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RE: Unexpected Meltdown - 12/20/2007 11:29:17 AM   
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Mmmm seems that I don't live in happy valley. Most women do harbor grudges a lot longer than men. Seems like a lot wont admit it. But thats to be expected.

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RE: Unexpected Meltdown - 12/20/2007 11:33:39 AM   
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Hi
Sorry to learn this workingthroughhit.

Yeah, gotta tell ya - your meltdown sounded extreme. Maybe this is what happened? 

1. He is not perfect and neither you are . Don't try and force it - please chill out, relax.

2. My Grandmother used to say "it's darkest before the dawn". Just before deep surrender - it's takes guts to face the unknown. You can do it! :-)

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RE: Unexpected Meltdown - 12/20/2007 11:33:54 AM   
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Dnomyar when I look at my female friends I am shocked by how some of them really can harbour a grudge for ages and ages.  I have a friend who is currently making her fellas life hell becasue he had sex with somone she knows before they got together   Crazy.
I think when you realise that you have done wrong you should admit it and do what you can to fix it. Its if you didnt that you should feel ashamed of yourself.


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RE: Unexpected Meltdown - 12/20/2007 11:38:10 AM   
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I used to hold a pretty mean grudge. Hubby has taught me though example to handle feelings that are hard to let go. I agree with those posters who say women can harbor resentment more than men. I see it all the time.

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RE: Unexpected Meltdown - 12/20/2007 11:43:56 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: lovingpet
By the way, I will not punish someone who is already punishing themselves.  Just a note if you really desire to be punished. 


Funny you said that. I don't think that there is anything that he could possibly do right now that would feel worse to me than what I've been doing to myself inside of my own head.

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RE: Unexpected Meltdown - 12/20/2007 12:26:41 PM   
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Dear workingthroughit, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
The purest form of love is through grace.  The ability to forgive those who have the right to be human.  The compassion comes from being there and gone through what you lived through that night in the meltdown--the power of love, compassion, forgiveness, the right to be human and the right to be open to his blessings.
 
It is through your love, devotion, endless efforts to show your power in grace, your compassion in serving others --and more focus on the Master; has grown in interest every minute you breath.  Your power and your strength sustains him.  Thus, when you are weak--the interests you have in each other far surpasses any brief moment of being human.
 
Masters like me--well, we look at slaves like old beautiful tea cup and saucer.  Every flaw, chip and such--is carrying a bit of history, a story behind it.  It is the tea cup's character and makes it that much more special--sure, we can buy/use a new tea cup and saucer but--it does not have the entrenched spirit and familiarity of an old faithful friend who offers a Master like me, warmth and comfort every sip of tea served in that cup.  You are perfect in your Master's eyes--and I am sure he hopes you feel he is perfect for you too.
 
All I can say dear lass--you are loved through love, compassion, forgiveness and grace and entitled to be human in every respect.
 
Just some thoughts.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
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RE: Unexpected Meltdown - 12/20/2007 12:30:47 PM   
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Seeing you with everything perfect is one kind of intimacy. Seeing you when everything is at its worst and still loving you is a much deeper intimacy. Accept the gift he gave you, of loving you when you most need to be loved.

What happened last night wasn't due to last night, it was due to years worth of old pain that was dredged up by the holiday season. Accept the fact that you are not in control, that things happen, that stress sucks, and that you are a fallible human who is loved even when you don't act lovable.

Part of what goes on when we try to set up perfect scenes is that we are trying to prevent our partner from seeing the true self. You were trying to control everything so he would think you were lovable. Instead you were out of control and he still loves you.

However, next time tell him the truth. Tell him the holiday season is getting to you. Tell him you were incredibly hurt and angry that he couldn't spend the day with you. Not that you were angry at him, you were just angry. Tell him you are filled with all kinds of crazy emotions and then let him decide. Let him decide if you need to be spanked until you cry it all out in his arms. Let him decide if you need to be cuddled until you sleep, if you need to be held down while you have ten vicious orgasms in a row faster than you like them. Tell him the truth of what's going on inside you and let him have the control you claim you want him to have. Doing it this way solves the problem faster and does away with the next day guilt and shame, which by the way is also coming from old programming.

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RE: Unexpected Meltdown - 12/20/2007 1:50:25 PM   
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Yes, and he knows that.  Now are you about done with your purgatorial hell and ready to move on?

Warm wishes,
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RE: Unexpected Meltdown - 12/20/2007 2:16:50 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: workingthroughit

quote:

ORIGINAL: lovingpet
By the way, I will not punish someone who is already punishing themselves.  Just a note if you really desire to be punished. 


Funny you said that. I don't think that there is anything that he could possibly do right now that would feel worse to me than what I've been doing to myself inside of my own head.


that is the way it is when we disappoint the one we want to please the most.

my body betrays me on a regular basis, and it did again when Daddy was here last.  i cried.  he soothed me and reminded me that it was only my body that betrayed, and never my mind or heart. 

i've had flashbacks to abuse in my dominant's arms, and fought to get away even though i KNOW and KNEW at the time that i was safe.  i was reminded that wasnt me reacting to him....it was my body and mind reacting to the past.  and he knew the difference.

forgive yourself.  he's already forgiven you.

*hugs*

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RE: Unexpected Meltdown - 12/20/2007 2:26:50 PM   
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I don't know you at all, but this post  hit home with me because I have acted this way most of my life when things did not go my way.
Granted, I am bipolar.  I would suggest that you seek couseling because you are seem to be experiecing low-self worth and low self esteem which could be caused by several reasons which I don't need to know of, or understand.
I am a Domme.  I have fits of rage.  My slave can see them coming.  He is able to guide me through them.
I appreciate the way your Master handled this.  He really could have went into a deep punishment, but it would not change what you did.
Why you did it?  I don't have the answer and neither does my pschye because I asked him the other day why I was this way; however, the one thing I experience with bipolar is terrible guilt and the unability to forgive myself. 
That causes inner pain which will exploid into rage eventually. 
Sweety, what you need to do is talk with your Master, and see if there is someone you can talk with about this.  Keep a journal so you can release your anger.
 
Best wishes to you.
 
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The whole day pretty much sucked yesterday. Some of our plans ending up getting switched around. Sir was unavailable for most of the day and I felt really kind of lost. The stresses of the Holidays were running high. It all ended up culminating in a meltdown of significant magnitude. Anger poured out of me like acid. Feelings of worthlessness were soon to follow. It seemed like there was nothing that I could do to right the wrongs. I wanted it to be right. I tried to make it right. I just couldn't turn it around.  
   I was excited to finally be able to settle down with Sir for the night. I wanted to surprise him so I took a little extra time getting ready for bed. Beautiful red lace and stockings, my hair falling down my back, a few spritzes of the cologne he likes so much, lips that were flawless. I'd been rummaging through some boxes from my last move and I had come across an interesting little toy that I wanted to surprise him with. I thought it was something that he might really enjoy using on me. And then it happened. One thing, one little tiny insignificant thing that he said, and my mood went speeding into that dark zone. I tried to fight it, I really did. But it was hopeless. I couldn't find the strength I needed, the focus. Raw anger came flooding in. I was suddenly angry that I took such extra measures preparing. My clothes came off in a fit, ripping stockings into shreds. I replaced them with my most ugly, most matronly pajamas. The ones that I should have thrown out long ago but they are warm and work perfectly when I have the flu. Fuck you, fuck you, FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!! running through my head like a freight train. I felt like my efforts weren't understood, weren't appreciated. Why could he not just be happy with what I had done? Why did he have to find something to pick at? I dug my heels in and donned that anger like a shield. If I could just STAY angry, just keep holding up that shield, I wouldn't have to feel anything else. But then came the words from his mouth. "I am disappointed". Suddenly, my shield became a mirror before me. The brutal reflection of my ugliness staring back at me. Emotions flooding, unstoppable, overpowering. I suddenly felt like I might go crazy, I wanted to retreat back into my hole, curl up and die. To make it worse "I am disappointed" was followed by tenderness, caring, understanding and love. I didn't want that. I didn't want his praise. I didn't want his care. I wanted him to take my anger as his own and turn it back at me. I didn't deserve understanding. Hell, I didn't even deserve the privilege of his presence. I was ugly in a way that colored all of me. Hateful, spiteful and cruel. How could I be that way to this man who has given so much of himself, this man who has given me his patience, his guidance and his love? 
   Screams welled up inside me. My heart felt as though it might stop. That would have been ok. I wanted to cease to exist. I didn't want to feel this anymore. I was angry at myself, disappointed in myself. I hated me. How could I have allowed myself to fall so far short. In my eyes I was a failure. A horrible failure. I cursed myself. I wanted to run, to get away from him. I wanted him to punish me. I wanted to punish me. I went into the bathroom and I looked in the mirror. I balled up my fists and I hit my head. I grabbed my hair and ripped it from it's roots. I wanted to hurt. I wanted to feel the pain that I had just caused. That pain is so much easier to deal with than his disappointment. That pain is easier than having to see the hurt in him.  I wanted that pain to shut down the madness in my head. But he would not allow me to have that pain. He wrapped his arms around me and loved me in spite of myself. He lay with me and soothed me as the sobs came pouring from me. He whispered softly in my ear and held me safely until I drifted away to sleep. 
   I sat here this morning looking at the shredded remains of my stockings, holding them in my hands. I layed my face down upon them and sobbed. I grieved for the loss of the night I had hoped to give him and the intimacy that may have come from it. The night that is now lost forever and the intimacy that will never be. Something that was intended to be beautiful, now replaced with memories of ugliness. He forgave me, how can I ever forgive myself?

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RE: Unexpected Meltdown - 12/20/2007 2:35:47 PM   
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I wholeheartedly agree.  I don't think this incident was a simple matter of relational squabble and that is the reason for my persistent concern.  Whether it be medical, psychological, both, or some other factor, it just must be dealt with decisively.  It is bringing impairment to your life, OP.  I have some various issues of my own that I have to work through outside of my relationship with my spouse or any others.  It is MY process and no one else's.  Certainally your Sir will support you and guide you in the day to day, but you must be doing what will bring peace within.  Get a complete physical by an alternative practitioner and seek counseling.  Many things could be at work here. 

Hope for healing,
lovingpet

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RE: Unexpected Meltdown - 12/20/2007 3:34:58 PM   
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You are correct in that this stems from more complicated issues. While this incident is isolated it is a symptom of a larger problem. Not a problem with my relationship. I lost a family member and I had an accident that left me injured and so I have to be off work for awhile. That has put a lot of stress on me over the holiday finances.

Master has been very supportive and understanding. We've been sitting talking for the last hour or so and I am feeling much better. He has fully accepted my apology and has told me that I need to stop punishing myself (easier said than done, but I am working on it). I told him that I posted here and he immediately read it and all of the responses and pointed out to me some of the things that people here have written that he would like me to take to heart. I will share with you part of a note that he left for me earlier today, with his permission of course. I am so lucky to have him.

"Hun, remember that anger is a part of the healing process. You are going thru the different stages of grief. This is all very normal. I will be here for you no matter what you say, no matter how much anger you direct towards me. Trust Me sweety. I will be there on the other side with you in My arms. I will not allow you to chase Me away. I will stand strong beside you and guide you. I will not allow you to give up. I will not allow you to sink in all this mire you find yourself in now. I will be that beaming light for you to follow when you are surrounded by darkness.
Master"




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RE: Unexpected Meltdown - 12/20/2007 3:45:52 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: workingthroughit

You are correct in that this stems from more complicated issues. While this incident is isolated it is a symptom of a larger problem. Not a problem with my relationship. I lost a family member and I had an accident that left me injured and so I have to be off work for awhile. That has put a lot of stress on me over the holiday finances.

Master has been very supportive and understanding. We've been sitting talking for the last hour or so and I am feeling much better. He has fully accepted my apology and has told me that I need to stop punishing myself (easier said than done, but I am working on it). I told him that I posted here and he immediately read it and all of the responses and pointed out to me some of the things that people here have written that he would like me to take to heart. I will share with you part of a note that he left for me earlier today, with his permission of course. I am so lucky to have him.

"Hun, remember that anger is a part of the healing process. You are going thru the different stages of grief. This is all very normal. I will be here for you no matter what you say, no matter how much anger you direct towards me. Trust Me sweety. I will be there on the other side with you in My arms. I will not allow you to chase Me away. I will stand strong beside you and guide you. I will not allow you to give up. I will not allow you to sink in all this mire you find yourself in now. I will be that beaming light for you to follow when you are surrounded by darkness.
Master"






If someone wrote me a note like that, and meant it, and showed it in his actions, I would fight heaven and earth to make someone like that happy. (and you will hardly EVER hear me say sappy things like that on the forums).

But you should know that there are not alot of guys around like that, so be thankful for what you have. Seriously get over yourself.

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RE: Unexpected Meltdown - 12/20/2007 3:57:56 PM   
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"But you should know that there are not alot of guys around like that, so be thankful for what you have. Seriously get over yourself."

I am thankful and I think I have expressed that here over and over. I am not sure what you mean by "get over yourself". Does having and being thankful for a great man mean that I should never have a problem that I may need to seek advice for? Maybe I am reading something that isn't there but that seemed a bit harsh.

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RE: Unexpected Meltdown - 12/20/2007 4:35:39 PM   
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More CM nonsense...."The stress of the Holidays".....I don't know if I can go on now that it is apparent that I will not be able to get my hands on "Guitar Hero"....Why live at all?

Way to many folks get wrapped up into the meaningless...Don't sweat the small shit.

"I'm dissapointed" That's it? That's all he said? I would have made my escape by having you placed in the psych ward....But that's me and it is after all the Holidays, so that is probably the only actions I would have taken. For I am a giver.

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RE: Unexpected Meltdown - 12/20/2007 5:12:39 PM   
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As painful as these things can be...I find that they tend to bring you closer, bond you tighter...though that may be just me.

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RE: Unexpected Meltdown - 12/20/2007 5:12:54 PM   
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there is something i said to someone when i did almost this exact same thing with him not to long ago....

you can only be on emotional roller coaster for so long before you spew crazy, you just happened to be there when i spewed crazy...

some people can last a whole lot longer on that roller coaster than others, but eventually everyone throws up...and usually it is on the person we love the most because they are the most caring and understanding person in our lives and the one we want to be around the most....so we relax our gaurd a little and even the smallest turn can upset that twisted and torn up stomach into vomitting...and voila: crazy all over them....

as for that emotional roller coaster...and the grieving process...maybe it is time to see a therapist for a little while if you have been bottling it up for so long? so it doesn't get to this point again? doesn't mean you are crazy, very few people who see therapists are actually crazy...

take care
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RE: Unexpected Meltdown - 12/20/2007 5:25:04 PM   
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Yeah, but Red, you know as well as I do it's a lot easier to say 'get over it' than it is to do so.

Unlike loving pet, if I'm consumed in guilt and can't get over it, I will get a spanking in order to let me cry it out. He gives me what I need in order to move on.

You need grief therapy. In order to get low cost if not no cost, call Hospice. They may have a grief support group you could join. Grief work is very difficult and the anger and rage you experienced are common to it. I've been there.

Be good to yourself, you deserve it.

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RE: Unexpected Meltdown - 12/20/2007 6:56:30 PM   
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I just don't really think there is anything anyone could do to OP that would be any worse than what she has been doing to herself all day.  I absolutely agree that seeing a therapist for awhile would be a good thing.  Grief is a mighty force (been there as well, so you are not at all alone, sweetheart) and it takes many people holding on to you to keep you from getting swept away into its depths.  Your Sir is holding on to you as are your friends here, so hold on.  A counselor is just one more person to keep your hand until this time in your life passes.  PM anytime, love.

Sympathies and support,
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RE: Unexpected Meltdown - 12/20/2007 7:08:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

Men tend to forgive a transgression eaiser than women do.
Women seem to hold it in forever and will bring it up years later.


Almost correct.

"Men forget, but never forgive. Women forgive, but never forget."

Men tend to take more before something needs forgiveness, but then it's rarely, if ever, received. Even so, it is easily forgotten, put into the past. We move on, and it isn't then brought up every time something remotely similar happens. But the wounds stay, and it will take a lot of time and effort to heal those wounds, in effect to redeem the action.

Women tend not to forget, ever, but will forgive quite readily. It takes more to cause a wound that stays (at least unintentionally). But regardless of any forgiveness given, one will hear of it for all eternity, barring some form of amnesia or dementia. And, often, it will come up even when the topic isn't even remotely related. In short, it's not forgotten.

That's speaking generally, of course, but it has held true for virtually all men and women I know.

Health,
al-Aswad.


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