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Betrayed by Master - 12/30/2007 5:17:17 PM   
creatrix


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From: Roseville, MI (GO PISTONS!)
Status: offline 		hello!
 
i am very new here, but grateful for a place to ask questions. i had been a slave of passion for a Master for 10 months and family issues caused me to move back to my home state 1,500 miles away. i have known he had other subs, that is not my problem. we had been maintaining a long distance communication now for the last three weeks (when i moved)
 
my problem is that he betrayed me by publishing my writings and poetry that was very erotic and explicit and took credit for them. the subject came up when i was talking about publishing my work and he told me i couldn't, COMMANDED that i couldn't... when i asked him why... he kept changing the subject... until i confronted him about publishing my stuff himself. upon this realization and confronting him, he just didn't answer me... he told me i was not to ask questions. i got VERY pissed and told him to f*** off. I cut off communication with him until the next day when i emailed him to find out WHY he betrayed me... but also to thank him for teaching me the things he taught me about serving (as an afterthought, i think i never should have thanked him for anything)... but that all the assignments for me over the last 10 months that were for me to write were for his personal gain, knowing how awesome a writer i am, went WAY over the line of Dom/sub relationships. i am grieving a plethora of things here... is this common for a Dom to betray a sub?
 
first of all, the trust i had for him is broken and i am both angry and hurt, i don't even know which one i am more!
 
next, i feel the loss of serving him... like i need to reconsider my anger and just get over it, even though i am in the process of publishing my work.
 
i also i am heart broken... simply heart broken... like a small helpless child...
 
i had read some of the other threads about healing from a break-up with a Dom and i did get some beautiful insight (ie; rest, exercise, self-care, meditation, and generally keeping myself busy).
 
i do know that i cannot just ask anyone about this... i just cannot call up one of my friends and say, "Hey, my Master stole something from me and i broke off the relationship and now i am grieving... got any suggestions?",  they would think i was nuts... as vanilla people do...
 
i wasn't sure if i should post here or in the questions for a master... all i am asking for is some direction. i would press charges for plagery... but i really don't have substantial proof...
 
thanks
 
~creatrix~
 
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RE: Betrayed by Master - 12/30/2007 5:39:05 PM   
SlaveOwnerDave


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Status: offline 		Greetings creatrix,

I am sorry for the loses you have suffered. I do indeed know how that feels, and wish I did not.

One thing I suggest: If you know where he plans to use your work, mail them a letter explaining the situation. I say "mail" because mail has more impact in literary circles. Be sure other appropriate people know the writing is stolen.

At the risk of sounding stupid and patronizing at the same time: There are more Doms out there--right here, in fact!

Find some who sound good to you. 'Talk' with them. As the story comes out in conversation, They might have good advice for you. In any case, They (and subs, too!) would provide a sounding board for solutions. And one of Them just might be for you forever!

My advice is rather lame, but I wish you success!

Sincerely,
Master Dave

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RE: Betrayed by Master - 12/30/2007 5:52:38 PM   
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If I were you, and if I wanted to publish them in the future, I'd start making a paper trail now by talking to a lawyer tomorrow. Print out the e-mails you sent them to him in if you still have them and mail them to yourself, but don't break the seal. Anything that could prove you wrote them, right it down now. You might be able to have the credit stripped from him and, me being me, I would do it.

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RE: Betrayed by Master - 12/30/2007 6:06:58 PM   
creatrix


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From: Roseville, MI (GO PISTONS!)
Status: offline 		i have hope that i will find it easy to trust/serve another Dom. Just as all men are different, all Doms are different... (aren't they?) This relationship was my first experience serving a Master, so, perhaps that is why i am so glum right now... i really loved serving him... (*gotta stop that remenising* sp?) 

i have all of my emails. problem is that I do not have a printer and I really do not want to go to the *library* and print these out. Cyber cafes charge a LOT to print and access, at least in the Detroit area... i will do what i can. at any rate, the headers on the email are dated and nobody can change that.

i am just sick to my stomach over the WHOLE thing. sick...
thanks to all for your input, i appreciate it.

creatrix

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RE: Betrayed by Master - 12/30/2007 6:18:29 PM   
AquaticSub


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Status: offline 		The e-mails are dated, my guess is that having them mailed to yourself (particularly if they are of stories he has but hasn't published yet) are your best bet. If you talk to a lawyer they will probably print them for you.

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RE: Betrayed by Master - 12/30/2007 6:25:23 PM   
Rushemery


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Status: offline 		ok Im not taking sides but what type of relationship did you have in many M/s relationships regardless of who wrote it or what not normally what yours is his and whats his is his you should keep this in mind, just a thought

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RE: Betrayed by Master - 12/30/2007 6:28:58 PM   
Rushemery


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Status: offline 		I would also like to add he should have told you and then been honest about it, the way you described it he wasnt honest regardless of your relationship type 

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RE: Betrayed by Master - 12/30/2007 6:36:05 PM   
swtnsparkling


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Status: offline 		I am wondering about the same thing. What kind of relationship was it?
Master/slave but Master does not own all of slave- only portions?
If it was a total ownership  then your writings  belong to him also. No?

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RE: Betrayed by Master - 12/30/2007 7:08:25 PM   
AquaticSub


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quote:

ORIGINAL: swtnsparkling

I am wondering about the same thing. What kind of relationship was it?
Master/slave but Master does not own all of slave- only portions?
If it was a total ownership  then your writings  belong to him also. No?


I would say that is up for discussion and shouldn't be assumed without negotiation. While unpredictable things come in relationships and there are crossed wires, if he assumed ownership gave him those rights (and at less than a year I wouldn't give away rights to my intellectual property) and she didn't, it is MHO that the honorable thing would be to release the rights back to her legally. However, his actions lead me to believe that he didn't think he had the right to them - otherwise he would have told her outright instead of dodging the issue.

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Without my dominance you cannot submit. Without your submission I cannot dominate. You are my equal in this, though our roles are different.-Val

It was ok for him to beat me but then he tried to cuddle me! - Me

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RE: Betrayed by Master - 12/30/2007 7:11:57 PM   
creatrix


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Status: offline 		The relationship was a STRICTLY (so he said) role playing relationship with NO TIES. But, i had to keep contact daily, i had assignments daily and any other request he had me do daily. he called me at work and demanded i do as he say... it was very hard at times to please him, no matter what... i had to be punctual when we did get together. He also had a full-time slave that was collared (that I recently found out about)... There were no contracts between us, no safe words because he said we didn't need those, as it was not a serious relationship... (I was not allowed to date other men either)... but now, i know there should have been a safe word implemented, however serious or non-serious it was. Many times i had said stop, but he wouldn't and paid dearly for it in the days that followed - he said he claimed his RIGHT as Master). Things seemed to get a "bit out of hand" at times, but i remended myeslf that I was trying to be obedient...

The more i think of it, the more i realize he was just a controlling *ssh*le... I really was a dedicated servant... he did commend me for it, but, now i see his true colors. when he found out that i was a writer of eroticism, that is when he started "dating" me and then he started the role playing thing... i enjoyed most of it... maybe too much... and he definately saw my vulnerability and used it for his benefit...

WOW.

Talk about someone holding your eyelids open so you can see! Shoot! I've been tallywacked! He should be thankful that it would cost me too much to fly there and slap him in the face, or I would do it in a Detroit-minute! (or tie HIM up and flog him with a cat-o-nine til he bleeds all over like he did to me... especially after he said stop the 3rd time!).

All Masters aren't like this are they? Was I assulted if I said stop and he didn't?
My head is swimming now... I wanna throw up...

~creatrix~

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RE: Betrayed by Master - 12/30/2007 7:27:34 PM   
Rushemery


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Status: offline 		I am sorry this happened to you, yes he should have stoped, you should have known a lot more about everything, you should have had a contract and a safe word, you always have a right to say no, he took advantage, but also I hate to say it you let him, think I better run for cover 

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RE: Betrayed by Master - 12/30/2007 7:40:40 PM   
creatrix


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From: Roseville, MI (GO PISTONS!)
Status: offline 		Oh Rushemery,
You are SO right. I had choices and I kept making the wrong decisions.
I know now. I feel like such a fool... but I did learn from this...
I am very glad I came here tonight. I feel empowered to continue, stronger...
Thanks to all!

~creatrix~

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RE: Betrayed by Master - 12/30/2007 7:50:48 PM   
Hergirl0824


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Status: offline 		i am so sorry this has happened to you. there is no worse feeling than being betrayed by someone you trusted the most...do everything you can to help yourself both personally and legally concerning your writings and please keep writing..you may find that it will help you with dealing with your feelings over the breakup

good luck to you


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RE: Betrayed by Master - 12/30/2007 7:51:22 PM   
Zephalt


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Status: offline 		Personally, I ensure a safeword in general - even if suspended for a particular period of play, an object would be held by the sub and if that object falls or is let go I stop - if the suspended safeword is uttered - assume safety first always and that the safeword is reinstated by unforseen circumstances the sub needs to have respected. We can always regain the rythym and its kind of fun to do so - especially as then trust is deepened. I know others do not do this but I prefer to be able to laugh together tomorrow instead of fearing consequences.

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RE: Betrayed by Master - 12/30/2007 8:08:18 PM   
AquaticSub


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quote:

ORIGINAL: creatrix

All Masters aren't like this are they? Was I assulted if I said stop and he didn't?
My head is swimming now... I wanna throw up...


That, sadly, is a very complicated question in the world of d/s. Legally, yes. However, you did continue playing with him and some relationships, including my own, allow the dominant/master to ignore the word no. It doesn't sound like you two had the best communication and while I would encourage you to persue getting your intellectual property back, it would be a shame to give him a sexual crime on his record if it was simply crossed wires and he thought the relationship was one way when you didn't want it to be.

You will have to do what you think is best of course. Only you and he know what actually happened.

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Without my dominance you cannot submit. Without your submission I cannot dominate. You are my equal in this, though our roles are different.-Val

It was ok for him to beat me but then he tried to cuddle me! - Me

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RE: Betrayed by Master - 12/30/2007 8:29:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		You may want to copywright or patent your material..If he has not done so, and you do, then legally it will be yours...Tempting

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RE: Betrayed by Master - 12/30/2007 9:28:45 PM   
junecleaver


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Status: offline 		So sorry this has happened to you.  I hope that all legal stuff favors you.  After the pain subsides, you will realize how incredibly lame it is to steal others writing and all attraction towards him will be snuffed out.


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RE: Betrayed by Master - 12/30/2007 9:37:47 PM   
christine1


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Status: offline 		regardless of the type of relationship it was, he had no right to claim those writings as his own because they weren't. 

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RE: Betrayed by Master - 12/30/2007 10:22:46 PM   
Typcynic


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Status: offline 		He's fucking scum and not worthy of being called mASSter.  To steal someones writing is lower than low.  Why, because other than children, there's not many legacies that can carry on long after we die.  But the written word can live on.  It's a reflection, a proof of your existence.  A true Master would derive his satisfaction from knowing the hidden role he played in helping you achieve greatness.  This guy is just a petty creep.

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RE: Betrayed by Master - 12/30/2007 10:40:18 PM   
DragonLadysFire


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Status: offline 		Scum doesn't start to say what he is for stealing such things! 
I am an artist and to have a design or piece stolen would be like having a part of me ripped out!  Especially one I wasn't finished with or hadn't come to terms in parting with it yet. 
By the way he acted he knew what he was doing was wrong.
OK ranting over with. *deep breath*
Yes there are nasty people like that out there, but there are also good ones.  Don't give up, better thing will come.

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