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How do I deal with this? - 1/3/2008 6:57:42 AM   
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I need some advice since this situation is getting really bad.

So, I have my collared slave girl. Fairly recently collared, only about 4 months, but we've known each other and have history going back years. She's like sunshine for me - I'm wildly happy when I'm around her, and quite unhappy when I'm not.

The problem is, for a while now we've barely been able to do anything. We started out quite well engaged, seeing each other 1-2x per week and we were both happy with that and had expected to continue that as the norm. We're both married (to other people), so it's not like we can see each other daily, but that was enough to keep us happy.

But then various things have happened in her life (which I won't get into) that have caused her to cancel virtually every single get together we've planned for the last 3 months. We've had 2 extremely quick "sessions", which I really hesitate to even call sessions, and have seen each other in non D/s situations maybe a dozen times or so, just to keep contact up. But no domination.

While I technically have pretty complete and utter control over most things in her life and most decisions she'd make, I also know when it is and is not appropriate to push on the matter. And nothing has really been her fault. It's just the rest of her life interfering (various different circumstances, usually not the same thing twice), and frequently at the last minute. So it's not like she's overstepping her bounds or not trying to see me, it's just that it hasn't been working out.

Part of the issue is that I get so excited at the prospect of seeing her that I'm absolutely crushed when she cancels at the last minute. I don't want to stop myself from getting excited, since I don't think that's a good way to run the relationship. If I'm not thrilled to see her, then what's the point? Likewise, it's not like I can tell her to only make plans when she's sure she can keep them, since when she makes the plans, she is sure she can keep them. Things just interfere at the last second.

So my quandary is that I'm extremely disappointed about all of this. I barely get to see her, plans keep getting canceled, and it's really difficult to top someone remote. On top of this, since it's really not her fault, I don't feel it's appropriate to just blow up at her for canceling all the time since all that's going to end up doing is add one more piece of stress to her life, which she doesn't need. Hence I'm stuck with a seething anger that's undirected, and an extreme disappointment.

I mean, all of this should be temporary. Once shit gets sorted out, we go back to normal and everything's hunky dory. I've just been reminding myself of that for 3 months now and it just keeps continuing on. There is no doubt whatsoever in my mind that she's worth the wait to get everything back to normal. Though, of course, if it ever turns out that things won't be what we thought would be normal, I'll have to re-evaluate at that point.

More than anything else, I suppose I just needed to vent. I know that there really aren't any good solutions, and maybe not even any really good suggestions, but this is just frustrating as all get out. She's absolutely exactly what I've always been looking for and to now "have" her, but have her seemingly perpetually just out of reach is just awful.
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RE: How do I deal with this? - 1/3/2008 7:04:15 AM   
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I mailed ya on the other side.

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RE: How do I deal with this? - 1/3/2008 7:05:35 AM   
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Both of you can get divorces and then you can be with each other.

Or, you knew things could go awry getting into this, buck up and show 'em your ass.

Drinking heavily has always gotten me thru things like this.

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RE: How do I deal with this? - 1/3/2008 7:16:49 AM   
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Deal with what?  The fact that you're both in committed relationships with other people so you can't commit to each other too?  Exactly what part of you did not see this coming?  I bet it wasn't a part above your waist.

If your spouse and hers are into ethical poly, then quadruple date.  Otherwise, get real.

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RE: How do I deal with this? - 1/3/2008 7:40:10 AM   
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Don't make plans until everything is square.

It's quick advice, and perhaps it looks flippant, but when you're dealing with your own reality, someone else's reality, and some hurt feelings, get your feet in reality and stay there. It only makes you more miserable to "I wish" or "I hope" until you're both ready to leave your marriages.

Cancelling plans at the last minute is your reality at the moment. Make peace with it.

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RE: How do I deal with this? - 1/3/2008 7:45:34 AM   
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Do I have this right? You collared her about four months ago. The first month was pretty wonderful. The past three months have been extremely frustrating. So 75% of the time you're frustrated and 25% of the time you've been happy. Since the good times occurred in the first 25% of the total time, and the frustration arose during the most recent 75% of the total time and is still present, it seems what you're presently going through is normal. I have been there. Right there. Except for the married part. I had to step back and look at the big picture...and do the math.

That's my two bucks worth, anyway.

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RE: How do I deal with this? - 1/3/2008 7:49:09 AM   
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Welcome to the reality of wanting your cake but not willing to make or work for it

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RE: How do I deal with this? - 1/3/2008 7:53:48 AM   
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A "slave" can not serve two Masters.

Enjoy the WIITWD 'booty call' when she permits you the time.

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RE: How do I deal with this? - 1/3/2008 8:00:11 AM   
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quote:

Both of you can get divorces and then you can be with each other.

Or, you knew things could go awry getting into this, buck up and show 'em your ass.

Drinking heavily has always gotten me thru things like this.

Ron

quote:

  Deal with what?  The fact that you're both in committed relationships with other people so you can't commit to each other too?  Exactly what part of you did not see this coming?  I bet it wasn't a part above your waist.

If your spouse and hers are into ethical poly, then quadruple date.  Otherwise, get real.


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  Welcome to the reality of wanting your cake but not willing to make or work for it


quote:

  A "slave" can not serve two Masters.


I quoted all of these because I agree with what every one of them said. I bolded the last because it says everything that needs to be said.

You are both in other relationships. You can not be committed to each other. The main relationship COMES FIRST always.

This is what happens when you want it all and realize that life demands compromise.



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RE: How do I deal with this? - 1/3/2008 8:06:36 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

A "slave" can not serve two Masters.

Enjoy the WIITWD 'booty call' when she permits you the time.


i have to agree w/Mercnbeth as well as the others, this is a "booty call" no more, no less. Though i have no room to talk, i'm in the same situation, but i'm not married. my feelings are just like yours, however, i did tell Him that while i will wait, i have a life that will keep me busy and if i happen to find another One who has more time for me, than so be it.  i enjoy/love the hell out of Him but right now, i'm at a standstill and it's starting to piss me off slightly, hence my profile on this site.  Live your life, divorce your wife if she isn't making you happy and find a sub that's single then come back & update us.

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RE: How do I deal with this? - 1/3/2008 8:10:52 AM   
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If you have reason to believe she is being truthful about the interruptions, and that she is as severely disappointed as you are to have to cancel...

Then I'd say you should see her through this.

If she's hunky-dory with life as it is, doesn't appear overly miserable without you, and is not on the same page as you about how often she needs to be with you....

Then I'd say have a talk with her, without blaming her, but to see what her deal really is. Then make a decision together, if possible, about how to carry on (or break off).

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RE: How do I deal with this? - 1/3/2008 8:18:15 AM   
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If this is "on the side" you have no control only the illusion of control.  End it and next time make sure that both your's and her partners are ok with it that way you can actually establish control.

Mike


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RE: How do I deal with this? - 1/3/2008 8:22:21 AM   
Leonardo


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quote:

ORIGINAL: RoughFN

I need some advice since this situation is getting really bad.

So, I have my collared slave girl. Fairly recently collared, only about 4 months, but we've known each other and have history going back years. She's like sunshine for me - I'm wildly happy when I'm around her, and quite unhappy when I'm not.

The problem is, for a while now we've barely been able to do anything. We started out quite well engaged, seeing each other 1-2x per week and we were both happy with that and had expected to continue that as the norm. We're both married (to other people), so it's not like we can see each other daily, but that was enough to keep us happy.

But then various things have happened in her life (which I won't get into) that have caused her to cancel virtually every single get together we've planned for the last 3 months. We've had 2 extremely quick "sessions", which I really hesitate to even call sessions, and have seen each other in non D/s situations maybe a dozen times or so, just to keep contact up. But no domination.

While I technically have pretty complete and utter control over most things in her life and most decisions she'd make, I also know when it is and is not appropriate to push on the matter. And nothing has really been her fault. It's just the rest of her life interfering (various different circumstances, usually not the same thing twice), and frequently at the last minute. So it's not like she's overstepping her bounds or not trying to see me, it's just that it hasn't been working out.

Part of the issue is that I get so excited at the prospect of seeing her that I'm absolutely crushed when she cancels at the last minute. I don't want to stop myself from getting excited, since I don't think that's a good way to run the relationship. If I'm not thrilled to see her, then what's the point? Likewise, it's not like I can tell her to only make plans when she's sure she can keep them, since when she makes the plans, she is sure she can keep them. Things just interfere at the last second.

So my quandary is that I'm extremely disappointed about all of this. I barely get to see her, plans keep getting canceled, and it's really difficult to top someone remote. On top of this, since it's really not her fault, I don't feel it's appropriate to just blow up at her for canceling all the time since all that's going to end up doing is add one more piece of stress to her life, which she doesn't need. Hence I'm stuck with a seething anger that's undirected, and an extreme disappointment.

I mean, all of this should be temporary. Once shit gets sorted out, we go back to normal and everything's hunky dory. I've just been reminding myself of that for 3 months now and it just keeps continuing on. There is no doubt whatsoever in my mind that she's worth the wait to get everything back to normal. Though, of course, if it ever turns out that things won't be what we thought would be normal, I'll have to re-evaluate at that point.

More than anything else, I suppose I just needed to vent. I know that there really aren't any good solutions, and maybe not even any really good suggestions, but this is just frustrating as all get out. She's absolutely exactly what I've always been looking for and to now "have" her, but have her seemingly perpetually just out of reach is just awful.


A good bit of questions left begging.

Without disclosure of certain unknowns, it is really difficult for anyone to make any comments with any type of specificity (not saying you should disclose the unknowns).

Personally, If ya'll are married, do the spouses know or is this cheating for both of ya'll to get some "strange" on the side in order to play fantasyland when convenient? If the spouses don't knwo and both of ya'll are cheating on each other's spouses, then already I have issue with the flagrant failings of one of the most important elements in D/s and in BDSM... Trust (something spoken by so many but observed by so few).

If continual last-minute problems keep popping up out of nowhere, then I would seriously re-evaluate the entire picture rather than just looking at the little speck on the large painting.

Have ya'll considered why ya'll got married in the first place?

Así és

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RE: How do I deal with this? - 1/3/2008 8:39:24 AM   
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My god, people. I am shocked and appalled at the answers to this posting. I thought that this was a poly friendly site. Was I that much in error? How do you think multiple partners are supposed to work? One alpha dom controlling all of his subs and that's it? That's not how everybody wants to live.

Our spouses are not interfering. Either of them. At all. If we were both single and just starting out, we would've had the same problems come up (well, not 1 of them, since it's marriage related, but not spousal related). I mean, shit happens in life and it's frustrating as all get out, but chalking this up to a "booty call" where I'm not in control and only get to see her when she deigns it fit? That's the jump that's been made?

For the record, she is absolutely miserable about it. We both thought that everything was going to be great before all sorts of other oddball shit started falling apart. She's not happy go lucky and "serving two masters". She hates it. I'm not sure if she hates it as much as I do, but I don't think she wears her heart on her sleeve to the same degree.

This is not cheating in any regard or respect. Both spouses know how frustrated and pissed off we are about the current frustrations.

Considered why we got married in the first place? Because we love our spouses, that's why! That also has no bearing on how we feel for other people. But, I suppose that it's just socially acceptable to assume that we're just cheating and not really in open relationships and not honest with each other.

I guess I just needed to preface every single sentence by begging for forgiveness and justifying who I am. I mean, I know that there are a lot of people cheating on the internet, but good lord I'm not one of them and being immediately singled out and stereotyped in this manner is extremely disheartening.

The benefit of the doubt would've been nice. It's a rough situation and I'm trying my damnedest to get us through it in one piece, but all these snippy, baseless accusations are just unwarranted.

I'm just disheartened now.

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RE: How do I deal with this? - 1/3/2008 8:42:42 AM   
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Do you not have any vacation days?  Sick time?  If people want to be together they find a way to make it happen.

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RE: How do I deal with this? - 1/3/2008 8:43:32 AM   
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You would be wrong in the entirety.  Shocked and awed as you may be.

You could have said that all of the spouses were aware of each and every thing going on amongst the Bill and Carole, Ted and Alice crowd and my comments  would have been exactly the same:

quote:


Both of you can get divorces and then you can be with each other.

Or, you knew things could go awry getting into this, buck up and show 'em your ass.

Drinking heavily has always gotten me thru things like this.

Ron



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RE: How do I deal with this? - 1/3/2008 8:43:50 AM   
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Hmmm, first off....the answers offered to your...dilemma...were honest and straightforward in regards to the information that you gave us in your first post.

Second; this being a poly friendly forum has nothing to do with how we answered your questions. We answered your questions as specifically as we could with the information that you provided the first time around.

Third...I am sorry that you are both miserable...but hey; this IS REALITY...life happens...deal with it, accept it, and learn to compromise or GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE RELATIONSHIP...

it's really quite simple if you would get off your high horse and think about it for a second.

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RE: How do I deal with this? - 1/3/2008 8:45:21 AM   
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quote:

it's really quite simple if you would get off your high horse and think about it for a second.

Disheartened makes it difficult to dismount!



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RE: How do I deal with this? - 1/3/2008 8:47:53 AM   
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I believe the much over-used phrase "put on your big girl panties and deal!" works quite well for this.

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RE: How do I deal with this? - 1/3/2008 8:49:16 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: RoughFN

My god, people. I am shocked and appalled at the answers to this posting. I thought that this was a poly friendly site. Was I that much in error? How do you think multiple partners are supposed to work? One alpha dom controlling all of his subs and that's it? That's not how everybody wants to live.

Our spouses are not interfering. Either of them. At all. If we were both single and just starting out, we would've had the same problems come up (well, not 1 of them, since it's marriage related, but not spousal related). I mean, shit happens in life and it's frustrating as all get out, but chalking this up to a "booty call" where I'm not in control and only get to see her when she deigns it fit? That's the jump that's been made?

For the record, she is absolutely miserable about it. We both thought that everything was going to be great before all sorts of other oddball shit started falling apart. She's not happy go lucky and "serving two masters". She hates it. I'm not sure if she hates it as much as I do, but I don't think she wears her heart on her sleeve to the same degree.

This is not cheating in any regard or respect. Both spouses know how frustrated and pissed off we are about the current frustrations.

Considered why we got married in the first place? Because we love our spouses, that's why! That also has no bearing on how we feel for other people. But, I suppose that it's just socially acceptable to assume that we're just cheating and not really in open relationships and not honest with each other.

I guess I just needed to preface every single sentence by begging for forgiveness and justifying who I am. I mean, I know that there are a lot of people cheating on the internet, but good lord I'm not one of them and being immediately singled out and stereotyped in this manner is extremely disheartening.

The benefit of the doubt would've been nice. It's a rough situation and I'm trying my damnedest to get us through it in one piece, but all these snippy, baseless accusations are just unwarranted.

I'm just disheartened now.


Make it a bit clear as to the ethical nature of your relationships the next time you post as opposed to leaving a degree of ambiquity that leads people to think your cheating and sneaking off in the night for a secert love affair and you will get less abrasive responses.

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