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RE: Self-Mastery - 12/28/2007 6:01:32 PM   
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RE: Self-Mastery - 12/28/2007 6:17:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		I bought the book Orion, and it is the lower Tan Tien exercise of Chi Kung.... I have been doing it, interesting perspective.  I actually liked that book.....I cannot yet lift a wet bath towel on my stiffie like the old days, but I am working on it.

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RE: Self-Mastery - 12/28/2007 6:55:57 PM   
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In that case, I too am self- mastered. lol
 
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I take great satisfaction in knowing that this thread, aimed at sharing a few ideas, has steered a few lads and lasses towards understanding their wanking potential.

The BBC wouldn't air this debauchery.

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RE: Self-Mastery - 12/28/2007 6:57:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

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ORIGINAL: charmdpetKeira


In that case, I too am self- mastered. lol
 
k


I take great satisfaction in knowing that this thread, aimed at sharing a few ideas, has steered a few lads and lasses towards understanding their wanking potential.

The BBC wouldn't air this debauchery.


I Master myself......regularly.

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RE: Self-Mastery - 12/28/2007 7:06:00 PM   
MistressNoName


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Status: offline 		I guess it's too late, then to offer the ever-popular Seinfeld chuckle...

And hey, I love the BBC for airing debauchery far more debauch than this!!


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RE: Self-Mastery - 12/28/2007 7:07:48 PM   
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I take great satisfaction in knowing that this thread, aimed at sharing a few ideas, has steered a few lads and lasses towards understanding their wanking potential.

The BBC wouldn't air this debauchery.
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I know it is my own weakness that causes me to follow the antics of Mnottertail, I just can’t help it, he is so damn funny.
 
*Hangs her head in shame. “Bad pet”*
 
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RE: Self-Mastery - 12/28/2007 7:13:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: charmdpetKeira

I know it is my own weakness that causes me to follow the antics of Mnottertail, I just can’t help it, he is so damn funny.
 
*Hangs her head in shame. “Bad pet”*
 
k



I'm a liberal, and well versed in mutual aid, so if one of my threads results in a communal wank, then I'm not about to step in and spoil the feast.

Where's Bull when you need conversation eh.

< Message edited by NorthernGent -- 12/28/2007 7:14:09 PM >

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RE: Self-Mastery - 12/28/2007 7:17:40 PM   
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< Message edited by charmdpetKeira -- 12/28/2007 7:18:13 PM >

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RE: Self-Mastery - 12/28/2007 7:31:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: xBullx

Our minds leave us to believe that even a God has limitations he must endure, the creature "Q" of Star Trek fame comes to mind.


The more you have, the less you stand to gain. The more power you have, the less you can strive for. The more you know, the less you can learn. And, perhaps most profound among such things: the more you have done, the less you have left to do. A life unlived has ultimate potential, but no accomplishments. A "perfect" life has no potential, but infinite accomplishments. Therein lies the closest thing to a final limitation that our minds can grasp, I think.

I think most good men strive toward the elusive goal of perfection.
But what would we do if it were attainable?
Do we fear succeeding?

Therein lies the final answer to the question of whether one would be a god or an animal, I think:

Would you shy away from perfection if it were within your reach?

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What if you had forever as your termination date, what if you couldn't imagine the vibrancy found within fear and uncertainty. Many of the factors that are discovered within our mortal beings might surely be found envious to a God.


Possession. It's the ultimate Reality TV. Or incarnation (angels falling to Earth?). Basically, you can either watch people live their lives, or you can live them for them, or you can be born into their lives, time and time again. It all depends on what you might be able to do in such a state. Perhaps the creator of all things walks among us, and always has, but ever in a state of self-inflicted amnesia, except between lives. Maybe we all are.

It depends on whether there is anything beyond yourself; if there isn't... well... ehyeh asher ehyeh...

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I love the idea of magic or supernatural powers. But is that truly beyond the gifts of a man?


Now, that's an interesting question, isn't it?

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Taking that into consideration, it almost sounds boring to be a God.


Not so much boring as different; I doubt the term boring has much meaning in such a state. Certainly, if being a god entails stepping outside time, some concepts must be left behind. In truth, a god of the ultimate scale is perfect in the sense of being complete, finite and done, all permutations of all time already contained within. But I doubt that is what NG was asking about. Anyway, if you get too bored, why not take up gardening?

I hear there was fertile soil for that on the plains of Edin, a few thousand years ago.

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Wait, what about the Herculean effect? Could I get some of this half and half thing going on around here? That might prove rather awesome.


You take Hercules, Ron takes Thor, and I'll take Uriel?

Who will be the fourth horseman?

Health,
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RE: Self-Mastery - 12/28/2007 7:34:44 PM   
Vendaval


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Status: offline 		After pondering the question a bit I would say that "self-mastery" is more about accepting all the potential consequences
of one's own behavior, whether rational or reckless.    

So whether you stay in on a weekend night and remain sober or go out partying until daybreak with your friends
you can accept either the boredom or the hang-over.   

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RE: Self-Mastery - 12/28/2007 7:42:36 PM   
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Who will be the fourth horseman?


Hotei


Arrigato, al-Aswad.

Hai!!!!!


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RE: Self-Mastery - 12/28/2007 7:49:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Now that I have self-mastered myself, I am back to posting, yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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RE: Self-Mastery - 12/28/2007 7:52:16 PM   
Aswad


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Who will be your Enyo, then?
We still need a fourth rider, tho'.

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RE: Self-Mastery - 12/28/2007 8:37:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sexyred1
Now that I have self-mastered myself, I am back to posting, yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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RE: Self-Mastery - 12/28/2007 8:41:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aswad

What, you want Ares now?
Who will be your Enyo, then?
We still need a fourth rider, tho'.

Health,
al-Aswad.



difference in horses across the continents, I have nominated HOTEI as the fourth for golfing the world.

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RE: Self-Mastery - 12/28/2007 9:11:18 PM   
Aswad


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RE: Self-Mastery - 12/29/2007 3:44:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: charmdpetKeira

I am working on a theory that dispels ethics as I once thought of them; in terms of right/wrong, good/bad. I find your preceding post to Bull to be inspirational, as I had already discerned the only way to fight fear is to stop being afraid. Perhaps soon, I will feel confident enough to share.
 


I imagine this is a process common to most people - it certainly was/is to me - pride comes before a fall. Of course, there are some probable truths out there; for example, murder isn't exactly neighbourly, don't lose sight of that!

In terms of fear, well, people crave security, but are so fearful that it undermines their security. There are ways 'round this: believe what you see, keep shackles like the bank to an absolute bare minimum, live according to your means, the world is the same for those of us fortunate enough to be born to decent parents in a prosperous nation - some see the bad, others see the good - optimism/pessimism tells the story of personal approach, rather than the world, perhaps

People aren't gods; you try and fail, so what, get back on the horse and have another go. Guilt is a bind.

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ORIGINAL: charmdpetKeira

I am thinking along the lines of (perceived) experiences + environmental conditioning + personality / ability to reason = individual.
 


Agreed, I can think of a few enlightened thinkers who support your point of view: Machiavelli, Sartre, Nietzsche, Locke, Hobbes, Spinoza - all influenced by the circumstances of the day and their personal experiences. I tend to think that we're very easily manipulated; fashion is a good example, walk in a club and they all look the same: there's one person who's been cloned a 1000 times. I suppose part of the trick is not to ride the wave of fad pursuits.

Regardless of all else, you've got to be in it to win it. Good luck!

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RE: Self-Mastery - 12/29/2007 4:02:12 AM   
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NG, I agree.
My mother told me that when my great grandfather came to the U.S. from Sligo, Ireland in the 1870's welfare was, "you don't work, you don't eat."
No "entitlement" programs in those days.
His first job in the U.S. was as a grave digger.


It's fair to say we disagree on the welfare issue, Popeye. If the day comes when there is equal access to opportunity in England, then you won't find me working for an organisation that is 25% public funded; welfare doesn't equate to entitlement for me, it's more a case of a guiding hand back into employment: it makes economic sense for the wider community.

When liberalism and conservatism began to develop out of the feudal system, the lines were drawn along optimism/pessimism with regard to human nature - Spinoza, Locke are examples of liberals, Hobbes and Machiavelli were authoritarians/conservatives who had a very pessimistic (bordering on fanatical) view of human nature. I appreciate you have a different definition over there, but I'm quite optimisitic about human nature - give people the opportunity and they'll grasp at it, that's why I think welfare channelled appropriately makes economic sense for the whole community.

Lucky for your Great Grandfather and his family that he wasn't disabled, then!

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RE: Self-Mastery - 12/29/2007 4:14:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		In my mind self-mastery involves breaking away from some of the beliefs/ideologies that surround us eg formal religion, letting go of many of the trappings eg plasma tv and choosing to make choices that will not always be understood by others eg. giving up a secure job to pursue a dream.  By letting go of these external influences and focusing instead on our internal needs rather than wants we can identify what is important in our lives, maybe get rid of some of the crippling debts if we stop chasing the house/car/possessions that many strive for.  Simplifying my life has given me much more freedom, much more joy, much more control, less input from banks etc and finally I am embracing the person that I am even if I do not fit neatly into a box predetermined by others.

Have a safe and joyful 2008 everyone.

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RE: Self-Mastery - 12/30/2007 3:54:13 AM   
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Often the choice to do nothing, is a better choice. Many feel the need to do something, and in their haste, may make the situation worse. I have found that reacting or acting, is easier than doing nothing, and often there is nothing that can be done.



Makes sense to me. There's little use in reacting to a situation outside of a person's sphere of influence, but I suppose doing nothing is doing something.

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