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RE: Substitute sub question - 1/11/2008 5:46:32 AM   
parttimehotty


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I'm not sure I would even put myself in that situation. If someone that I "loved more than anyone" was preparing for egress I am reasonably certain I would have a lot more on my mind than getting off. I also wouldn't feel right not telling her, and if her wish was not to know I would probably realize that the only way I could be in control and not dishonor the dying would be to dominate MY OWN ACTIONS and not give in. I suspect that when it was all over I would hardly remember those months I couldn't have my kink on demand, but I would probably remember standing by my sub until the end, without compromising my own honor in the process. I would also have serious reservations about the person that was willing to submit to this. I would have to ask "why? What could they possibly get out of this." Just my opinion.
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wow, very well said!



Yes indeed, very well said!  What i expected to get out of it, long term, was to eventually serve them both IF he had talked to her & was honest about everything. i'm not too keen on poly relationships, however, in this case i was willing to try. i'm in the medical field, volunteered w/Hospice and have alot of experience/love for kids so i thought i could help in any of those areas just to lighten their load.  She had brought in subs before to "surprise" him with on his b'day, took pics, joined in and i was hoping he would eventually tell her everything. But what you said about being dominant enough to stop his actions and that he shouldn't worry about having his "kink on demand" hit close to home also. i had those thoughts myself, "if he really loved her, why's he sneaking around w/me?  He should be able to accept the easy sex she was able to offer". The more i type, the more i realize what a selfish bastard he is/was and while i'm sorry she found out in such a heartbreaking manner, i'm glad it's over and i can find someone who's single and can be with me.  After all, who's to say he wasn't cheating with w/another woman too behind my back?

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RE: Substitute sub question - 1/11/2008 11:10:25 AM   
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You can't call.. she doesn't want to know... terminal illness.. Do you actually know the story is true? For a thousand reasons, I don't get a good feeling from reading what you wrote about it all. I know from a psychiatrist that these situations are often invented by people to manipulate other people - severe accident, terminal illness, things that fall in the category that you cannot say "no" to. If my partner were terminally ill, I wouldn't go play or get my rocks off, whatever she said, I'd be there taking care of her. She is terminal, play comes after she dies. She doesn't want to know, so you can't call? Terminally ill people who love their partners don't worry about these things, they have more important stuff going on.

Like I said, this does not feel right to me.

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RE: Substitute sub question - 1/11/2008 12:37:51 PM   
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This is the second thread I've read today that falls into the catagory of what I'm calling 'they know, but they don't want to know'.  In other words, supposedly consent is happening, but the truth is that at least one person doesn't have a clue of what's going on.  Now, honestly, how realistic is it that someone who is ignorant of the situation able to give consent?

At best, what you seem to have is a situation of where the primary sub has looked at her situation with her Dominant, and realizes that he has needs.  (This is assuming any of what you were told was true.)  If she is really that open and understanding of a person, I don't think she's the type to 'hide' from the truth if she suggested and accepted the situation with her Dom and you.  If she's invited other females in with her Dom prior, I highly doubt she'd really see you any different light as she did any of the others.  Are you beginning to see all of the holes in this particular bit of swiss cheese?

Now, let's take a look at your end.  For starters, you didn't go into this with "all eyes open" as you say.  Unfortunately, you went into this being fed exactly what he chose to put on a spoon.  Now, you seem to have a dish of your own that you would like to serve up.  You have some strong alterior motives on your end.  Funny how you suddenly have an urge to "serve them both" after you let that bit out about how you've "fallen hard".  Your intentions are based on nothing more than the selfishness of wanting more time with him, and very little to do with your background that you probably could be helpful to someone who was ill.  No where have I seen any actual consideration or compassion from you in regard to this primary sub.  I have to wonder if you've thought about that much.

My suggestion is this:  First move, how about everybody start being honest?  Start with being honest with yourself about your intentions, your feelings, and your perseptions.  Once you have firm ground there, if you're still involved with this Dom, get him to be honest with you about those same things.  The primary sub doesn't even have to be included in that part.  I'd be willing to bet that if she *is* seriously ill, I'd be willing to venture that there are several medical bills and records of lab tests, etc.  If you haven't seen any proof that she, at one time, was willing to 'share' his Dom with others, ask for some pics.  He can blur the faces of the females to keep their identity hidden.  (Before anyone says a word, I absolutely would do this, after all of the other things that appeared to be bs.)  Does he have online correspondence that was ever kept to prove the primary sub consented before?

Once you get those things out of the way, maybe then you could ask if the primary sub might want to meet you, for a simple coffee, among the three of you.  If it really is on the up and up, she might be willing to at least say hello, without going into the details. 

Maybe if you do all of these, your eyes will really be as open as you would like to claim them to be.


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RE: Substitute sub question - 1/11/2008 1:30:29 PM   
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No, I would find another sub to satisfy me AND tell my ill sub.

I'd even let her watch.

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If your sub, whom you claim to love more than anyone before her is stricken w/a terminal illness, unable to participate in the edge play, the kinky sessions that you desire 90% of the time, would you find another sub to satisfy you in this manner w/o telling your ill sub?

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RE: Substitute sub question - 1/11/2008 8:04:10 PM   
indigo302


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ORIGINAL: parttimehotty

i'm not pushing for a mtg. i just extended the invite if she actually wanted to speak w/me.
i thought it might just be the civil thing to do considering the circumstances.  i even mentioned in my tm that i thought she was a strong woman/i had hoped that this would lead to a poly situation where i would serve them both.  She declined that suggestion, of course.


Am i the only one who thinks the "civil" thing to do would have been not to get involved with him in the first place? 

Sorry, i can't give you a gold medal for being civil to a woman you were cheating on.

And yes, you were both a part of the cheating.

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RE: Substitute sub question - 1/11/2008 11:38:09 PM   
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Sheesh, can anyone say Selfish Bastard? I don't care if he is a Dom or she is a sub or if they are married or just living together, the fact that he can only think with his dick at this point in her life is unbelievable. OP, how could you have even thought about getting involved with someone who is so obviously warped? I would never go and find another sub while my own sub is lying there dying. This so called man sickens me and the part that you played in it sickens me just as much. Why didn't y'all just go into the woman's bedroom and fuck right in front of her? You call it civil by inviting her to meet you? I call it down right distasteful. You can call yourselves dom and sub, but I have other names that aren't as grand for the both of you. Seems the only human being involved in any of this, was the one the two of you made sure would die with the sad thought of the two of you together. What a joke.
<Shakes head in amazement> Yes, I am a judgemental bitch right now, but at least I didn't make a dying womans life a living hell while she could do nothing about it. Who protected her? Who stood up for her in her hours of distress while you two were off having a good time?
 
Delete this if you must, but I said what I felt had to be said here. There is no accountability on either of their parts. One says "Oh well, I hope I will find someone single next time" and goes her merry way, while the other just finds another to lie to about it.
 
Give me a break.

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RE: Substitute sub question - 1/12/2008 4:20:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: antipode

You can't call.. she doesn't want to know... terminal illness.. Do you actually know the story is true? For a thousand reasons, I don't get a good feeling from reading what you wrote about it all. I know from a psychiatrist that these situations are often invented by people to manipulate other people - severe accident, terminal illness, things that fall in the category that you cannot say "no" to. If my partner were terminally ill, I wouldn't go play or get my rocks off, whatever she said, I'd be there taking care of her. She is terminal, play comes after she dies. She doesn't want to know, so you can't call? Terminally ill people who love their partners don't worry about these things, they have more important stuff going on.

Like I said, this does not feel right to me.


i wish i had $5 for every guy who told me about his terminally ill wife/sub/girlfriend/whatever as his reason for needing to keep a relationship 'discreet'

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RE: Substitute sub question - 1/12/2008 8:22:53 AM   
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Really? You get this alot? I've never heard of such a thing. (although that is what I believe this man is doing)
I wish someone did say that to me, I'd make him wish he never did...
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RE: Substitute sub question - 1/12/2008 9:02:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: eyesopened


i wish i had $5 for every guy who told me about his terminally ill wife/sub/girlfriend/whatever as his reason for needing to keep a relationship 'discreet'




Me too!  At first I was puzzeled, but unconcerned, thought maybe there were just more online than in r/l because it was an easy place to connect for a busy person who had to be home alot taking care of all these terminal spouses/subs. I'm more cynical now. 

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