or something of the sort; which we all know you did not - you commited a crime. You can be comfortable with your activities if like but don't expect the other honest people reading it to approve of it, that would be ridiculous. You asked for advice. I gave you the best possible advice I could. You got the answer you did because you are showing a lack of personal responsibility and common sense in your choices. It's bad for you, bad for your company, and bad for any Dominant willing to participate in the activity with you. What's worse is you aren't doing this unwittingly. You are consciously decieving people and smugly happy about it. They have words for that. We're here to give you the best advice possible. The truth is that what you are doing makes you are a liar, and a con. It will catch up with you sooner, or later. You wouldn't be the first person to lie about their expenses. If you think companies don't audit or look into expenditures, you are mistaken. If you expect us to believe your company is ok with you using funds to see a Pro-Domme, you are pulling the wrong legs. So, enjoy your jack-off play at someone else's expense and save us the bullshit. I, for one, am not interested. You got your answer.

lockmeupplease -> RE: Is professional domination legal? (12/24/2007 2:33:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dsubmissiveman Well, I was able to find a domme who issued a receipt. Furthermore, I did have a decent session on Sunday and forwarded the expense to the appropriate department. As far as I can tell, there will be no issues- business as usual. I'm curious---what is the "appropriate department" and how do I know if my company has one??? Remind me not to buy your stock.

Zaraseeks -> RE: Is professional domination legal? (12/24/2007 2:50:07 PM)
With my pro sessions I work alone, not with a doungeon, but I claim all income, even if it is cash, which most of my clients prefer, and I am always willing to give a receipt...

Zaraseeks -> RE: Is professional domination legal? (12/24/2007 3:43:52 PM)
dsubmissiveman says/// "As far as revealing the name of my employer, well, I like where I work and how they treat me, so I'm not even going to bother going in that direction. However, it really is not that uncommon for many professionals to get certain activities expensed through their employer eventhough they do not related remotely to their work performance. " I have had this happen to me, been used on an "expense account" And not that pro Dommes are call girls, as we do not use sex, many companys do use escort services for valued clients, now for their own employees not so sure...

dsubmissiveman -> RE: Is professional domination legal? (12/24/2007 4:08:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lockmeupplease quote: ORIGINAL: dsubmissiveman Well, I was able to find a domme who issued a receipt. Furthermore, I did have a decent session on Sunday and forwarded the expense to the appropriate department. As far as I can tell, there will be no issues- business as usual. I'm curious---what is the "appropriate department" and how do I know if my company has one??? Remind me not to buy your stock. It all goes back to the corporate structure of your employer. I know who the appropriate people are and which departments they work for. However, the most important thing to remember is that when you bring in the goodies (revenue), you get rewarded.

mnottertail -> RE: Is professional domination legal? (12/24/2007 6:30:31 PM)
Please leave us 7 fun filled pages of frolicing explication, on your demise. Glad to see you come, and glad to see you go. Ron(ne)

dsubmissiveman -> RE: Is professional domination legal? (12/24/2007 8:29:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Please leave us 7 fun filled pages of frolicing explication, on your demise. Glad to see you come, and glad to see you go. Ron(ne) Ron(ne), You must remember to never hate the player, hate the game.

lockmeupplease -> RE: Is professional domination legal? (12/24/2007 8:44:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dsubmissiveman It all goes back to the corporate structure of your employer. I know who the appropriate people are and which departments they work for. However, the most important thing to remember is that when you bring in the goodies (revenue), you get rewarded. I think the best solution for you and all companies is for them to have a Domme on staff---Executive Vice President of Discipline. Then you can just put her on salary AND expense her equipment in the Corporate Dungeon.

Evility -> RE: Is professional domination legal? (12/24/2007 9:54:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MystressDream You might want to re-read the OP's posts. He talks of "slipping it past accounting", creative receipts so people can't tell at a glance what it is, and about how easy it is to push these things through without his employer "catching him". Tell me how that is honest or trustworthy as an employee? Re-read the OP's posts. Page 1. His employer knows what he is doing and they have a "nudge nudge wink wink" agreement of sorts regarding these types of entertainment charges in payment for good work performance. Evidently the reciepts he submits to the accounting department have to be harmless looking enough to not raise a red flag with them, but the boss is hip to the arrangement from what the OP has said. Is the employer abusing the whole spirit of the tax deductable business expense system? Absolutely. Is he the only one on the planet guilty of such? Unlikely. Does that make it right? No, it does not. Why the employer simply does not pay this guy a bonus for going above and beyond the call - the he can then spend on a Domina free and clear of the company expense account - is a mystery to me.

SolangeRichards -> RE: Is professional domination legal? (12/25/2007 5:00:08 AM)
quote: Why the employer simply does not pay this guy a bonus for going above and beyond the call - the he can then spend on a Domina free and clear of the company expense account - is a mystery to me. I have some theories, but I would admit that since I don't know the OP, I could very easily be wrong. I'm betting the company does in fact pay bonuses, and they are healthy ones. I'm betting there is also a corporate culture extant there that allows their producers to augment those bonuses with some healthy corporate corruption however. I'm betting the company is an old line one with a rock solid reputation. They expect their men to work hard, and play hard. They demand much of their "boys", and understand their rainmakers need to blow off a little steam once in a while. If that includes the company of a hooker, well, as long as the dreary wonks down in accounting don't raise an eyebrow no one in the boardroom will either. I'll further bet that if a female employee is caught using her expense account for nonsense like salon services, lingerie or new shoes she will find herself burned at the stake in the main office quad at high noon for thievery. I would further posit that if it were known that our erstwhile conniver was padding his account for something as insane as sessions where he allows a woman to dominate him and humiliate him rather than the "good, clean fun" of a prostitute he would follow her to the stake. Course, I know nothing of the situation, or the OP. I'm just theorizing....

AAkasha -> RE: Is professional domination legal? (12/25/2007 8:17:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Evility quote: ORIGINAL: MystressDream You might want to re-read the OP's posts. He talks of "slipping it past accounting", creative receipts so people can't tell at a glance what it is, and about how easy it is to push these things through without his employer "catching him". Tell me how that is honest or trustworthy as an employee? Re-read the OP's posts. Page 1. His employer knows what he is doing and they have a "nudge nudge wink wink" agreement of sorts regarding these types of entertainment charges in payment for good work performance. Evidently the reciepts he submits to the accounting department have to be harmless looking enough to not raise a red flag with them, but the boss is hip to the arrangement from what the OP has said. Is the employer abusing the whole spirit of the tax deductable business expense system? Absolutely. Is he the only one on the planet guilty of such? Unlikely. Does that make it right? No, it does not. Why the employer simply does not pay this guy a bonus for going above and beyond the call - the he can then spend on a Domina free and clear of the company expense account - is a mystery to me. Clearly this is one of those situations that, five years from now, the OP will probably look back and groan, "It seemed like a good idea at the time..." Management changes. Politics happen. Gossip spreads. At some point, unless the OP is dirt poor and on a shoestring (which I doubt he is), he will realize that cutting a few corners at the expense of being able to keep his personal life PERSONAL was so not worth it. Because he could probably afford to use his own money, there's probably an underlying reason for putting it on the company tab. Arrogance? The excitement of the risk factor? A sense of entitlement? Those are the things that collectively will screw his life up when management changes or there is an audit - say, in 7 years, when the company looks completely different. Akasha

TexasMaam -> RE: Is professional domination legal? (12/25/2007 10:56:48 AM)
lololol you certainly sound like bobbi, My former submissive and anal retentive 'tax professional', although I seriously doubt he'd want a receipt for services. Unless, of course, he was taking a deduction for professional services/fees and wanted to use it as a deductible business expense, like a massage with an RMT or visit to a spa while on a business trip. lololol oh lordy this was funny! Brings back so many anal retentive memories! TM

dsubmissiveman -> RE: Is professional domination legal? (12/25/2007 11:26:17 AM)
Yes, I could just as easily pay for all this myself and I have done so in the past. It's just that when you have expensed something and it worked for you before, you just assume it will work again. There is a certain excitement to it, but for the most part, it's nice to get your jollies and if you can save a few bucks on the way, even better. I'm not sure about female staff being able to expense their spa treatments, salon appointments and shoes but I'm sure if they can manage a way to discreetly bill it without it being obvious that it was for personal use, they may be able to do it. For the most part, I work in a male dominated profession and 90% of the people I deal with (regardless of level) are male. Partly, that may be the reason why the company is a bit more liberal with their expense definition criterias.

SweetDommes -> RE: Is professional domination legal? (12/25/2007 3:30:35 PM)
And personally, even coming into this conversation late - I find what you are doing to be repulsive and disgusting. There is no way in hell I would ever consider Domming you (or anyone like you) no matter how much you paid or who actually paid for it. It's crap like what you are doing that makes me very, very reluctant to become a part of administration at my job, despite the fact that my boss and others think I'd be good at it. It goes on, and you don't dare rock the boat or all hell will break loose ... on the whistle-blower (the best they can hope for is that someone finds a reason to fire them - otherwise, they face years of slander, shunning, etc.). I've already figured out that you don't give a damn ... but you are a creep and I hope that you get outed and earn some true humiliation (sometimes the public view of male submission can be used for good ... even if it sucks overall).

kc692 -> RE: Is professional domination legal? (12/25/2007 4:34:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Evility quote: ORIGINAL: MystressDream You might want to re-read the OP's posts. He talks of "slipping it past accounting", creative receipts so people can't tell at a glance what it is, and about how easy it is to push these things through without his employer "catching him". Tell me how that is honest or trustworthy as an employee? Re-read the OP's posts. Page 1. His employer knows what he is doing and they have a "nudge nudge wink wink" agreement of sorts regarding these types of entertainment charges in payment for good work performance. Evidently the reciepts he submits to the accounting department have to be harmless looking enough to not raise a red flag with them, but the boss is hip to the arrangement from what the OP has said. Is the employer abusing the whole spirit of the tax deductable business expense system? Absolutely. Is he the only one on the planet guilty of such? Unlikely. Does that make it right? No, it does not. Why the employer simply does not pay this guy a bonus for going above and beyond the call - the he can then spend on a Domina free and clear of the company expense account - is a mystery to me. You are right. Truly, if his employer knows, (and I might add, everyone is assuming he is working for a publicly traded corporation, because they take umbrage at what the employer is doing) who gives a crap what he does? I imagine one of the reasons(just guessing) it's expensed instead of being included in bonuses is; bonuses are taxable, reimbursement of documented expenses are not(well, 50% since this is definitely entertainment, lol) The issue that I took with the situation was him worrying about whether the dominas were paying taxes or not, and that being one of his issues, the other being whether professional domination was also. His employer may be aware that he is fudging expenses, no problem. But since he is not reporting this as income, he may very well be in trouble with IRS, if they ever found out. Will they? I would seriously be suprised if they do. Do I personally give a crap either way, or take offense that he is not paying his proper taxes or doing his expense reports by the letter? Well, hell no. My only point was 1) He is worried about whether they are paying taxes on his money, when he is not paying taxes on the very same money and 2) are they breaking the law, which he may very well be doing also. I just think it's a pot calling the kettle black, but it seems the OP found a domina to issue him a receipt, he got what he needed, and apparently she got what she needed. This is where I wish they had a "beating a dead horse" icon.[sm=mrpuffy.gif]

LotusSong -> RE: Is professional domination legal? (12/25/2007 8:05:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kc692 You are right. Truly, if his employer knows, (and I might add, everyone is assuming he is working for a publicly traded corporation, because they take umbrage at what the employer is doing) who gives a crap what he does? I imagine one of the reasons(just guessing) it's expensed instead of being included in bonuses is; bonuses are taxable, reimbursement of documented expenses are not(well, 50% since this is definitely entertainment, lol) The issue that I took with the situation was him worrying about whether the dominas were paying taxes or not, and that being one of his issues, the other being whether professional domination was also. His employer may be aware that he is fudging expenses, no problem. But since he is not reporting this as income, he may very well be in trouble with IRS, if they ever found out. Will they? I would seriously be suprised if they do. Do I personally give a crap either way, or take offense that he is not paying his proper taxes or doing his expense reports by the letter? Well, hell no. My only point was 1) He is worried about whether they are paying taxes on his money, when he is not paying taxes on the very same money and 2) are they breaking the law, which he may very well be doing also. I just think it's a pot calling the kettle black, but it seems the OP found a domina to issue him a receipt, he got what he needed, and apparently she got what she needed. This is where I wish they had a "beating a dead horse" icon.[sm=mrpuffy.gif] Yet another sterling example of the type that go to pro Dommes. Guess he found one that plays more than the BDSM type of game? What's that they say.. absolute power corrupts absolutely? I do hope he gives her a nice tip.. might as well.he doesn't intend to pay for it. What an upright and honest situation for them both.

petdave -> RE: Is professional domination legal? (12/26/2007 6:41:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lockmeupplease I think the best solution for you and all companies is for them to have a Domme on staff---Executive Vice President of Discipline. Then you can just put her on salary AND expense her equipment in the Corporate Dungeon. See, i think the solution is much simpler than that- the only obstacle is our uptight, sexually repressed culture. The expense-account folks are always upper management and high-level sales, right? So it's pretty much guaranteed that they have several, if not hundreds of people below them in the organization that would like nothing better than to beat and humiliate them. Statistically, and stereotypically, at least a few of those underlings are likely to be attractive younger women. If there were simply a safe, legal way for them to get together for a mutual exchange of needs, it would not only save the company money, but improve morale as well! Hm, do i feel a management consulting/corporate retreat scheme coming on? [:-]

MisPandora -> RE: Is professional domination legal? (12/26/2007 1:43:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AnnabelHell I've met Ms. Pandora in person, but I'm not sure she remembers me. I was Ms. Olympus Leather 2004 at the time and we were both doing the Sash-Dash thing. Nice to see you here though. =) Never know who you'll see again online. Thanks for the notes. I probably should have edited that a bit, eh? It was more like three rambling essays in one. BTW don't ever hand me a soap box. Not only does it make me amazonian tall, I won't shut up. For better or worse, the professional industry, and the lifestyle community are about all I've ever known. I went to college, I worked some real jobs but none of them every lasted or completed me like being a Dominant. I just was one and there wasn't much I could do about it. It's all I've ever really done now. I look back and I'm like whoa, is that really me? I don't feel like the person in the photos all the time, like now at home in my pajamas in front of the Christmas tree, but yeah, she's me. I got lucky when I started. The women I ended up hired by were Leather women, aside from being Professional Ladies. Their standards were very high and it set the bar high for me. They were also older women who had been in the business themselves for ten and twenty years before I'd met them. They related to me what the business was like prior to the time I experienced it. I think the main difference that I can see from the past to now is that it's so much more commercial now, and it's been sexualized. We see it on television, in movies. There's this popular stereotype of what a Dominarix is, what she looks like, and how she conducts herself. People often, like our would be corporate creep here, are looking for nothing more than that sexualized fantasy to satisfy themselves with. I really think Professional Domination and the true Dominant women who make themselves available Professionally have so much more to offer, and deserve so much better than that. Of course I remember you :-) Your previous long post was absolutely brilliant and well spoken. I couldn't possibly add anything more.

MsSaskia -> RE: Is professional domination legal? (12/26/2007 2:32:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LotusSong Yet another sterling example of the type that go to pro Dommes. Guess he found one that plays more than the BDSM type of game? What's that they say.. absolute power corrupts absolutely? I do hope he gives her a nice tip.. might as well.he doesn't intend to pay for it. What an upright and honest situation for them both. Not all our clients are like that. We do actually get some sincere and genuine submissives. Adrenalin junkies/nonsubmissives/strict fetishists are part of the job, but not the majority.

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