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YesMistressIrish -> RE: how do I get my power back? (12/29/2007 11:51:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

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If you don't feel confident in dominating or submitting (because we both switch) to your partner and if you find it hard to get into sex or get your partner to get into sex... and some of this is down to insecurity, confidence, ongoing trust issues etc. based on bad past experiences in the relationship (even though everything else between you is now great)... how would you go about improving things to improve your sex life, your scenes and your confidence?


You don't trust her.  You don't trust her to submit, and you don't trust her to submit to her. 

If you can't trust her, there is no relationship.

If you can trust her....what's the problem?


Celtic Lord has it!

Miss Irish
~~~~~~~~~~~~~




came4U -> RE: how do I get my power back? (12/29/2007 11:57:04 AM)

OP, she has made you her 'lil bitch.

Good luck with that.





myanon -> RE: how do I get my power back? (12/29/2007 11:58:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Hotch
I know I’m gonna come off as an asshole here, but you're sounding like a whinny bitch. 

yes you do come off as an asshole... it was kind of uncalled for... I'm genuinely asking for advice here and not just whingeing. But see it that way if you like.
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The only reason I'm saying this is because if I see it in this post, then your girlfriend is seeing it in the relationship and she's acting on it.  She's calling you out when you try to top her because she senses you're "playing" and out of your normal pattern of behavior.  You don't address the bad behavior, you let it hurt you.  The cheating could mean the end of the relationship, or it could be a very loud message that she wants you to "take her back".  Either way, she's treating you like a piece of shit, you're letting it happen and she is loosing respect for you.  Because she doesn't respect you in a dominant roll, she goofs on you and hurts your fragile ego.  Because she says she DOES want to be dominated and the rest of your relationship is good, this puts you in a tight spot.  It's hard to change someone’s perception because they will vehemently resist change.  She's already thrown up some major challenges that aren't going to be solved diplomatically and you can be assured that when you address the bad behavior, she's gonna give it to you with both barrels.  You risk disrupting the rest of your "good" relationship as your girlfriend tries to sabotage your efforts to regain the Alpha male roll in her life.  Good luck, hope you can rise to the challenge.


I think you've summed it all up really really well here... I guess if you can get past what you perceive as my whinning... I'm asking for practical advice and instructions on how to take back that Alpha role. I would particularly like you to respond with ideas because you just summed up my situation so nicely... it sounds like you would have some good suggestions so I can rise to the challenge!




myanon -> RE: how do I get my power back? (12/29/2007 11:59:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: came4U

OP, she has made you her 'lil bitch.

Good luck with that.




damn it I know this people!!! How do I change it???




jakeskajira -> RE: how do I get my power back? (12/29/2007 11:59:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: myanon

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ORIGINAL: jakeskajira
Seek couples counselling, I know a couple kink friendly psychologists who do online counselling as well, I can send you to their homepages....

unfortunately counselling isn't an option where we are but I'd appreciate the online stuff if you can send it to me :)
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My advice (while I went to school for psychology, I didn't finish my degree) --- is plainly.. communication. That is the most BASIC starting foundation for ANY relationship. It builds trust, it builds respect... and with out communication, the relationship will fail.

I couldn't agree more... we HAVE communicated ALOT about these issues... my desire to do something else stems from the fact that the communication hasn't helped everything and I think it's time for us both to stop feeling bad about what happened but to start doing things which make us both feel good.
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If you cannot get the trust back, if you can't respect each other, if you cannot communicate with each other.. you  have to learn how...

trying hard!!
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There are many people out there who LIKE the type of treatment she gave you, if you are not one of those, i'd walk away.... let her find someone who wants to be treated like that, it isn't an inhereant "problem" with her, but rather a mistmatch of basic personalities... it is doable and possible to work around these issues, and even over come them, but it is also possible this is who she is and she wants to be that type of person... which means she won't change...

I'm not one of those but I don't think she is one who wants one of those either... she was just inexperienced and immature and she is also quite different to others I have been with so I wasn't equiped or prepared to deal with this stuff at the time. I don't think she wants to be that type of person either... she has changed her behaviour. That whole side of it is in the past... it's the other lingering effects which remain.
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I wish you the best of luck, and I hope you figure it out.

thanks





In that case there's alot of hope for the relationship, but it will be a lot of work for both of you : remember you BOTH have to give 100% of your effort too.. its not a 50/50 thing.. both of you have to give 100% of your effort... you can't force her to change, you are only responsible for yourself and your actions...

here's MistressAlpha's website : http://www.mistressalpha.co.uk/

I am looking up MasterMind LA -- he's in the US and has yahoo, and I know he goes out of his way to help people even for free online, he's a great resource.  here is his contact info : http://www.slaveregister.com/p/MindMasterLA/

You can tell him emma refered oyu in your email if you wish. (He also has yahoo messenger)




myanon -> RE: how do I get my power back? (12/29/2007 12:00:50 PM)

thanks for that jakeskajira




came4U -> RE: how do I get my power back? (12/29/2007 12:20:19 PM)

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damn it I know this people!!! How do I change it???


Dear, I really doubt you can.

Yanno when you allow a child to do a negative behavior over and over, and then try to fix it?  That is what you did. 

She has no respect for you from what I read.  That is equal fault on both of you. Simply put, you have allowed too much and have become addicted to the person and the behavior.

A youngin has mind like a sponge inthat you can change behavior easier and quicker.  This gal, umm she is spun, rude and well, cruel.

It is time to take back your power by refusing to be her emotional punchingbag. 





MistressNoName -> RE: how do I get my power back? (12/29/2007 12:21:59 PM)

I'm going to chime in at this point. I don't think this is an issue for couples counseling. If the OP is clearly saying that the girl's behavior has improved, then obviously she (OP - profile states female) does have some skill at disciplining and making her wants known. However, the stuff from the past still seems to be eating at you - OP. That is an individual issue. Perhaps, then, you really are not as "confident" as you first claimed to be. Or were you speaking of your confidence purely on a professional level? But, on a deeper, more personal level, it may be that there are some issues to work through. And I would start with seeking professional, kink-friendly, bi-friendly counseling. If you have a local LGBT center in your area, check out their services. Most do offer one-to-one and group counseling around many issues besides coming-out. So, use it as a resource. And even if they do not offer counseling, which would be hard to believe, they may be able to recommend low-cost counselors within the community.

And just to expound on the kink-friendly, bi-friendly counseling - If you do decide to seek counseling, please be sure not to accept any counselor just because someone recommended them or they assured you they were suitable to your needs. Do give them a chance to prove themselves, but don't be afraid to walk away from a counseling situation that, after a really good try, has proven not to be helpful, growthful, or emotionally healthy. And please try to hold out for a counselor that truly understands D/s dynamics. Not just someone who is willing to listen to your story, but someone who really knows about WIITWD, is non-judgmental and supportive, and who is a good therapist. And state credentialed, of course, to offer this kind of treatment.

And best to you,

MNN

Edited to add: Here's the link to the National LGBT Help Center - http://www.glnh.org/index2.html




myanon -> RE: how do I get my power back? (12/29/2007 12:32:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: came4U

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damn it I know this people!!! How do I change it???


Dear, I really doubt you can.

Yanno when you allow a child to do a negative behavior over and over, and then try to fix it?  That is what you did. 

She has no respect for you from what I read.  That is equal fault on both of you. Simply put, you have allowed too much and have become addicted to the person and the behavior.

I accept full responsibilty for my part in allowing this to happen... I know it wouldn't have all turned out this way if I had dealt with it better at the time.
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A youngin has mind like a sponge inthat you can change behavior easier and quicker.  This gal, umm she is spun, rude and well, cruel.

What we've both done to improve things since has worked but it hasn't "fixed" everything and this is what I'm hoping to acheive and I'm posting here to get advice and new perspectives on a course of action.

Given that we have made significant changes I think that more changes are possible... she is still young and has proved her ability to make changes already... particularly over the past year.
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It is time to take back your power by refusing to be her emotional punchingbag. 

I feel like I've done this to some extent by discussing it with her and stopping the negative behaviour but obviously I can do better at this since it's still affecting me. Ideas???

I also feel like if I could change the way I act in some way or have some more consistently successful scenes with her or something that I could regain some of my confidence. Ideas for this???






myanon -> RE: how do I get my power back? (12/29/2007 12:35:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MistressNoName

I'm going to chime in at this point. I don't think this is an issue for couples counseling. If the OP is clearly saying that the girl's behavior has improved, then obviously she (OP - profile states female) does have some skill at disciplining and making her wants known. However, the stuff from the past still seems to be eating at you - OP. That is an individual issue. Perhaps, then, you really are not as "confident" as you first claimed to be. Or were you speaking of your confidence purely on a professional level? But, on a deeper, more personal level, it may be that there are some issues to work through. And I would start with seeking professional, kink-friendly, bi-friendly counseling. If you have a local LGBT center in your area, check out their services. Most do offer one-to-one and group counseling around many issues besides coming-out. So, use it as a resource. And even if they do not offer counseling, which would be hard to believe, they may be able to recommend low-cost counselors within the community.

And just to expound on the kink-friendly, bi-friendly counseling - If you do decide to seek counseling, please be sure not to accept any counselor just because someone recommended them or they assured you they were suitable to your needs. Do give them a chance to prove themselves, but don't be afraid to walk away from a counseling situation that, after a really good try, has proven not to be helpful, growthful, or emotionally healthy. And please try to hold out for a counselor that truly understands D/s dynamics. Not just someone who is willing to listen to your story, but someone who really knows about WIITWD, is non-judgmental and supportive, and who is a good therapist. And state credentialed, of course, to offer this kind of treatment.

And best to you,

MNN

Edited to add: Here's the link to the National LGBT Help Center - http://www.glnh.org/index2.html


thankyou!

Yes it is an individual issue of confidence (within this relationship... normally I'm very confident within relationships and I remain very confident professionally) and the past still eating at me... which I'm trying to improve and I'm seeking ways to do this. I put all the background information in there as simply that... background... but unfortunately everyone got so hung up those issues.




DesFIP -> RE: how do I get my power back? (12/29/2007 12:36:41 PM)

You can't discipline her if she isn't willing to be disciplined, that's abuse.

You can't dominate her without her consent.

You may want to be the dominant in the relationship, but you need her agree to be the submissive. Plus since you both switch, she may not feel that she can submit to you. Some people can't handle a dominant who switches.

Talk to her. But I'm betting she doesn't feel submissive to you, anymore than you feel dominant towards her. You can have kinky sex, you can have a good vanilla relationship. But it doesn't seem like you can have a solid D/s relationship. Do you need one or can you be satisfied with a good vanilla relationship filled with kinky sex wherein you both get to top or bottom whenever you are both in the mood.

As far as mindbending orgasms for her, ask her what were the common denominators there. If she needs a 24/7 dominant, then accept that she's satisfied with the sex she has and accept that the mindbending ones aren't going to happen.

You folks need to learn to listen to each other, to take turns talking, to learn good communication skills.




came4U -> RE: how do I get my power back? (12/29/2007 12:37:03 PM)

k, sorry 'bout that. I wouldn't have the patience for someone with such lack of respect and who had arrogance enough to mock ya. 


I see you adore her and want to try hard to keep her.  I will shut up now lol. [:D]  




LadyHugs -> RE: how do I get my power back? (12/29/2007 12:43:54 PM)

Dear myanon, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
Power is a perception as well as something that is achieved--not 'magicly' appears and or an entitlement.  Not much different from respect.  It is not much different than than being the person who you want to be and how you want people to treat you by teaching others how to treat you.  Sometimes, this takes courage and draw from within and draw the line of what you will or will not tolerate.  Something that is precious and hard to keep and easy to loose--You.
 
Power is what you are.  Make a choice from the moment you decide--enough.
 
No matter who's advices you follow externally--it must be a commitment no matter if it may mean the relationship ends.  Making excuses for other's bad behavior is only delaying the future result.  It is no different from being in a poisoned relationship for the sake of the kids syndrome but, what isn't told--is how the kids fault themselves or take on adult issues because the parents don't stop the drama and the negativity and like a vortex draws them in and changes who they are forever.
 
Taking back your power?  Actually, you have had the power all along.  Power is independent thought, independent actions, independent goals and dreams.  Power is enacted by doing something, such as leaving someone, career changes, moving to another state--that is power.  Power is a summary of courage, resolve, making changes as to improve you, yours and others, to use wisely and justly--to respect it and to withdraw power from someone who uses it to hurt you and or others.  Borrowing from the US Army-- The power of one.
 
Just some thoughts.

Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs

 
 
 
 




myanon -> RE: how do I get my power back? (12/29/2007 12:47:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP
You can't discipline her if she isn't willing to be disciplined, that's abuse.

agreed... she's mostly not into that anyway
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You can't dominate her without her consent.

She's requested that I dominate her... but she won't exactly submit to me when I try.
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You may want to be the dominant in the relationship, but you need her agree to be the submissive. Plus since you both switch, she may not feel that she can submit to you. Some people can't handle a dominant who switches.

good point and quite possible... although she has at times submitted to me (not just bottoming) it's just inconsistent and not that easy for either of us to do or to switch back that easily.
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Talk to her. But I'm betting she doesn't feel submissive to you, anymore than you feel dominant towards her. You can have kinky sex, you can have a good vanilla relationship. But it doesn't seem like you can have a solid D/s relationship. Do you need one or can you be satisfied with a good vanilla relationship filled with kinky sex wherein you both get to top or bottom whenever you are both in the mood.

Neither of us is looking for a 24/7 D/s relationship and it obviously doesn't suit us either!! So looking for a kinky vanilla relationship with a dash of bdsm I guess.
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As far as mindbending orgasms for her, ask her what were the common denominators there. If she needs a 24/7 dominant, then accept that she's satisfied with the sex she has and accept that the mindbending ones aren't going to happen.

Will ask about the mindbending orgasms... but mindful that I don't want this to become too big of an issue to focus on or make either of us feel bad about. Any ideas to make this a game or more fun?




myanon -> RE: how do I get my power back? (12/29/2007 12:49:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: came4U

k, sorry 'bout that. I wouldn't have the patience for someone with such lack of respect and who had arrogance enough to mock ya. 


I see you adore her and want to try hard to keep her.  I will shut up now lol. [:D]  


no offence taken! [:D]





Hotch -> RE: how do I get my power back? (12/29/2007 12:55:19 PM)

First, my wife thinks your relationship is doomed.  She doesn’t think you’ll be able to gain back control without driving her away.  She didn’t notice anywhere in your post where you said your girlfriend was invested in this relationship.

I see it as a relationship that has turned unhealthy and your job is to set it right or let it go.

Assuming this was happening to me and I knew there was a relationship to save and both parties were committed to it, then this is how I would handle it:

I’d take her out for the weekend, to remove the daily distractions.  Over dinner I’d apologize for my behavior.  I’d let her know I haven’t been providing her with the type of support she needs because my love for her and desire to be gentle with her had blinded me to her bad behavior.  Overtime by allowing her to indulge in these actions, I’ve hurt our relationship and because I do love her and I do want to save the relationship, it’s time to make a change (this is all gonna sound really corny if you don’t believe it).  I’d also let her know that even though my passiveness has allowed her act the way she has, she is ultimately responsible for her behavior and there will be consequences.  What I want from her right now is a commitment to putting our relationship back on a healthy course, and to know I won’t walk away from her if she will stand by me.

Depending on how she responds to this, you’ll have your answer.  How you proceed is up to you.  It’s pretty much impossible to give you specific advice, you have to plot your own course. 

<edit>  See... I wrote the following assuming a m/f relationship.  This just confirms the fact that it's nearly impossible to give specific advice, that the only people who know what is right are the one's in the relationship.</edit>

... I’d definitely let the dude she cheated with know he’s lucky not to be in the hospital and he should stay out of site if he wants to keep it that way… or maybe I’d put him in the hospital to make sure he gets my point.




Aeon -> RE: how do I get my power back? (12/29/2007 12:55:52 PM)

My goodness, my goodness.  What a tangled web we weave!  LOL  Okay some background on me before I say my bit...
I was in an abusive relationship for THREE years (and even after three years of invested time it was still best to end it).  I was a victim of the evil trifecta...psychological, emotional AND physical abuse.  So the description of your past dealings with this woman truly resonate with me.  I will assure you that an abusive relationship is exactly what you "had" in the beginning.  Abusers ALWAYS follow the same patterns.  They talk themselves up to seem the perfect partner and charm the pants right off of you.  Then they isolate you and break you down...emotionally.  That way once the victim realizes they are being victimized they are already so "in love" and insecure that they feel they cannot function without that person and choose instead to fight through it and refuse to give up.   Much of this describes exactly how your girlfriend behaved.
Now I am going to take your word for the fact that her behavior has changed although it is my experience that abusive people never change, they merely find other ways to manifest their abuse.  The problem seems to be that YOU have NOT changed.  When she did these things to you in the past and you did nothing about it, you allowed her to become your Domme and you her sub.  The roles have been set.  She is obviously much more comfortable in the role of the top simply based on the fact that it was her natural inclination in the beginning when the relationship was new.   If she cannot get into having sex with you anymore or gets out of the mood as easily as she gets into it then it sounds like she's just comfortable with you and not so much seeing you as an equal partner worthy of admiration or sexual desire.  And in all honesty you are allowing her to continue feeling this way by not demanding the treatment you deserve.  By showing a lack of enthusiasm in your sexual encounters she is still topping you in that she is controlling your ability to function furthering your lack of confidence and insecurity.  I'm not saying she is doing this consciously, but nevertheless she is doing it.  As I've stated, the roles have been set.
So what to do now?  First of all, this is not about changing who she is.  You need to reset the dynamic in your relationship which seems to be more about changing how YOU feel.  To be perfectly blunt I think as the others do...that you should leave.  I find it hard to believe that you will be able to reverse the damage that has obviously been done. But if there is any hope, you're gonna have to suck it up to start with.  You're going to have to finally let go of all those things that you say are in the past (as its obvious that they are still very present in your mind).  Give yourself a pep talk three times a day in the mirror if you have to!  But put up a wall of self-confidence that no one can break through.  So that no matter what she says or does it will bounce off of you with no effect.  And definitely realize and accept that all those things she did to make you feel insecure were done because of her own insecurity.  See it for the pathetic, weak behavior it was.  Hold onto her weakness in your heart and mind.  And as was said before no more wishy-washiness.  You're going to have to overcompensate now coming back from a negative.  Stick to topping for a while and make it clear that things are going to be the way you want them or not at all.  That you've had enough.  Its been two years.  Its high time for this relationship to either work or not work....the moment of truth so to speak.  You need to re-establish your Dominance in order to FEEL that you have regained her respect and undo the dynamic that has been established in both of your subconscious.  Then and ONLY then will you be able to trust her again with your submission and really command hers.
These are very hard to rectify issues that you're dealing with because they are based on history and memories (which cannot be changed) and subconscious emotional reactions (which are incredibly hard to alter).  Hence my lack of optimism (sorry for that).  But I do wish you the best of luck. 




myanon -> RE: how do I get my power back? (12/29/2007 12:57:08 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHugs

Dear myanon, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
Power is a perception as well as something that is achieved--not 'magicly' appears and or an entitlement.  Not much different from respect.  It is not much different than than being the person who you want to be and how you want people to treat you by teaching others how to treat you.  Sometimes, this takes courage and draw from within and draw the line of what you will or will not tolerate.  Something that is precious and hard to keep and easy to loose--You.
 
Power is what you are.  Make a choice from the moment you decide--enough.
 
No matter who's advices you follow externally--it must be a commitment no matter if it may mean the relationship ends.  Making excuses for other's bad behavior is only delaying the future result.  It is no different from being in a poisoned relationship for the sake of the kids syndrome but, what isn't told--is how the kids fault themselves or take on adult issues because the parents don't stop the drama and the negativity and like a vortex draws them in and changes who they are forever.
 
Taking back your power?  Actually, you have had the power all along.  Power is independent thought, independent actions, independent goals and dreams.  Power is enacted by doing something, such as leaving someone, career changes, moving to another state--that is power.  Power is a summary of courage, resolve, making changes as to improve you, yours and others, to use wisely and justly--to respect it and to withdraw power from someone who uses it to hurt you and or others.  Borrowing from the US Army-- The power of one.
 
Just some thoughts.

Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs

 
 
 
 


Thankyou LadyHugs.

I don't think power is an entitlement... and I know I've always had it but I do feel like I foolishly gave away too much of it... or allowed it to be taken. I'll try to keep your words in the back of my head while I act to resolve this.




CalifChick -> RE: how do I get my power back? (12/29/2007 12:57:15 PM)

I agree with others that trust is a serious issue here.  You may feel that you have forgiven her for mocking you, for humiliating you, for cheating on you, but you have not.  And you cannot forgive and move on until she really gets how much it hurt you and affected you.  And she doesn't.  Her behavior now says she does not.  Until she demonstrates to you that she "gets it", you're never going to be able to go forward with her.

And her poor behavior is continuing.  She may tell you she wants you to dominate her, but she is not submitting to you.  You cannot force her to submit, she has to do it herself.  And she is not doing it.  What does that tell you?  We cannot tell you how to GET her to submit, it has to come from her.  Maybe send her over here and we'll let her have it!

Oh, I had another thought... when she said, "Oh are you on a power trip now" or whatever it was she said, which I think you said was in the middle of sex, what was your response?  Was it, "yes bitch, feel my power" as you flipped her over and spanked her ass?  Or was it to allow her to belittle you?

Cali




myanon -> RE: how do I get my power back? (12/29/2007 12:58:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Hotch

First, my wife thinks your relationship is doomed.  She doesn’t think you’ll be able to gain back control without driving her away.  She didn’t notice anywhere in your post where you said your girlfriend was invested in this relationship.

I see it as a relationship that has turned unhealthy and your job is to set it right or let it go.

Assuming this was happening to me and I knew there was a relationship to save and both parties were committed to it, then this is how I would handle it:

I’d take her out for the weekend, to remove the daily distractions.  Over dinner I’d apologize for my behavior.  I’d let her know I haven’t been providing her with the type of support she needs because my love for her and desire to be gentle with her had blinded me to her bad behavior.  Overtime by allowing her to indulge in these actions, I’ve hurt our relationship and because I do love her and I do want to save the relationship, it’s time to make a change (this is all gonna sound really corny if you don’t believe it).  I’d also let her know that even though my passiveness has allowed her act the way she has, she is ultimately responsible for her behavior and there will be consequences.  What I want from her right now is a commitment to putting our relationship back on a healthy course, and to know I won’t walk away from her if she will stand by me.

Depending on how she responds to this, you’ll have your answer.  How you proceed is up to you.  It’s pretty much impossible to give you specific advice, you have to plot your own course.  I’d definitely let the dude she cheated with know he’s lucky not to be in the hospital and he should stay out of site if he wants to keep it that way… or maybe I’d put him in the hospital to make sure he gets my point.


brilliant thankyou




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