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RE: The word "Master" - Who cares? - 8/25/2005 9:03:31 AM   
DsrtMyst


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ManOwner:

Before I joined the online kink community, I always thought a slave should call me "Master." I hate that I have grown accustomed to "Mistress" instead, and now "Master" sounds strange to me. I really hate the fact that male subs are not used to calling a female "Master," and I have to explain my point of view to them, and then they still don't quite get it. It's discursive violence against women, if you ask me.


I know that male subs use the title Mistress with respect. Only, to my ears it has never sounded half as submissive or deferential as Master. The Ma'am/Sir thing is more complicated. I don't think it's entirely the same thing as Master/Mistress, because throughout my life I have seen the title Master used for a female quite a bit. I do not feel right being called Sir, although I have noticed on Star Trek: TNG that they do call women that in The Future. Ma'am is about the only thing I feel comfortable being called by a male sub that I don't own, since I can't think of anything better at present.


You can be "a master" and not be addressed as "Master." There are several women masters in my local MAsT chapter who do not use "Master" as a form of address. However, I do. It is purely personal preference and is not defined by gender identity.

There is a movement in national BDSM circles (events, groups, contests, etc) that is best summed up by a recent presentation entitled "Ma'am, Master, Ma'am." More and more people are accepting that women choose to be "Master" rather than "Mistress" or "Lady" or "Contesse" or "Goddess", etc., Unless the person is of the Butch Lesbian/Bisexual or Military background and prefers "Sir," it is expected that she is "Ma'am."

The more we make our preferences known -- and our willingness to explain the reasoning behind it -- the more "acceptable" and "normal" it will become. Three years ago I only knew one or two female Masters anywhere and I was the only one in my community. Now I know dozens and the people in my community know that when boy says "Master" he is referring to a woman. --And they know when I say "boy" I am also referring to a bio-woman ;-)

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RE: The word "Master" - 8/25/2005 9:16:17 AM   
IronBear


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Status: offline 		I cheat if I'm not in "Word" and access "WebWord" as its sitting on my task bar... Thus here is what it has to say:
Domineering

Verb:
Rule or exercise power over (somebody) in a cruel and autocratic manner.

Adjective:
Tending to domineer.

Synonym:
Tyrannizing

Antonym:
Submissive

Type of:
Ballyragging, bossing around, browbeating, bullying, bullyragging, hectoring, pushing around, strong-arming.


Dominant

Noun:
(Music) the fifth note of the diatonic scale

Adjective:
1. Exercising influence or control.
2. Of genes; producing the same phenotype whether its allele is identical or dissimilar

Antonym:
1. Recessive.
2. Subordinate

Attributes:
1. Position.
2. Status.

See also:
Superior.

Master

Noun:
1. An artist of consummate skill.
2. A person who has general authority over others.
3. A combatant who is able to defeat rivals.
4. Presiding officer of a school.
5. Directs the work of other.
6. An original creation (i.e., an audio recording) from which copies can be made.
7. An officer who is licensed to command a merchant ship.
8. Someone who holds a master's degree from academic institution.
9. An authority qualified to teach apprentices.
10. Key that secures entrance everywhere.

Verb:
1. Be or become completely proficient or skilled in.
2. Get on top of; deal with successfully.
3. Have dominance or the power to defeat over.
4. Have a firm understanding or knowledge of; be on top of.

Adjective:
1. Highly skilled or proficient" "a master plumber".
2. Controlling




< Message edited by IronBear -- 8/25/2005 9:17:11 AM >

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RE: The word "Master" - Who cares? - 8/25/2005 9:26:05 AM   
Lordandmaster


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Status: offline 		I really think this whole issue is relevant to scenesters and no one else. People are who they are. They aren't a bunch of words.

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RE: The word "Master" - Who cares? - 8/25/2005 9:27:31 AM   
LadyAngelika


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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

I really think this whole issue is relevant to scenesters and no one else. People are who they are. They aren't a bunch of words.

Well put LaM.

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RE: The word "Master" - Who cares? - 8/25/2005 9:28:37 AM   
Lordandmaster


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RE: The word "Master" - Who cares? - 8/25/2005 9:45:51 AM   
LadyAngelika


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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster
You're back!

And on top ;-)

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RE: The word "Master" - 8/25/2005 10:04:27 AM   
Lordandmaster


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Status: offline 		The point is that it seems pretty idle to blast people for using the word "dominate" as a noun when the word "dominant" isn't a noun either.

Don't get me wrong; it irritates me too when people say things like "I am a dominate." But the example shows how subjective and malleable all this is. When people say, "Dominate is a verb, Dominant is a noun. You cannot be a verb," they're really just saying "I want other people to talk the way I talk."

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ORIGINAL: MstrssPassion

As I already stated within my post... many commonly used words have a much different meaning within this way of life.


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RE: The word "Master" - 8/25/2005 10:12:57 AM   
fastlane


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Status: offline 		I am the Master of my Domaine, but if my submissive wishes to call me as such, she may.

Respectfully, Master Baiter

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