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RE: collared - 8/25/2005 2:48:16 PM

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again thankyou everyone for their comments. all very interesting.

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RE: collared - 8/26/2005 11:07:43 PM

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JohnWarren,
I have read your book, and respect what you have to say. I'm curious about your comment about you not having heard the term "collared" before the Internet. I know D/s, bdsm, has been around for a long time, so what terms were used for Master/slave? Were there ceremonies like people have now? I'm a little shocked to think this is something that recent.
Can you shed a little light on this for me?
thanks!

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RE: collared - 8/27/2005 12:05:51 AM

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ORIGINAL: felineone

JohnWarren,
I have read your book, and respect what you have to say. I'm curious about your comment about you not having heard the term "collared" before the Internet. I know D/s, bdsm, has been around for a long time, so what terms were used for Master/slave? Were there ceremonies like people have now? I'm a little shocked to think this is something that recent.
Can you shed a little light on this for me?
thanks!

The thing you have to remember was that prior to 1970 or so, there weren't any open organizations for those with consensual BDSM interests. Mostly we existed only as couples or small groups. Thus there wasn't much chance to "build a culture."

I'm sure there were ceremonies, but they were a lot like the toys... we made them up as we went along.

What has been called The Old Guard (post 1945) was heavy into ceremonies, drawing as it did from the military tradition, but since it was exclusively gay, someone like myself rarely got a chance even to observe let alone participate.

Earlier legendary groups like The Hellfire Club of over a century ago, also had its ceremonies but wasn't much like our modern view since according to most historians "consent" was purchased rather than obtained freely and it seemed to have vanished rather than being a precursor for present day activities.

Our terminology was very limited. "Slave", "Master", "Sadist" and "Masochist" was pretty much all we had.

The 90's was pretty much when the explosion of information sharing took off. My book was only the second non-fiction treatment of this for the heterosexual scene.

You are living in the Good New Days.

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RE: collared - 8/27/2005 10:48:14 AM

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I feel privilaged to be young in such a liberating time.

So much for us to learn, and so much for us all to discover. The lifestyle is still half a mystery. Its very exciting to watch it evolve, and refine itself.

Alas with the whole mainstream effects its been getting ever since shows like KinK and the like came out, we're facing a small sub-culture of the lifestyle shooting off, which is just mainly a less serious group of people that are mainly just into the image of the lifestyle. At least thats my opinion, and well whatever actual stock that has lol.

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