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RE: Who broke the front page? - 12/21/2007 1:17:22 AM   
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Can I just ask something of those who hate the new layout, anyone can reply:

What exactly is the issue with the thumbnail photos other than slowing down some of your computers? I have high speed so mine is unaffected. When someone said, "now you cannot see the profiles", you never did see the profiles. You saw only names and you still do if someone has no photo, right?

To those who say there are less on a page, less what? Matches? Perhaps I do not use the site as you all do, I don't put parameters in for matches, I just log on and find emails and go to the forums and voila. I just scroll through profiles, which you can still do.

Am I missing some usage of the site that would help me enjoy my stay more?


to answer ur question as to less what... with the new lay out, which i find annoying, there are fewer matches on one page. i do use parameters. i do not want to wast time looking threw the names of ppl i dont want to deal with and i dont wanna put ppl on a block list or hide list. i find that odd in my opinion... y block or hide someone u dont know? i log in seach for some "new meat" as several ppl have called it, check my mail and wonder over to the boards. does that make me a bad person? a bad user? a bad mind? no.. it makes me me.. i liked the old way better.. i can handle this one but i dont like it much. the photos jsut make the site less plesent and less useable in my opinion. thats the only reason i really dont like this new format..

to the ppl saying that we, the ppl who dont like this new format, should shut up becuz "its free" need to rememebr that.. if we leave.. the site loses ppl.. which in return lessens the times it looked at which makes advertisers less likely to want to put there add onthe site. whats the point if no ones gonna look at it?

sexypet (i believe thats the username) i do agree with u. i would rather have to do a poll before i was able to check my mail, hunt for "new meat" or log into the forums then get the lab rat treatement and have stuff that has tons of bugs in it and such changed on the site. but y should i leave when the site still works.. im not gonna leave.. and im not gonna shut up cuz the sites free.. it may be free but im still a user and i should have some say in what it looks like.. after all.. i do use the site. i should be able to use it the way i like.. wether its free or not.

/end rant

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RE: Who broke the front page? - 12/21/2007 4:14:48 AM   
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Well that was out of context.  i was replying to the never ending littany of "if it's free, you are not entitled to voice an opinion" way of thinking.  Clearly if you read the WHOLE thread--plus the others like it, i am not the only one who feels this way.

i do wish there were a different place to voice an opinion to management.  i really don't care to be attacked endlessly for voicing an agreement with an opinion stated in a post started by someone else, and then agreed to by a majority of other posters.  Apparently only some of us are allowed to speak freely on these message boards and apparently the number of postings is in direct proportion to how much merit said opinion has.  heh.


I totally agree, I don't like the new set up either.
Of course we can speak our minds, even if they don't change it.
 
At some point, you have to ignore those who manage to show up only
to criticize, ridicule and put others down.

We all see those that manage  to show up and do this over and over again,
no matter what the topic.
Some people have a "Slamming and putting down other members" fetish.
It certainly is there lot in life, so let them continue to do it.
Negative people have a right to be here, just as we do.
The challenge is being able to ignore them, and not sink down to their level.
 
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RE: Who broke the front page? - 12/21/2007 5:28:19 AM   
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i am so sick of the argument that because we have not paid anything, we shouldn't have a say.
How about you stop making that same dumb statement over and over?  They have money now with the advertisers, so that argument does not apply anymore, especially since they are spending time, money and resources on all this reformatting, but the same old problems still exist.

We are the users, we are the customers.  Period.  Paying or not.  The end user is the customer.

The new format on the front page sucks. Just when they finally had it looking decent, they fuck it up again.

And i would like my username to appear on a who's viewed me page, either with or without my pic. i picked this name for a reason and i lose the effect of this reason when Collarme eliminates my user name.  i am more than just a face, thank you.


Well!!!!

You certainly told THEM!!!!

By GAWWWWD CollarMe.com....you better get off your fat gawdammed asses and start shaking things up around here....or we're all going to take our mone....wait....our....well....you just wait....we'll take something away....

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RE: Who broke the front page? - 12/21/2007 5:56:11 AM   
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In reply to those who are freaking out about trolls & their belief that this new format will increase their trolls hits...

There is one guaranteed method of avoiding trolls
delete your profile

There is another great way to ward off a large percentage of trolls
don't post a pic

Outside of that... learn to move on. Why express so much time, energy & emotion on matter that will remain a constant. Trolls have always been online & they will always be online. After you've been online for a while things such as this really don't matter all that much.


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RE: Who broke the front page? - 12/21/2007 6:09:29 AM   
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I have so many trolls and no fits and whatnots hidden that my page (even with six on it) changes maybe once an hour. Even in the long format it might change once every half hour.

I like the pictures.

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RE: Who broke the front page? - 12/21/2007 6:38:05 AM   
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i like the old way better, just because it was easier to see when friends had been on most recently.  

id say that collarme can do what they wish to, and will...im glad to have access to it.

id also think it is perfectly acceptable to offer an opinion on something new.  like or dislike.  they can read the opinions and may or not make changes based on them.

it did entertain the heck outa me, reading this thread, to see, once again, i will no longer respond to you on this thread, followed by many many more responses. 

no matter the format, this site is always entertaining and sometimes educational.

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RE: Who broke the front page? - 12/21/2007 7:07:55 AM   
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I notice they increased the displayed result set... BETTER. It *might* be the compromise between the performance limits of the infrastructure, and the best format for displaying data... ( FWIW, I like larger sets... 50 at a minimum... But well understand how you can't make these Windows boxes work too hard... )

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RE: Who broke the front page? - 12/21/2007 7:54:13 AM   
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seems to me..there is alot of whining about a free site that offers way more than most

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RE: Who broke the front page? - 12/21/2007 7:59:03 AM   
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Just because you are a User, doesn't mean your input isn't relevant.

The idea of "Suck up and accept what you get", may work in the world of software which you may be accustomed to, but in REAL software development environments there is a dialog between the developers and users, and while there's no EXPLICIT thread specifically for communicating with the developers, it's clear to me that they are listening and doing a pretty good job at being responsive to the useful comments...

Of course, when you open up the floor for *useful* comments, you're going to have to listen to the *useless* comments too.




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RE: Who broke the front page? - 12/21/2007 8:15:51 AM   
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You know, I am sick of you complaining dorks. I was the ONLY person who EVEN tried to RATIONALLY EXPLAIN the set up of the site, and how it is NOT A PROFITABLE ADVERTISING MODEL.

MOD 11 confirmed what I took my precious time to write. And guess what? All the negative posters (sexypet??) who say no one listens to them rant and rave, not ONE of them acknowledged the practicality of what I contributed. Apparently no one posting here who is complaining has one iota of knowledge of what it takes to design a pay per click advertising model.

Normally, I could give a rat's ass in hell of what anyone replies to a post of mine but in this case since I do feel I provided the legitimate reason of why collarme is not falling over themselves trying to HEAR you all and no one cares to listen, NOW I AM PISSED OFF.

Go peddle your complaints to a pay site. If you choose to stay here, deal with it, you sorry fuckers.

Ok, I am happy now.

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RE: Who broke the front page? - 12/21/2007 8:17:35 AM   
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A site is able to do anything they please except keep people from leaving.

Highly unlikely that this issue will be the one that causes any such problems, but the notion that there is never any possible downside to ignoring free users has an obvious flaw to it.

It would seem an intelligent move to listen to comments and preferences just in case there were to be a drastic change which could drive away people.

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RE: Who broke the front page? - 12/21/2007 8:22:09 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Griswold

quote:

ORIGINAL: sexypet

i am so sick of the argument that because we have not paid anything, we shouldn't have a say.
How about you stop making that same dumb statement over and over?  They have money now with the advertisers, so that argument does not apply anymore, especially since they are spending time, money and resources on all this reformatting, but the same old problems still exist.

We are the users, we are the customers.  Period.  Paying or not.  The end user is the customer.

The new format on the front page sucks. Just when they finally had it looking decent, they fuck it up again.

And i would like my username to appear on a who's viewed me page, either with or without my pic. i picked this name for a reason and i lose the effect of this reason when Collarme eliminates my user name.  i am more than just a face, thank you.


Well!!!!

You certainly told THEM!!!!

By GAWWWWD CollarMe.com....you better get off your fat gawdammed asses and start shaking things up around here....or we're all going to take our mone....wait....our....well....you just wait....we'll take something away....

(How DARE they treat us like this!!!!)


!!!!!!

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RE: Who broke the front page? - 12/21/2007 8:23:40 AM   
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I notice they increased the displayed result set... BETTER. It *might* be the compromise between the performance limits of the infrastructure, and the best format for displaying data... ( FWIW, I like larger sets... 50 at a minimum... But well understand how you can't make these Windows boxes work too hard... )


More results would affect the speed of page display which is a concern for some users that do not have high speed connections.

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RE: Who broke the front page? - 12/21/2007 9:11:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

You know, I am sick of you complaining dorks. I was the ONLY person who EVEN tried to RATIONALLY EXPLAIN the set up of the site, and how it is NOT A PROFITABLE ADVERTISING MODEL.

MOD 11 confirmed what I took my precious time to write. And guess what? All the negative posters (sexypet??) who say no one listens to them rant and rave, not ONE of them acknowledged the practicality of what I contributed. Apparently no one posting here who is complaining has one iota of knowledge of what it takes to design a pay per click advertising model.


Why do you presuppose monetizing the traffic is the primary goal?



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RE: Who broke the front page? - 12/21/2007 10:02:49 AM   
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The site was free even before the changes, and I don't see what the real benefit of having all the thumbnails is.  It's a lot different from the advertising, which actually helps keep this site afloat.  This is just a cosmetic change, and a lot of people don't like it.  It's not as if users couldn't see other users' photos before the change.  All they had to do was click on that users' profile, or use the "browse photos" option.

I think that just because some (or, it seems, many) people are expressing a preference for the old layout doesn't mean that they are not appreciative of all the other positive attributes about Collarme.  I don't see why it has to be such a black-and-white issue for some people.  By the way, count me in among those people who do not like the new look on the front page.  It would be much better if either a) more than 8 profiles at a time would appear (or, there was a setting, as there is on some other sites, to choose how many profiles you will see per page), or b) there was an option to toggle the thumbnails on or off.


Indeed! I was one of the first to say I do not like the new layout. However, I did not ask for the old one back nor did I ask for anything. Everything seems to be working for me fine. I simply made a statement of fact that my opinion is, I do not like the new layout. If I were to add anything to that, it would be that it makes it in a way appear amateurish where it did not before.

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RE: Who broke the front page? - 12/21/2007 10:07:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle


quote:

ORIGINAL: sexyred1

You know, I am sick of you complaining dorks. I was the ONLY person who EVEN tried to RATIONALLY EXPLAIN the set up of the site, and how it is NOT A PROFITABLE ADVERTISING MODEL.

MOD 11 confirmed what I took my precious time to write. And guess what? All the negative posters (sexypet??) who say no one listens to them rant and rave, not ONE of them acknowledged the practicality of what I contributed. Apparently no one posting here who is complaining has one iota of knowledge of what it takes to design a pay per click advertising model.


Why do you presuppose monetizing the traffic is the primary goal?




What do you think the goal of most websites are? Unless it is a blog or informational site, most dating sites, which I think collarme can be classified as, are in it for the eventual goal of making money.

Unless this is purely a labor of love on the part of the owners, in which case, that makes the complaints even more unjustified as then money would have nothing to do it.

If the site owners are not motivated by money and only by their own personal reasons for having the site up, then why risk losing such a fun site by complaining about aesthetics?

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RE: Who broke the front page? - 12/21/2007 10:22:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

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Well it must be a wonderful place to live, that place where mediocrity and substandard conditions are considered preferred because they are "free".  It just isn't a valid argument.  A simple search of previous forum posts will prove i have always desired a pay site where one might have input.  Whether or not i paypaled a donation, didn't achieve the desired effect because it still did not ever provide me the opportunity to be heard.

The powers that be would benefit from a bit of training in Total Quality Management, which has been clearly lacking for some time.  That is, the following four process steps, namely:
  1. Kaizen – Focuses on "Continuous Process Improvement", to make processes visible, repeatable and measurable.
  2. Atarimae Hinshitsu – The idea that "things will work as they are supposed to" (for example, a pen will write).
  3. Kansei – Examining the way the user applies the product leads to improvement in the product itself.
  4. Miryokuteki Hinshitsu – The idea that "things should have an aesthetic quality" (for example, a pen will write in a way that is pleasing to the writer).





They are missing the boat on all 4 points, including valuing the opinion of its users, considering it is us users who click on their valuable advertisers links.

A smarter approach would be to poll its users as to desired site changes instead of randomly force feeding BETA testing down our throats when clearly we are here for something other than being their lab rats.


I do have to say, that you have some valid points there, sexypet. However, I will tell you this. My field is advertising and marketing, so I do know a bit about target marketing. You are making some statements about a purely business decision.

The advertisers on this site are here for what we call CPC or Cost Per Click. It is the latest online advertising model. It used to be cost per thousand, but google changed the business model. Now who advertises here? All sex/kink related sites, right? Well, they really do not care very much about the demographics or psychographics of this site, as much as say, a consumer package goods, or consumer healthcare advertiser would.

All the collarme advertisers care about is volume, sheer numbers of click throughs to their sites. That is what they pay for. So if you and I and the many other people here never click through to those ads, the site is not getting paid. So we are back to the essential model of a free site that is almost self supporting with limited revenue streams from these click through ads.

If the day comes that more mainstream or legitimate advertisers come aboard, then in order to pay for larger ads, they will need audience numbers, traffic figures, share of voice, page views, unique hits, etc. Then collarme could ask for more money upfront before a flight runs. Then collarme would be able to provide proof of audience and then they could charge us for using the site. That way, they would have legitimate quantitative data to provide to advertisers because they would require it under that model. Now they don't.

This may not help your frustration with not being heard here, but the grim reality is that given this business model, I am sure whomever runs this site cares only to a small degree about what we like or dislike about the site, contrary to what you think they might care relevant to advertisers.

And again, you have the freedom of choice to utilize the site or not as you do to complain.


I tried to provided a rationale here and no one cares, waaaaaaaaaaa.


Awww I do red and read it with great interest as I use click through on my own website. I agree completely with what you have offered, but I still just don't appreciate the look of the front page. That being said, I am rarely on the front page unless I am checking for new CMails or wanting to send one.

MWAAAAH!

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RE: Who broke the front page? - 12/21/2007 10:26:05 AM   
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Maybe the "grim reality" is that they want to provide the world's only meaningful free BDSM website, and they bring in advertisers only in order to make that a possibility.  Ever thought of that business model?

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This may not help your frustration with not being heard here, but the grim reality is that given this business model, I am sure whomever runs this site cares only to a small degree about what we like or dislike about the site, contrary to what you think they might care relevant to advertisers.

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RE: Who broke the front page? - 12/21/2007 10:29:20 AM   
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RE: Who broke the front page? - 12/21/2007 10:31:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Maybe the "grim reality" is that they want to provide the world's only meaningful free BDSM website, and they bring in advertisers only in order to make that a possibility.  Ever thought of that business model?

quote:

ORIGINAL: sexyred1

This may not help your frustration with not being heard here, but the grim reality is that given this business model, I am sure whomever runs this site cares only to a small degree about what we like or dislike about the site, contrary to what you think they might care relevant to advertisers.



WTF? Hello? I agree with you, which part of my many posts explaining this did you not understand?

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