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ORIGINAL: vanvonwitz

About the "wank fodder", let me tell you that you are totally wrong. The question, was placed for a simple reason - the way i feel about the obligatory and traditional position of the male in a relation. Because, if what it is said in the article by Gil Martin, is true, maibe i am not so submissive as I tought, maybe was just an expression of the way i perceive things. So I am sorry I ofended someone with my curiosity and need to have some honest opinions about the subject.

In the question about female/male lesbian couples, the question was related primarily with the possibility of an heterosexual female, to engage in a relation with someone that feels like a "male lesbian" - The Gil Martin defenition. - "All wanted to keep their male genitalia; all wanted to remain as males. However, all deeply envied the perogatives of the female gender and truly believed that these perogatives fitted their own inborn temperaments far more harmoniously than the pattern of behavioral expectations to which males are required to adhere."
 
But thanks anyway, it is always good to know all the opinions, even if some are not as serious as others, because variance always brings richness to all.

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ORIGINAL: vanvonwitz

About the "wank fodder", let me tell you that you are totally wrong. The question, was placed for a simple reason - the way i feel about the obligatory and traditional position of the male in a relation. Because, if what it is said in the article by Gil Martin, is true, maibe i am not so submissive as I tought, maybe was just an expression of the way i perceive things. So I am sorry I ofended someone with my curiosity and need to have some honest opinions about the subject.

In the question about female/male lesbian couples, the question was related primarily with the possibility of an heterosexual female, to engage in a relation with someone that feels like a "male lesbian" - The Gil Martin defenition. - "All wanted to keep their male genitalia; all wanted to remain as males. However, all deeply envied the perogatives of the female gender and truly believed that these perogatives fitted their own inborn temperaments far more harmoniously than the pattern of behavioral expectations to which males are required to adhere."
 
But thanks anyway, it is always good to know all the opinions, even if some are not as serious as others, because variance always brings richness to all.

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ORIGINAL: darchChylde

perhaps in the case of a man who honestly gender identifies as a woman, yet still is attracted to women

but i can't help but think of the immature junior high boasts of being a "lesbian trapped in a man's body"

i think that this can be a serious issue, but would more commonly be a juvenile claim by an idiot

edited to add this link: http://www.love-shy.com/Gilmartin/Chapter05/Malelesbian.html

as far as a female/male lesbian couple; i just don't see it happening without gender reassignment surgery, as a lesbian by definition is not turned on by the bits and pieces that physically mark one as male... but hey, anything is possible

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ORIGINAL: eevin

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ORIGINAL: darchChylde

perhaps in the case of a man who honestly gender identifies as a woman, yet still is attracted to women

but i can't help but think of the immature junior high boasts of being a "lesbian trapped in a man's body"

i think that this can be a serious issue, but would more commonly be a juvenile claim by an idiot

edited to add this link: http://www.love-shy.com/Gilmartin/Chapter05/Malelesbian.html

as far as a female/male lesbian couple; i just don't see it happening without gender reassignment surgery, as a lesbian by definition is not turned on by the bits and pieces that physically mark one as male... but hey, anything is possible

It was me in a recent post that commented about being a lesbian traped in a man's body.  It does very much express how i feel becuase i have NEVER felt comfortable being the male i was born as, but i have yet to find a male as attractive as i do women.

i'm sorry if you think so little of my discomfort in life as to beleive me juvinile...

Just an addition, but if i had the money, and the chance, and the assurance that it wouldn't make sex any less pleasing for me than it is now, i would have this thing removed tomorrow.

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ORIGINAL: eevin

i'm sorry, darch.  i've just had to deal with a lot of closed-minded people over the last couple of years, when i finally admitted this to myself and those close to me.  i had just missunderstood part of your post, and took it wrongly.  Please forgive me for being so hasty.

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ORIGINAL: darchChylde
as far as a female/male lesbian couple; i just don't see it happening without gender reassignment surgery, as a lesbian by definition is not turned on by the bits and pieces that physically mark one as male... but hey, anything is possible

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ORIGINAL: aidan
In my relationships I'm usually the partner who's doting, nurturing, and more emotionally open. I really do prefer to be the one pursued and courted, always liked when a woman showed an interest and asked me out. And, of course, I've always prefered women to be dominant in the relationship. I've never been fully comfortable with most other men, especially talking about sex, because they always seemed brutish and withdrawn, and I felt ostracized for not being the same.

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ORIGINAL: Drifa



For most of the women I know, they've said in various discussions that they are lesbian because they didn't connect emotionally with males. Though I have known a couple or women who were waaay out on the end of the Kinsey scale who probably would physically vomit if they saw naked boy bits.

My take is that most people are not at one extreme end or the other of the Kinsey... we're mostly somewhere in-between in varying degrees.  It's quite possible to be bi-sexual and choose to be lesbian (my case... I can enjoy sex with either, but my Lady rocks my world and I've been exclusively lesbian since I met her all those years ago).

On the converse, I have a group of women-friends who self-identify as "Het-Dykes". If you met one on the street, you might guess they were lesbians -- they affect the classic stereotypical lesbian look of unshaven legs, Birkenstocks, plaid flannel shirts.  They are consciously rejecting societal expectations for "attractiveness" and "fashion", yet they seem to find and enjoy plenty of male admirers.  I also think that these ladies, were they into kink, would make fabulous dommes -- they are all strong and assertive.  One of these ladies is married, and her husband calls her "the meanest three women I know" -- to which she gives a Cheshire cat smile and says sweetly "Thank you, honey! What a nice compliment!"

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pixelslave wrote: Is there a full moon tonight?

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pixelslave wrote: Is there a full moon tonight?
beeble wrote: I think you might be confusing the concepts of `male lesbian' and `werewolf'.

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ORIGINAL: beeble

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pixelslave wrote: Is there a full moon tonight?
beeble wrote: I think you might be confusing the concepts of `male lesbian' and `werewolf'.

I'm sorry -- that answer was incorrect.  The correct answer is, `yes.'

It's okay beeble.  It's been a far more interesting discussion than I expected!

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ORIGINAL: vanvonwitz

Greetings,

I recently found the concept - "male lesbian", which is very interesting, but it looks somewhat strange. Would like to know if it is real, or not. And if there realy are any female-male lesbian couples.

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ORIGINAL: aidan

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ORIGINAL: vanvonwitz

About the "wank fodder", let me tell you that you are totally wrong. The question, was placed for a simple reason - the way i feel about the obligatory and traditional position of the male in a relation. Because, if what it is said in the article by Gil Martin, is true, maibe i am not so submissive as I tought, maybe was just an expression of the way i perceive things. So I am sorry I ofended someone with my curiosity and need to have some honest opinions about the subject.

In the question about female/male lesbian couples, the question was related primarily with the possibility of an heterosexual female, to engage in a relation with someone that feels like a "male lesbian" - The Gil Martin defenition. - "All wanted to keep their male genitalia; all wanted to remain as males. However, all deeply envied the perogatives of the female gender and truly believed that these perogatives fitted their own inborn temperaments far more harmoniously than the pattern of behavioral expectations to which males are required to adhere."
 
But thanks anyway, it is always good to know all the opinions, even if some are not as serious as others, because variance always brings richness to all.

Totally with you, glad you're posting, just some advice though: in the future, consider making information like this part of the Original Post. Clarity and detail are a big part of communication anywhere online, but especially this board.

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ORIGINAL: aidan

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ORIGINAL: darchChylde
edited to add this link:
http://www.love-shy.com/Gilmartin/Chapter05/Malelesbian.html

I know this subject's gonna get a lot of flak, but I really want to discuss this link.

I actually identify a lot with what that portion of the study shored up.

I've even jokingly said before that I was a "guy lesbian". A lot of the roles and feelings that are traditionally associated with women in heterosexual relationships are things that I exhibit. In my relationships I'm usually the partner who's doting, nurturing, and more emotionally open. I really do prefer to be the one persued and courted, always liked when a woman showed an interest and asked me out. And, of course, I've always prefered women to be dominant in the relationship. I've never been fully comfortable with most other men, especially talking about sex, because they always seemed brutish and withdrawn, and I felt ostracized for not being the same.

The OP may have started the thread as a lark, or looking for wanking fodder, but I think this could get some traction if we thought about it seriously.

Would you like to expand on this aidan?  I think a lot of what you're describing to some extent goes along with being submissive toward women for many men, but has nothing to do with being a "male lesbian"; a phrase like many others in this thread, I find inappropriate.  However, if you want to talk about where you and perhaps male subs in general fall on the spectrum of what are typically female associated emotions/behaviors vs. typically male associated emotions/behaviors, I'm game and all for that.  

which showed I had somewhat more femine traits than masculine traits.  According to them, I was only slightly on the feminine side of things, but wasn't surprised in the least.