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PsyVamp -> RE: A spark of interest (12/28/2007 2:56:18 PM)

Maybe that's just it, I should try dating instead of looking for a D/s only type relationship... lol




pixelslave -> RE: A spark of interest (12/28/2007 2:59:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PsyVamp

I like to use the email as a way to get to know the person so when they can't hold up an email conversation, I lose interest.  The easiest way for me to forget they exist is for them to send me one line answers to my question.

I've been through all the writing courses and I make sure to ask open ended questions when I am after information.  I even tell them that reading is a passion of mine.  Maybe I'll just have to be like the English teachers and ask for two pages, double spaced with a 12 point font.

Lady Jag


Lady Jag,
Plese tell me, what constitutes 2 pages of double spaced HTML, or were you talking about WORD documents?? [;)]
 
Like you, I prefer having email conversations initially.  That's so I can provide more thoughtful answers at my convenience before going to IM with those where there's a mutual interest which has been expressed. [&:]
 
 - pixel




PsyVamp -> RE: A spark of interest (12/28/2007 4:54:16 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: pixelslave

quote:

ORIGINAL: PsyVamp

I like to use the email as a way to get to know the person so when they can't hold up an email conversation, I lose interest.  The easiest way for me to forget they exist is for them to send me one line answers to my question.

I've been through all the writing courses and I make sure to ask open ended questions when I am after information.  I even tell them that reading is a passion of mine.  Maybe I'll just have to be like the English teachers and ask for two pages, double spaced with a 12 point font.

Lady Jag


Lady Jag,
Plese tell me, what constitutes 2 pages of double spaced HTML, or were you talking about WORD documents?? [;)]
 
Like you, I prefer having email conversations initially.  That's so I can provide more thoughtful answers at my convenience before going to IM with those where there's a mutual interest which has been expressed. [&:]
 
 - pixel



pixel you always manage to make me smile [:D]  Word document!!!!!!!  lol

I will tell you that any time I have gone to IM quickly, I've been disappointed. So yes, emails are a necessity.

LJ




AFlyInYourWeb -> RE: A spark of interest (12/28/2007 6:34:28 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: PsyVamp

I like to use the email as a way to get to know the person



I do, too.

My experience is that an e-mail exchange that flows easily and naturally usually results in a good first meeting, because the conversation tends to flow just as easily and naturally.  That makes the first meeting seem less like a blind date or job interview, and more like two friends sharing a lunch, brunch, or dinner.

Relationships begun and sustained by letter-writing were quite common in the past.

Internet dating just gives a new life to an old form of communication.




flowspen -> RE: A spark of interest (12/28/2007 10:53:33 PM)

Ha.. I really enjoyed reading this thread.  It isn't often I get to hear what other subs are doing on here.  Cutting and pasting, no originality and so on so on.. it made me smile.. TY...




LadyPact -> RE: A spark of interest (12/28/2007 11:57:17 PM)

Just a thought..... Welcome back, flowspen.  I would venture to say that you have been missed.




Aimtoplease101 -> RE: A spark of interest (12/29/2007 12:23:55 AM)

Ha.. I really enjoyed reading this thread.  It isn't often I get to hear what other subs are doing on here.  Cutting and pasting, no originality and so on so on.. it made me smile.. TY...errr, ATP




MaamJay -> RE: A spark of interest (12/29/2007 12:32:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: KindLadyGrey

I do not chase boys. It's just undignified.

If I am interested, I will offer to meet them for coffee once, but after that the ball is entirely in their court to maintain contact and interest. I'll pick up the slack if an actual relationship develops, but I simply lack the time and attention span to keep track of every boy I meet once or talk to on the internet, even if I do like them. I'm sure this leads to some of them going home after a coffee date and being sad because they assume I must not like them if I don't contact them to pursue another meeting.


I'm basically with this ... I won't chase subs. I might make the initial approach, but if they don't respond favourably it dies there and then ... I do My best to respond to messages they send helpfully and in a timely way ... I ask open questions encouraging them to write ... but I won't do the chasing, whether they are male or female. My Mum taught me that "It's the boy's place to try and the girl's place to deny" ... ok, she was trying to teach abstinence LOL! However, I interpret that in the D/s sense to be "It's the sub's place to try and the Dominant's place to deny" ... if I want to deny that is! It's also My place to say "OK!" I feel that if a sub isn't willing to put effort into maintaining a relationship with Me, given that I do respond, then they are not likely to be willing to put effort into doing as I require or maintaining that relationship ... so they're not going to be what I need. So yes, I also get frustrated by those who purport to want this ... and then drop off after a couple of messages.

Maam Jay aka violet[A]




littlesarbonn -> RE: A spark of interest (12/29/2007 9:02:43 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MaamJay

quote:

ORIGINAL: KindLadyGrey

I do not chase boys. It's just undignified.

If I am interested, I will offer to meet them for coffee once, but after that the ball is entirely in their court to maintain contact and interest. I'll pick up the slack if an actual relationship develops, but I simply lack the time and attention span to keep track of every boy I meet once or talk to on the internet, even if I do like them. I'm sure this leads to some of them going home after a coffee date and being sad because they assume I must not like them if I don't contact them to pursue another meeting.


I'm basically with this ... I won't chase subs. I might make the initial approach, but if they don't respond favourably it dies there and then ... I do My best to respond to messages they send helpfully and in a timely way ... I ask open questions encouraging them to write ... but I won't do the chasing, whether they are male or female. My Mum taught me that "It's the boy's place to try and the girl's place to deny" ... ok, she was trying to teach abstinence LOL! However, I interpret that in the D/s sense to be "It's the sub's place to try and the Dominant's place to deny" ... if I want to deny that is! It's also My place to say "OK!" I feel that if a sub isn't willing to put effort into maintaining a relationship with Me, given that I do respond, then they are not likely to be willing to put effort into doing as I require or maintaining that relationship ... so they're not going to be what I need. So yes, I also get frustrated by those who purport to want this ... and then drop off after a couple of messages.

Maam Jay aka violet[A]


This whole perspective continues to fascinate me. To me, it feels different, almost as if what I'm reading is: "I'm a dominant woman who pursues only what I want to pursue, but I'm going to limit myself only to the guys that try to get my attention." I know this isn't the case for all situations, but I know a LOT of quality submissives who WON'T contact women on a regular basis because they realize how many do-me subs are out there already bogging down a woman's attention. Therefore, just simple statistics tells me that the majority of what a woman with this perspective is going to see is the do-me submissives who mass email every dominant profile they can come across.

It would seem, at least to me, a lot more productive if a woman who purports to be dominant and the one in charge of her destiny actually approaches the submissives for whom she is interested instead of the other way around. We're dealing with a cultural stereotype here that amazingly is still maintaining itself as the norm. Female dominance is culturally and socially against society's norms, YET in order to make contact, female dominants STILL maintain a patriarchal standard that makes them the sought after "prize" rather than completely reversing the attitude as one would think it would be.

I mean, it doesn't matter to me, but it just seems somewhat bizarre. Yeah, I know all sorts of different women will make a statement along the lines of "but it worked for me and that's how I found Jethro" but it still seems to be lacking of who really gets to decide what is going to happen for the future. Think of it like voting, because it's the same joke that everyone seems to buy as the "normal" paradigm. The candidates are prepackaged for citizens who really never had a chance in deciding who to vote for. Then, and only after then, the citizens are allowed to "vote" for candidates who are ALREADY chosen for them. It just seems like this is exactly what happens when it comes to pursuing a dominant woman. She gets to claim that she is the arbitrator of her final decision, but it was a bunch of men who gave her the choices she gets to choose from in the end.




DiannaVesta -> RE: A spark of interest (12/29/2007 10:39:02 AM)

I call them the one handed bandits. lol- They are typing one handed and OH so submissive when Mr Woody is hard. Lady Pact I know we see differently here but this is the main reason I give them my url, read it and pay to talk to me. Sure I still get cut and paste emails or guys that DON'T read my profile or bother going to my site. There could even be a handful of great subs in there that also get my url and instructions to READ my site, however IMO if they are all that sincere to serve ME then they will jump through MY hoops and prove it.




HottLicks -> RE: A spark of interest (12/29/2007 11:11:14 AM)

Thank you littlesarbonn.  You're insights are always something I look forward to.  I agree that it seems there are a lot of mixed messages.  Dealing with a cyber troll submissive is hard for the serious dominant's and the submissive's who are truly trying to find a dominant.  I am thankfully not in a position where I have to deal with a lot of what goes on.  I have dealt with it, but at the moment, I am not.  I don't even what to think about dealing with it in the future, but will be, so I would like to comment on this.

I think having these boards are helpful to those who will use them, but many on the site don't use them.  Here we can get to know a person and see them in a way that helps determine whether we would be interested or not.  I hesitate to get too involved with someone that doesn't use the boards or a chatroom or something that can help me see more of them.  But if one goes on the boards alone, it seems to me that it could be a long while before they were able to find someone for whatever kind of relationship they want.

We all know the problems.  Do any of us have some answers? lol I sure would like to hear them!  How do we actually do what we are trying to do?  Cyberland has opened a lot of doors and sometimes doors can be dangerous things.  It would be nice to know how to open and close the doors safely even though there are all kinds of doors and ways to do that.  Maybe a general rule of thumb in opening and closing them.  Does anyone have something that is working?




LadyPact -> RE: A spark of interest (12/29/2007 11:14:33 AM)

This thread really turned into something, didn't it?  I was kind of surprised, in a funny way.

Diana, actually, it couldn't be further from the truth.  I think We very much agree on the subject.  One handed typing or one handed dialing are pretty much the same thing.  This is a different angle from things that We've talked about before.  Going from the HNG perspective, I can't say I have the same sympathies. 




LadyPact -> RE: A spark of interest (12/29/2007 11:22:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: HottLicks

Thank you littlesarbonn.  You're insights are always something I look forward to.  I agree that it seems there are a lot of mixed messages.  Dealing with a cyber troll submissive is hard for the serious dominant's and the submissive's who are truly trying to find a dominant.  I am thankfully not in a position where I have to deal with a lot of what goes on.  I have dealt with it, but at the moment, I am not.  I don't even what to think about dealing with it in the future, but will be, so I would like to comment on this.

I think having these boards are helpful to those who will use them, but many on the site don't use them.  Here we can get to know a person and see them in a way that helps determine whether we would be interested or not.  I hesitate to get too involved with someone that doesn't use the boards or a chatroom or something that can help me see more of them.  But if one goes on the boards alone, it seems to me that it could be a long while before they were able to find someone for whatever kind of relationship they want.

We all know the problems.  Do any of us have some answers? lol I sure would like to hear them!  How do we actually do what we are trying to do?  Cyberland has opened a lot of doors and sometimes doors can be dangerous things.  It would be nice to know how to open and close the doors safely even though there are all kinds of doors and ways to do that.  Maybe a general rule of thumb in opening and closing them.  Does anyone have something that is working?

Sometimes, I miss things when posts are going at the same time.  It  is almost funny that I'm the one who started this thread with an off-handed remark, because I'm not actually looking for anything.  I already have a husband at My side and a submissive at Me feet. 

There's a thread somewhere on the board here that was started by MsC about how many of Us made Our connections in D/s dynamics.  It's a very interesting read and has many comments on what worked.




HottLicks -> RE: A spark of interest (12/29/2007 11:30:00 AM)

Thank you LadyPact,  I will take a look.  I've just been thinking lately how different people are and how hard it is to figure out some things with all the differences! lol

Funny how a thread can sometimes take off in different directions... maybe that is what keeps a lot of us here! lol  Thanks for all your post!




AFlyInYourWeb -> RE: A spark of interest (12/29/2007 11:45:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn

It would seem, at least to me, a lot more productive if a woman who purports to be dominant and the one in charge of her destiny actually approaches the submissives for whom she is interested instead of the other way around. We're dealing with a cultural stereotype here that amazingly is still maintaining itself as the norm. Female dominance is culturally and socially against society's norms, YET in order to make contact, female dominants STILL maintain a patriarchal standard that makes them the sought after "prize" rather than completely reversing the attitude as one would think it would be.



I admire your posts and perspectives in general, but I fear you miss the point this time out.

IMHO, your fallacy is in assuming that Dominas should initiate contact, or they are not "in control" of the situation from the start.

Has it occured to you that by making the submissive write first, they are compelling us to show our interest in them before they have to show any interest in us?  I think that we are being placed in the position of a "supplicant", and they are occupying the position of Power in that equation.

I think they've out-smarted us again. [sm=ofcourse.gif] 




HottLicks -> RE: A spark of interest (12/29/2007 12:01:02 PM)

See what I mean about the different opinions! lol What is one to do? lol

Personally I was asking because it's very interesting to hear what everyone has to say and then being able to entergrate it into what I typically do.  I checked out the other thread.  I think what I am asking for is more of an example of how people worked things.  On profiles in the past, I have given my expectations, things I didn't want to deal with and came across as very demanding even though I softened my words.  Some read me as I meant to be read and others didn't.  I have gone the other direction and had to get demanding when the cyber trolls went nuts on me.  Do you see what I mean?

I am tired today... lol... maybe I should just shut up, but this thread is bring out some cool stuff and I want to hear it! lol  It goes right in line with what I have been thinking and I don't seem to be the only one thinking about all this... or suffering it.

Good luck everyone!




RumpusParable -> RE: A spark of interest (12/29/2007 12:48:53 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Have you ever noticed that so many are out there with hopes of meeting, but they cant keep up a simple email convo?  If it's really what they want, do it or gett off of the pot already.


Hello.

I answered  another in joke here, but here's my tackling of your OP! 

I'm not sure which way you meant the comment and question...  Are you meaning the ones who contact but want us to carry the entire conversation?

If so, I wonder about it, too.  I regulary get contacted by those so terribly interested... but when I try to have a talk with them to find out their interests and what they're like, well, they don't converse.  Oddly, they often only contact me enough to keep the exchange going some... as in, they won't respond enough with anythig to have an actual conversation but don't seem to want the email exchange to die a natural death.

As in, they'll send a one-line question or comment that I'll respond fully to and ask them something in return... then get a one line answer that effectively ends the conversation.  So I don't write back.  Then they do it again.  And again.

They're not being rude so I don't cut them off but they just don't seem to be willing to put the effort into... well, talking!  They seem to think that I should do all the conversation work.

Had this in real-life, too, once sexually.  Dead fish, expected to just lay there and do literally nothing of his own accord during the act because he was the "submissive".  You can imagine how well that went... we didn't.




LadyPact -> RE: A spark of interest (12/29/2007 1:22:01 PM)

Hi Rumpus.  Are you home yet?  Any chance of seeing you on New Year's Eve?

This thread really has become interesting, and there was something else about it that just occurred to Me.  With the posts that were in the thread by Myself excluded, there were thirty responses, to two simple lines.  Also, I'd like to point out that nobody nailed Me for misspelling/adding an extra "t" to a simple word.  (No fair coming back to get Me for it now.  Chance over.)  Just goes to show that even a little effort, can get a response.

Keep that in mind, guys!




thetammyjo -> RE: A spark of interest (12/29/2007 1:35:47 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn

quote:

ORIGINAL: MaamJay

quote:

ORIGINAL: KindLadyGrey

I do not chase boys. It's just undignified.

If I am interested, I will offer to meet them for coffee once, but after that the ball is entirely in their court to maintain contact and interest. I'll pick up the slack if an actual relationship develops, but I simply lack the time and attention span to keep track of every boy I meet once or talk to on the internet, even if I do like them. I'm sure this leads to some of them going home after a coffee date and being sad because they assume I must not like them if I don't contact them to pursue another meeting.


I'm basically with this ... I won't chase subs. I might make the initial approach, but if they don't respond favourably it dies there and then ... I do My best to respond to messages they send helpfully and in a timely way ... I ask open questions encouraging them to write ... but I won't do the chasing, whether they are male or female. My Mum taught me that "It's the boy's place to try and the girl's place to deny" ... ok, she was trying to teach abstinence LOL! However, I interpret that in the D/s sense to be "It's the sub's place to try and the Dominant's place to deny" ... if I want to deny that is! It's also My place to say "OK!" I feel that if a sub isn't willing to put effort into maintaining a relationship with Me, given that I do respond, then they are not likely to be willing to put effort into doing as I require or maintaining that relationship ... so they're not going to be what I need. So yes, I also get frustrated by those who purport to want this ... and then drop off after a couple of messages.

Maam Jay aka violet[A]


This whole perspective continues to fascinate me. To me, it feels different, almost as if what I'm reading is: "I'm a dominant woman who pursues only what I want to pursue, but I'm going to limit myself only to the guys that try to get my attention." I know this isn't the case for all situations, but I know a LOT of quality submissives who WON'T contact women on a regular basis because they realize how many do-me subs are out there already bogging down a woman's attention. Therefore, just simple statistics tells me that the majority of what a woman with this perspective is going to see is the do-me submissives who mass email every dominant profile they can come across.



No offense intended, littlesarbonn, but please reread what Maam Jay said above.

She says she does initiate contact but after that it's up to the approached to make an impression on her. She does not say if she must make an impression in return but based on other things she's written, I'm betting that she knows she has to also ask and answer herself.

Perhaps the numbers that we all hear floating around, always how bottoms/subs/etc outnumber tops/doms/etc by a large amount, play into the power imbalance even before any authority has been exchanged. I think that yes, gender roles also play a bit part.

I don't chase people either. Either the interest is mutual or it isn't. I've never seen the benefit in chasing nor do I like it if someone chases me -- that's called not getting it and needing to be hit over the head with a clueX4 as I've heard the expression.




pixelslave -> RE: A spark of interest (12/29/2007 1:52:37 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MaamJay

quote:

ORIGINAL: KindLadyGrey

I do not chase boys. It's just undignified.

If I am interested, I will offer to meet them for coffee once, but after that the ball is entirely in their court to maintain contact and interest. I'll pick up the slack if an actual relationship develops, but I simply lack the time and attention span to keep track of every boy I meet once or talk to on the internet, even if I do like them. I'm sure this leads to some of them going home after a coffee date and being sad because they assume I must not like them if I don't contact them to pursue another meeting.


I'm basically with this ... I won't chase subs. I might make the initial approach, but if they don't respond favourably it dies there and then ... I do My best to respond to messages they send helpfully and in a timely way ... I ask open questions encouraging them to write ... but I won't do the chasing, whether they are male or female. My Mum taught me that "It's the boy's place to try and the girl's place to deny" ... ok, she was trying to teach abstinence LOL! However, I interpret that in the D/s sense to be "It's the sub's place to try and the Dominant's place to deny" ... if I want to deny that is! It's also My place to say "OK!" I feel that if a sub isn't willing to put effort into maintaining a relationship with Me, given that I do respond, then they are not likely to be willing to put effort into doing as I require or maintaining that relationship ... so they're not going to be what I need. So yes, I also get frustrated by those who purport to want this ... and then drop off after a couple of messages.

Maam Jay aka violet[A]


Gosh, it seems to me that you ladies are sending us subs some mixed signals here, either that or I'm misinterpreting your posts.  To me, it's a two-way street.  I need to sense there's a mutual interest in continuing a dialogue in order for me to continue writing.  Like you, I've received the one-line responses that essentially ended email conversations as they left me with nothing to reply to.  When that happens, am I expected to "stick my neck out", write again and inquire for more information about your interests?  Or am I to accept that you had no interest in learning more about me since you didn't ask, and then be the polite gentleman and leave you alone? [&:]
 
We subs are often in something of a conundrum in what to do.  The women on these boards claim to be dominants, yet often don't seem to want to send us signals to direct conversations where they'd like them to go.  If we assert ourselves, which I often tend to be inclined to do (it's the "hey, you're not my Domme and I'm not your sub [yet] approach"; instead you're a woman I might want to get to know), we're then labeled as a man who's not a "twue" submissive and dismissed as such. [>:]
 
I only submit to one woman at a time and not all women are going to be appropriate partners for me to have a D/s relationship with.  I'm not just looking for any Domme to serve, I'm looking for one who's right for me just as Dommes are looking for a sub who's right for them.  I could care less about the statistical imbalance that's purported to exist, not to sound overly confident, but I know I have a lot to offer the right woman and will eventually meet her.  Presumably the right woman will be sharp enough to recognize me when I meet her, and if not, probably isn't the right one for me.  Sometimes we subs have to sort through a lot of "princesses" before we kiss the right one. [;)]
 
I hope you ladies will think about the messages you send.  If you're interested in a sub, I suggest you find a way to let him know so you'll be giving him encouragement to continue to contact you.  Perhaps the ones who haven't continued to write or IM you, weren't given the right kind of nibbles to cause them to return and chase the bait! [8D]
 
 - pixel
 




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