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luckydog1 -> RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush (12/31/2007 4:56:19 PM)

So you speak for Sinergy, and he has to convince you 2.....Why exactly does he have to do that?  Both you guys are in the 10% opinion on the war. 



farglebargle -> RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush (12/31/2007 5:03:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: luckydog1

So you speak for Sinergy, and he has to convince you 2.....Why exactly does he have to do that?  Both you guys are in the 10% opinion on the war. 



No. It's clear you are unaware of the context here. Perhaps you should go re-read the thread, and understand:

Sinergy had asked FHKY how the Surge he promoted was working out.

FHKY evaded the question.

I called him out on his Evasion, and raised the question of, since you were wrong then, and don't seem to understand your error, why should anyone believe you now?

The rest of the exchange consisted of FHKY being evasive, eventually attacking *MY* integrity and honesty by questioning the veracity of the US Law I cited without FIRST knowing that it was tactic doomed to failure.

I'm not sure how you got roped into this, but it seems you began by ranting about some punishments for non-compliance or some-such, which is wholly irrelevant to the issue of those who screwed up and supported the Surge, not being credible until they're able to identify their failure.

That's why I replied to you, "However, I would think that all rational people would discount the analysis of someone who was so demonstrably wrong, but cannot and has not admitted his failure."



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Both you guys are in the 10% opinion on the war


What poll is that based on? Never mind.

I'm in the top 10% of IQ scores, too.



FirmhandKY -> RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush (12/31/2007 10:44:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

The END of my Claims, is: "Since you fucked up, FHKY, In assessing the surge BEFORE it happened, and you're so IGNORANT of the issue that you don't even know the controlling Law, why should anyone give credibility to anything you say?"



Hmmm, please ... take your time, and do some searching on the forums ... tell me where I was "assessing the surge BEFORE it happened"?

You seem to be saying that somewhere, I discussed the surge before it occurred and said that it would undoubtedly succeed in accordance with all the parameters written into a (now defunct) law?

I'm fairly confident that your search will come up blank.

If you want my opinion, the surge - as an overall indication of the US's likelihood of remaining active in Iraq - was one of the factors that has contributed to the lowering of violence there.

Certainly not the only one.  And likely in a different manner than you wish to assume I mean.

You have always been caught up in legalistic definitions and defenses to support your point of view, without really having that much understanding of law, society or politics in general, much less the methods and requirements needed to wage an effective war.

This is very much like the argument about the title of this thread. Yup, I intentionally set it up to get a rise out of the BDS crowd. But ... the title is indeed accurate ... as far as it goes. But, as dcnovice has so well pointed out, it doesn't go far enough.

You (and many other suffers of BDS) try the same logic when it comes to the war. Many of your arguments, taken by themselves, have some level of truth to them.  But, overall they fail to accurately portray reality, much as the title to this thread is absolutely "correct", yet absolutely "wrong" at the same time.

Firm

Another interesting thread I'm debating starting is one on the responsibility of the Democratic "antiwar" side of the house, for the casualties that they wish to lay on the "pro-war" side of the house.

How many American and Iraq lives would have been saved if Harry Reid and the rest of the Dem party had said 4 years ago "We ain't leaving til the scumbags are all dead or gone."?

Specifically, the escalation of violence during the last two national campaigns ... especially the 2006 Presidential campaign ... if the candidates had left no doubt in the minds of the aggressers in Iraq that a change in Administrations wouldn't have meant a change in overall American resolve to see the battle to a successful conclusion.

Personally, I think Harry Reid's "The war is lost" comment cost at least a couple of hundred American lives, and thousands of Iraqi lives.



FirmhandKY -> RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush (12/31/2007 11:15:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

FHKY fucked up analyzing the Surge,

Again ... where?

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

and is so woefully ignorant of the topic, he's unaware of the controlling law.


There is no, and never was any "controlling law" concerning the surge.

Firm



Muttling -> RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush (1/1/2008 12:35:00 AM)

It is SAD but I can see where Junior   (oh wait......G.W.) and Hitlery would be considered as the most admired individuals.   After all, the REAL people who are worthy of admiration are not individuals.   They are groups like firefighters, cops, etc.



Junior and Hitlery are so pathetic that they have no equals.  They don't have masses of people who are like them.    The REAL heros, the real people to be admired aren't the house hold names.   They are people like you and me who just make it happen without being famous for it.



FirmhandKY -> RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush (1/1/2008 12:35:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Sinergy had asked FHKY how the Surge he promoted was working out.

FHKY evaded the question.

Perhaps you should learn the difference between "evade" and "ignore".

quote:

ORIGINAL: farglebargle

The rest of the exchange consisted of FHKY being evasive, eventually attacking *MY* integrity and honesty by questioning the veracity of the US Law I cited without FIRST knowing that it was tactic doomed to failure.


As I mentioned before, you likely need to check your suppy of psychotropic drugs if you think that an "attack on integrity and honesty" and "questioning (your) veracity"  is inherent in a simple and polite request for a cite.

In actuality, I wanted to give you the opportunity to take a little time to actually read the actual law (in case you had been relying on someone else's interpretation) and give you a chance to explain, amplify or expound upon your comments before I exploded the BS that you are trying to peddle.

Instead, you exploded yourself (and lucky finished you off).

*shrugs* 

You just discredited yourself pretty much, to anyone reading without an ax to grind themselves.

quote:

ORIGINAL: farglebargle

which is wholly irrelevant to the issue of those who screwed up and supported the Surge, not being credible until they're able to identify their failure.

That's why I replied to you, "However, I would think that all rational people would discount the analysis of someone who was so demonstrably wrong, but cannot and has not admitted his failure."


which is wholly irrelevant to the issue of those who screwed up and supported the Surge, not being credible until they're able to identify their failure.

The thought that comes to mind is, if the law isn't relevant to the surge ... why do you quote it at every opportunity?


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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

I'm in the top 10% of IQ scores, too.


Some articles you may wish to review:

Creative Genius or Psychotic? A Look at the Strong Positive Correlation Between Creativity and Psychoses

Creativity tied to mental illness: Irrelevance can make you mad

Are Genius and Madness Related? Contemporary Answers to an Ancient Question

Firm



Muttling -> RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush (1/1/2008 12:50:08 AM)

yawn



farglebargle -> RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush (1/1/2008 5:34:45 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

If you want my opinion, the surge - as an overall indication of the US's likelihood of remaining active in Iraq - was one of the factors that has contributed to the lowering of violence there.


Evaded/Ignored. Whatever -- Sinergy asked your opinion on that 4 pages ago.

AND, since I've FINALLY beaten it out of you, my work here is done.







FirmhandKY -> RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush (1/1/2008 8:48:27 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: farglebargle

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

If you want my opinion, the surge - as an overall indication of the US's likelihood of remaining active in Iraq - was one of the factors that has contributed to the lowering of violence there.


Evaded/Ignored. Whatever -- Sinergy asked your opinion on that 4 pages ago.

AND, since I've FINALLY beaten it out of you, my work here is done.


Well ... I've asked you a question now twice ... and you evade.

Seems that hyprocrisy is another trait of yours, fargle.

OK, run away and play with your action figures now, fargie.

Firm



farglebargle -> RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush (1/1/2008 9:28:27 AM)

Well, before addressing "New Business", let's clear the queue of "Old Business", first.

You answered, eventually, "the surge - as an overall indication of the US's likelihood of remaining active in Iraq - was one of the factors that has contributed to the lowering of violence there. ", to Sinergy's question of, "How is that Surge you promoted a few months back working out for you? "

When I reminded you of your avoidance of Sinergy's question, I had expanded the topic slightly. These two questions STILL await your reply FROM 4 PAGES AGO:

"Has the Surge been successful in achieving the goals set prior to its execution?"

and

"If you were wrong then, why should anyone give credibility to what you say now?"

In the intervening 4 pages somewhat addressed those topics, but if we're going to move forward to YOUR QUESTIONS, let's get the OUTSTANDING QUERIES taken care of first.

Again, the questions you haven't answered are:


"Has the Surge been successful in achieving the goals set prior to its execution?"

and

"If you were wrong then, why should anyone give credibility to what you say now?"





mnottertail -> RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush (3/28/2008 1:08:51 PM)

Hows the surge doing these days?  You gotta admire that guy, n'est ce pas?


LOL

Ron



Zensee -> RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush (3/28/2008 2:03:05 PM)

Oh Ron - you evil necromancer you!

Back to the grave, dead thread! Thou art an abomination!


Z.



kittinSol -> RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush (3/28/2008 2:13:01 PM)

You have to give it to Ron: he has an uncanny sense of comic timing.



NorthernGent -> RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush (3/28/2008 2:33:24 PM)

To be fair to the great man, I'm having a change of heart, here......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYx419kLKYE



kittinSol -> RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush (3/28/2008 2:36:09 PM)

Haha! What a tosser.



mnottertail -> RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush (3/28/2008 3:57:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

To be fair to the great man, I'm having a change of heart, here......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYx419kLKYE


Ja, like she's gonna be giving him some pussy.

You would need a post-hole digger to open up that old prune, anyway.

Marginally less obstreperous than vomiting on the Japanese Prime Minister, I supppose.

So, perhaps some manners rubbed off somewhere form the rarefied atmosphere of political acumen.

Nudge, nudge, wink, wink, know what I mean?

Ron



kittinSol -> RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush (3/28/2008 5:00:49 PM)

Gawd that was offensive. No more Sex Pistols for you. From now on, Eine kleine Nachtmusik. On  a loop.



mnottertail -> RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush (3/28/2008 5:35:29 PM)

Ja, Fur Sie, Elise.

Heil Hitler, just in case we lose.

Reichkantzler Mozart



thompsonx -> RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush (3/28/2008 7:36:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

According to a Gallup Poll.

Video.

Firm


Firm:
You did notice that he only got 10% of the vote.  That would imply that 90% thought he was not.  Did you also notice that Hillary got 18% almost twice as much as dubbya.  Even Oprah out polled him.
Hasn't  the sitting president won the award something like 60 out of the 62 times it has been awarded?  Which would mean that your old friend slick willie won it twice.
On the same page was another article that pointed out that dubbya has the lowest presidential approval rating since the poll started in 1945.
You have posted a real "snoozer".
thompson



thompsonx -> RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush (3/28/2008 7:37:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Where do they come up with this shit?
Who admires "politicians" anyway?
Are they polling "political science" majors at community colleges or something?  (future waiters and waitresses) 
Personally I admire Firefighters and Military people. Oh, and Doctors and Nurses.



On my list of most admired people are hookers and lap dancers.
thompson







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