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SeeksOnlyOne -> RE: just a question (12/28/2007 1:35:31 PM)

i do my best to not judge based on age.....but its not always easy.

try to look at it this way......everyone that is over, say, 40, has lived as long as you have twice.  we have all been your age.

i often tell my son, who is 19, theres no way you will understand it until you are 40....you are just gonna have to trust me for now.

of course, you are not my child and dont have to trust me.....but theres no way you will understand it til youre 40....trust me here[:)]




juliaoceania -> RE: just a question (12/28/2007 1:37:00 PM)

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mean on the other side you could say that someone in their 20's can spring back easier, heals faster, can take more because they are younger, they could learn faster, they could adapt easier and aren't as stuck in their ways.. I mean age at any age has its advantages and disadvantages...


Now we are generalizing, aren't we?




jakeskajira -> RE: just a question (12/28/2007 1:39:25 PM)

Lucious, I do agree that as you age, your sexual prime getsBETTER (not older better, stupid dyslexia, sorry fixed that typo!), my sexuality has only gotten "more" as i've aged, and I started having sex at a very young age. I haven't quite decided if I like quantity, or quality at my age more since orgasms to me aren't nessecarily an intregal part of sex for me... but the more I get laid the happier I am LOL (luckily my Master has a huge sex drive himself LOL) I heard a woman's sexual prime starts around 35 ... and that it was her "biological" clock ticking.. (at least thats how scientists explain the increased sex drive in women in their 30's... but it might just be because they stop caring what everyone else thinks and realize they enjoy sex and their own sexuality!)

I know personally, I married older, for many reason's. Mostly because I can't relate to most people my own age.... Master is 13 years older than I am. I really do respect and admire people older then myself, I spent my whole life around people older than myself, but they also learned from me too, you know? a friendship, or relationship of any sort isn't usually just one sided.

Though, I will say, the last 2 years of being married, and a slave have gone a long way from teaching me to control my temper, my outbursts, and my sarcasm. (Which I have plenty of... I just am not allowed to be an asshat. *chuckles..* usually anyways... )

Regards, well wishes and I hope you guys all have a wonderful new years!

slave emma




sambamanslilgirl -> RE: just a question (12/28/2007 1:41:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jakeskajira

I read reading a thead on here and was wondering why young Dominants and submissives are being put down so much?


pick one and/or all:

younger dominants/submissives/slave come off as "experts" in all manner of the kink lifestyle

many parade around the forums as "look at me" chest thumpers

many young dominants demand that submissives/slaves give them respect when it hasn't been truly earned

young submissives come to forums with questions "what's the difference between submissive/slave" to "am i doing *insert whatever the problem here* correctly" or "what should i do now" threads

most of them post whiny thread after thread why no one will take them seriously or that all submissives/slaves/dominants are fakes after only being here for a month

etc ...etc.... - will stop now before i need another Advil


gawd - youth is definitely wasted on the young






lusciouslips19 -> RE: just a question (12/28/2007 1:43:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jakeskajira

Lucious, I do agree that as you age, your sexual prime getsBETTER (not older better, stupid dyslexia, sorry fixed that typo!), my sexuality has only gotten "more" as i've aged, and I started having sex at a very young age. I haven't quite decided if I like quantity, or quality at my age more since orgasms to me aren't nessecarily an intregal part of sex for me... but the more I get laid the happier I am LOL (luckily my Master has a huge sex drive himself LOL) I heard a woman's sexual prime starts around 35 ... and that it was her "biological" clock ticking.. (at least thats how scientists explain the increased sex drive in women in their 30's... but it might just be because they stop caring what everyone else thinks and realize they enjoy sex and their own sexuality!)

I know personally, I married older, for many reason's. Mostly because I can't relate to most people my own age.... Master is 13 years older than I am. I really do respect and admire people older then myself, I spent my whole life around people older than myself, but they also learned from me too, you know? a friendship, or relationship of any sort isn't usually just one sided.

Though, I will say, the last 2 years of being married, and a slave have gone a long way from teaching me to control my temper, my outbursts, and my sarcasm. (Which I have plenty of... I just am not allowed to be an asshat. *chuckles..* usually anyways... )

Regards, well wishes and I hope you guys all have a wonderful new years!

slave emma


well, I can tell you, The Orgasms will get better. This I garantee!




juliaoceania -> RE: just a question (12/28/2007 1:44:30 PM)

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apologize if it came off as bashing, that was not my intent, but stastically, the "older" you are, the harder it is to change habits, or change in general when you get set in your ways.  (statstically... it gets harder to "change" as you age, at least thats what I was always taught in my psych classes. -- habits are easier to change when you are younger, and the longer you do them, the harder it gets to break them. -- this is what I meant by adapt. I will try to be mores specific in the future to prevent any miscommunication!)


I did not learn this in my psych classes, and i have had them. I have to say I have had a much easier time changing bad habits as I have gotten older, perhaps because I have more motivation. I have quit smoking, changed my diet, and my exercise habits all in the last couple of years. I could not quit smoking no matter how hard I tried when I was your age, even when I was pregnant. In fact most people either change bad habits as they age, or they die from them.

The studies that i have read seem to suggest that people form more connections neurologically as they age, which tends to compensate for the die off of brain cells... but they have to use their minds, or they lose their minds.... having lots of connections in your brain is rather important in helping one make sense of things, have good judgment, and making connections about the world at large... this is why people tend to trust older people to be in charge of institutions of all sorts.




SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: just a question (12/28/2007 1:50:51 PM)

Yeah but I’m a bit scared at all those OAP coach drivers. Why is it you have to be over 60 to drive a coach?




jakeskajira -> RE: just a question (12/28/2007 1:53:02 PM)

I agree that if you don't use your brain, you lose it as you age, motivation is important to changing habits, but (the study I was refering to was people with addiction tedencies... the only reason I even compared it is because well, frankly I think spanking can be addictive.. like chocolate LOL)
I would love to talk psychology with you some time, it is something I went to college for as I was considering specializing in relationships and sexuality, but didn't finish my degree (So I won't claim to be an expert on any level, I consider it more of a... hobby and interest)

I was reading some of the information in the new psychology text book that was just released and they mention D/s relationships and BDSM in it, have you read it? (also have you read tanos's essay site? his whole theories on D/s and slavery/submission is using modern day psychology methods)

curious,
slave emma




sodsta -> RE: just a question (12/28/2007 1:53:39 PM)

I can't speak for everyone, but it may be the case that as people get older, the younger start to get younger. I'm only 21, but even I have noticed this.

An example of this from my experience is when I was in junior school. When I was in year 2 (roughly about 6 or 7 years old) all the kids in the top years seemed so much older and more mature than me. As I grew up, went from year 2 to year 3, then onto years 4, 5 and 6 I became very confused - I remembered how tall and mature the older kids had seemed when I was in year 2, and I couldn't understand why I wasn't the same. I thought the older kids had been getting younger and younger as I'd moved up the grades, but it wasn't until I looked at the then year 2s and realised that they looked so little. You don't notice yourself age so much, but you certainly notice the young people around you getting younger and younger.

Another very simple example... when I was about 14 I had a crush on someone, and all the adults around me used to smile at me really patronisingly and say "awww, isn't that cute?". It infuriated me at the time because I was so adamant that I was in love with this girl, and this was the one I was going to spend the rest of my life with. I was so angry that they wouldn't take me seriously, because I was not a child, dammit!!!!

And now... well... now I look at 14 year olds, professing their undying love to so-and-so, saying that this one is forever, and I smile, and I think "awww, isn't that cute?"

I didn't really notice much change in myself between the ages of 14 and 21, but I notice how much younger 14 year olds look to me, now, and there's a shockingly big difference.

I think that might be part of the reason some older people aren't too keen on the idea of younger people being into BDSM. I think it's a knee-jerk reaction to the age difference. Plus, a lot of people from older generations didn't have things like the internet when they were younger, where they could read and learn about the lifestyle. A lot of people had no opportunity to get into it at a younger age because of that. A lot of people were introduced to it later in life.

Like I said, I'm 21, turning 22 next month, and I have been into the lifestyle for about 3 years, now. I started reading and learning about BDSM from about the age of 15. I don't think I, or anyone else my age, is any less worthy of being taken seriously than someone who has been into the scene for 20 years. I may have less experience, but I am here because I have a true passion and love for the lifestyle, and I treat it very respectfully. As long as that's the reason younger people are on the scene, they deserve the same respect as everyone else. :)




ownedgirlie -> RE: just a question (12/28/2007 1:53:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

well, I can tell you, The Orgasms will get better. This I garantee!


Ha!  No kidding.

As for "bouncing back more quickly", I can certainly say that in my 20s and 30s I was ridgid, filled with apprehension and inhibitions, and much more narrow minded.  In my 20s and 30s I would not have been able to bounce back from the traumas I went through last year, quite as smoothly as I did.  I find the older I am, the more open minded I become, the less fearful I become, and the more flexible and adaptable to change I become. 

I do not judge others based on their age.  I have friends in their 20s and friends in their 60s.  I accept people into my world based on their philosophies, energy, approach to live, and ability to love.




lusciouslips19 -> RE: just a question (12/28/2007 2:03:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: sodsta

I can't speak for everyone, but it may be the case that as people get older, the younger start to get younger. I'm only 21, but even I have noticed this.

An example of this from my experience is when I was in junior school. When I was in year 2 (roughly about 6 or 7 years old) all the kids in the top years seemed so much older and more mature than me. As I grew up, went from year 2 to year 3, then onto years 4, 5 and 6 I became very confused - I remembered how tall and mature the older kids had seemed when I was in year 2, and I couldn't understand why I wasn't the same. I thought the older kids had been getting younger and younger as I'd moved up the grades, but it wasn't until I looked at the then year 2s and realised that they looked so little. You don't notice yourself age so much, but you certainly notice the young people around you getting younger and younger.

Another very simple example... when I was about 14 I had a crush on someone, and all the adults around me used to smile at me really patronisingly and say "awww, isn't that cute?". It infuriated me at the time because I was so adamant that I was in love with this girl, and this was the one I was going to spend the rest of my life with. I was so angry that they wouldn't take me seriously, because I was not a child, dammit!!!!

And now... well... now I look at 14 year olds, professing their undying love to so-and-so, saying that this one is forever, and I smile, and I think "awww, isn't that cute?"

I didn't really notice much change in myself between the ages of 14 and 21, but I notice how much younger 14 year olds look to me, now, and there's a shockingly big difference.

I think that might be part of the reason some older people aren't too keen on the idea of younger people being into BDSM. I think it's a knee-jerk reaction to the age difference. Plus, a lot of people from older generations didn't have things like the internet when they were younger, where they could read and learn about the lifestyle. A lot of people had no opportunity to get into it at a younger age because of that. A lot of people were introduced to it later in life.

Like I said, I'm 21, turning 22 next month, and I have been into the lifestyle for about 3 years, now. I started reading and learning about BDSM from about the age of 15. I don't think I, or anyone else my age, is any less worthy of being taken seriously than someone who has been into the scene for 20 years. I may have less experience, but I am here because I have a true passion and love for the lifestyle, and I treat it very respectfully. As long as that's the reason younger people are on the scene, they deserve the same respect as everyone else. :)


We have never judged you on your age. You are mature and respectful and never whiny or chest thumping or any of those things that make us roll our eyes.




jakeskajira -> RE: just a question (12/28/2007 2:04:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

quote:

ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

well, I can tell you, The Orgasms will get better. This I garantee!


Ha!  No kidding.

As for "bouncing back more quickly", I can certainly say that in my 20s and 30s I was ridgid, filled with apprehension and inhibitions, and much more narrow minded.  In my 20s and 30s I would not have been able to bounce back from the traumas I went through last year, quite as smoothly as I did.  I find the older I am, the more open minded I become, the less fearful I become, and the more flexible and adaptable to change I become. 

I do not judge others based on their age.  I have friends in their 20s and friends in their 60s.  I accept people into my world based on their philosophies, energy, approach to live, and ability to love.


bouncing back I meant physically... your in your phyiscal prime at age 27. (such as a woman doing child birth between the ages of 24-34 would bounce back easier then someone younger who's body is not fully mature yet, or someone who's getting older and "past" their prime.. I meant bouncing back because of healing process physically, not mentally or emotionally.)

mentally and emotionally, it is hard to put an age on that. everyone is in different places. I knew about BDSM as a young teen. and I was really into the play part as a mid-late teen... getting married when I met the right person opened up a whole new world to me on a non physical level, and even then I had to come to terms with it mentally, and emotionally.. at 18 I couldn't have submitted to anyone, I had to throw off everything I ever learned about a woman being independant and learning to be "okay" with my submissive nature and personality. but there are 18 year olds who are ready to submit and seek it out... research, reading, learning, asking questions, thats a great way to learn and I know i've probably annoyed the SHIT out of people asking questions non stop *grins* but that won't stop me from continueing to ask them... (My favorite question happens to  be why...)

ownedgirlie : I do understand exactly what are saying about apprehension, and narrowminded ness, this is why some people who are drawn to this lifestyle can't truely let go enough to do it, because they aren't "ready"... but that could mean they are 20.. or 45... that again is a "ready" thing in my mind.. (I could be totally mid understanding what your saying..) but Im afraid all the time, I am just willing to face my fear. which is what you mean right? you meet it head on? some people NEVER find the strength to do that... your a strong woman, I respect that.

regards,
slave emma




lusciouslips19 -> RE: just a question (12/28/2007 2:07:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

quote:

ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

well, I can tell you, The Orgasms will get better. This I garantee!


Ha!  No kidding.

As for "bouncing back more quickly", I can certainly say that in my 20s and 30s I was ridgid, filled with apprehension and inhibitions, and much more narrow minded.  In my 20s and 30s I would not have been able to bounce back from the traumas I went through last year, quite as smoothly as I did.  I find the older I am, the more open minded I become, the less fearful I become, and the more flexible and adaptable to change I become. 

I do not judge others based on their age.  I have friends in their 20s and friends in their 60s.  I accept people into my world based on their philosophies, energy, approach to live, and ability to love.


Mature women are sooo freaky![sm=shake.gif]




sodsta -> RE: just a question (12/28/2007 2:08:08 PM)

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We have never judged you on your age. You are mature and respectful and never whiny or chest thumping or any of those things that make us roll our eyes.


Thank you. :D

And I didn't really mean "I" as in me, more a kind of general "I". ;)




ownedgirlie -> RE: just a question (12/28/2007 2:11:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jakeskajira
ownedgirlie : I do understand exactly what are saying about apprehension, and narrowminded ness, this is why some people who are drawn to this lifestyle can't truely let go enough to do it, because they aren't "ready"... but that could mean they are 20.. or 45... that again is a "ready" thing in my mind.. (I could be totally mid understanding what your saying..) but Im afraid all the time, I am just willing to face my fear. which is what you mean right? you meet it head on? some people NEVER find the strength to do that... your a strong woman, I respect that.


I misunderstood - physically vs. emotionally/mentally.  While you may be mostly correct about that, would you agree that that is a generalization, and not a universal truth for all?

As for fear, I have sought my fears and faced them head on.  That's the only way for me to overcome them and move beyond them.  I was once talking to a close friend about coming up against an internal wall and not yet figuring out how to get over, around or under it.  She advised me to do none of the above; rather to burst through it so it no longer exists.  And that's a practice I have routinely engaged in, when encountering fears that hold me back.  It's really quite liberating. 

In my 20s, I was too busy actually building those walls and then running away from them.  :)




jakeskajira -> RE: just a question (12/28/2007 2:20:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

quote:

ORIGINAL: jakeskajira
ownedgirlie : I do understand exactly what are saying about apprehension, and narrowminded ness, this is why some people who are drawn to this lifestyle can't truely let go enough to do it, because they aren't "ready"... but that could mean they are 20.. or 45... that again is a "ready" thing in my mind.. (I could be totally mid understanding what your saying..) but Im afraid all the time, I am just willing to face my fear. which is what you mean right? you meet it head on? some people NEVER find the strength to do that... your a strong woman, I respect that.


I misunderstood - physically vs. emotionally/mentally.  While you may be mostly correct about that, would you agree that that is a generalization, and not a universal truth for all?

As for fear, I have sought my fears and faced them head on.  That's the only way for me to overcome them and move beyond them.  I was once talking to a close friend about coming up against an internal wall and not yet figuring out how to get over, around or under it.  She advised me to do none of the above; rather to burst through it so it no longer exists.  And that's a practice I have routinely engaged in, when encountering fears that hold me back.  It's really quite liberating. 

In my 20s, I was too busy actually building those walls and then running away from them.  :)



Past trauma can cause many people want to hide behind walls and make them afraid to trust. (If that is what your refering too, being hurt emotionally and mentally cause cause scars and fears that run deep and aren't seen on the surface)

I think it is very liberating to trust someone, my husbands the first person i've ever trusted. (growing up in a family raised were I was taught you can't rely on anyone or depend on anyone but yourself they still don't understand why im a submissive wife LOL)   I think its wonderful when you can learn to not let your fears or past hold you back. That is awesome for personal self growth... and many people can't do that, they are to afraid to even try.

When you put yourself out there, you put yourself at risk for harm, you have to learn to trust, many people aren't willing to do that. or can't understand why people are willing to do that.
It takes a lot of guts. I don't know what your history is, but it sounds liek you have a good solid head onyour shoulders.  I think that more people, even in a vanilla setting would do well in their life if they weren't so afraid to trust other people... but society has sort of.. made that impossible...

regards, slave emma




juliaoceania -> RE: just a question (12/28/2007 2:24:33 PM)

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As long as that's the reason younger people are on the scene, they deserve the same respect as everyone else. :)


You know, I tend to agree with you, but I have the tendency to show more tolerance of younger people when they overstate their experience sometimes, rather than less tolerance. There was recently a post by someone who was inexperienced in which they stated that something was not very dangerous that in fact can be extremely so... Now I responded to that post in a very tolerant way because of this person's age... if I had posted the way I normally do, perhaps I  have been more intolerant of what they were expressing, seeing as I was injured during this type of play. Perhaps age shouldn't matter in how we respond, but it often does




CalifChick -> RE: just a question (12/28/2007 2:30:45 PM)

Emma, I just wanted to say that I think you seem to be a mature, thinking, compassionate young woman, and I wish you well in your life's journey.

By the way, there are several young people here that I look forward to reading what they have to say, two that come to mind immediately are sodsta, who is posting on this thread, and TheScrivener.  Both are also mature young men who I think will do well in life.

Cali




juliaoceania -> RE: just a question (12/28/2007 2:31:25 PM)

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then there is that chip that a load of them have most people on here at 40 just walked into the life so know even less than someone at 20 whos been working it for 5 years.


Is this the type of chip you are talking about?

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but thats just what ive seen an if yall dont like it well blow me





CalifChick -> RE: just a question (12/28/2007 2:35:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

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ORIGINAL: CalifChick
And I surely didn't post in a forum demanding to know why I wasn't taken seriously as a Dominant (several recent threads), pitching a stomping little fit.


Was the internet around then? 


Okay, buddy, don't make me kick yer ass.  First I had to bug the bejeebers out of God to finish that 6 day thing he had going that could have been done in 2 days (takes some men FOREVER to finish anything), then while he was resting up, I had to go through the whole "inventing the written word thing", blaze thru stone tablets, papyrus, printing presses, typewriters, the BBS era, and finally got a chance to catch my breath when I let some dude take credit for inventing the internet.  So maybe I wasn't 20, maybe I was 22 then.

Sheesh.  Picky, picky, picky.

Cali




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