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RE: Huckabee, Projected Winner? - 1/4/2008 12:58:20 PM   
mnottertail


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Perhaps it is your spelling confusion and you don't get much more news than rush limbaugh.  Uh, it was pretty big news for awhile, maybe see if any of your friends have heard of it.

Why lie and pretend that you have some sort of ability to cogitate on this plane?

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RE: Huckabee, Projected Winner? - 1/4/2008 1:42:10 PM   
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That may or may not be of any consequence...everybody votes for someone because of something........

Alot of people voted for GW because of his 'deep religious convicitions'  Rudy blew hisself up accepting the warm handclasp of Pat Robertson.........

This religious thing has been fomenting since Reagan.

How far are you willing to accept the Priest-Kings?  Melchezidek? Most any ancient kingdom before the rise of Papal power?

Not a new concept even here.... Pilgrims?

I don't care for it at all, but it is a fact of life.

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Funny, I thought people ran for public office to "serve" not to "lead."

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RE: Huckabee, Projected Winner? - 1/4/2008 2:00:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting that you define lying as catching you in Bullshit, Mnot....As usual, feel free to provide any evidence you like to back up your claim that Fraud was commited in the 2000 Florida Primary.  As to the Claim of Jeb "owning Florida" , I would consider controll of the courts to be part of owning a state. And since the Florida Courts ruled in Gore's favor, the claim to be simply empty rhetoric.  The writers should give you some new lines soon "big boy"....

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RE: Huckabee, Projected Winner? - 1/4/2008 2:16:19 PM   
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RE: Huckabee, Projected Winner? - 1/4/2008 2:33:14 PM   
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Iowa has no real significance other than momentum. They are the first of 49 states (Kansas does not participate in the primaries). The only thing this does it tell people who won't be the nominee. Right now this was a major loss for Mitt Romney who spent a fortune in Iowa and now if he loses New Hampshire the losses could snowball on him. Huckabee's win helps both McCain and Guiliani in a strategic way.


I think it is pretty amusing myself.

Huckabee thinks the world is 6000 years old and prevented abortions be paid for with public funds (in violation of Federal and State laws) while Governor of Arkansas.  In the words of Matt Taibbi, after 5 minutes of talking to Huckabee you go to sleep and wake up having been podded, Invasion of the Body Snatcher's style. 

Noun / Verb / 911 Giuliani and McCain have already been pushed under a bus defending something that 3 out of 4 people in the United States think was stupid and should be ended, the Occupation of Iraq.

Hillary has too many warts to ever get elected, unless she runs against those 3, but her vast flaws and the general distaste many in the country have for her strike me as making her impotent against Obama.  She doesnt have the charisma, she doesnt have the Congressional record, and playing the emotion laden and irrelevant gender card is irrelevant against somebody who can play the race card.

I am still curious who Obama is going to ask to be on his ticket.  I personally think we are going to see Obama / Edwards.

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RE: Huckabee, Projected Winner? - 1/4/2008 4:01:57 PM   
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Interesting that you define lying as catching you in Bullshit, Mnot....As usual, feel free to provide any evidence you like to back up your claim that Fraud was commited in the 2000 Florida Primary.  As to the Claim of Jeb "owning Florida" , I would consider controll of the courts to be part of owning a state. And since the Florida Courts ruled in Gore's favor, the claim to be simply empty rhetoric.  The writers should give you some new lines soon "big boy"....


Um, first of all 2000 and 2004 were not  primaries, but general elections.

These ultimately resulted in a December 12 7-2 United States Supreme Court decision that the Florida Supreme Court's scheme for recounting ballots was unconstitutional, as well as a 5-4 United States Supreme Court decision that ended the Florida recounts and allowed Florida to certify its vote. The vote was certified by Katherine Harris, the Republican Secretary of State who had been the Florida co-chair of Bush's own campaign[38]. Because Bush's younger brother, Jeb Bush, was the governor of Florida, there were allegations that Harris and Bush had somehow manipulated the election to favor the governor's brother.[39][40] Bush's margin of victory in Florida was officially placed at 537 votes (out of more than 5.8 million cast), making it the closest presidential election in the history of the state. The nine members of the Supreme Court voted along ideological lines in the split decision with the two usually conservative swing voters[41] (Justices O'Connor and Kennedy) siding with the three conservatives (Chief Justice Rehnquist and Justices Scalia, and Thomas) outvoting the Court's four liberals (Justices Ginsburg, Souter, Stevens, and Breyer). Due to all of these factors, the 2000 presidential campaign has become one of the most controversial, and disputed, elections in American history.


There is more, but that is enough.  Apparently you have been completely out of touch with reality since on or before 2000  (and I am pretty sure I am not pretending or lying when I say but that is not the first you have heard of it, nor am I the only one to tell you that).

So, once again, let the record show....

Ron

(hey lucky, pretty goddamn naked and crushing out there in the garish light of day, exposed in the fullest of sunshine, ain't it? But you are young, kid, you'll get over it nearly immediately)

LOL, you go dawg.


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RE: Huckabee, Projected Winner? - 1/4/2008 5:03:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Florida decided to enforce a law that had been on the books since the Civil War. The law was that convicted felons not be permitted to vote. So Kathleen Harris purged those voters from the voting rolls and it just happened that most of those felons thrown out were Democrats.
Florida law also states that all recounts are to end 7 days following the election with the only exception being is an act of god (ie: hurricane). At the end of 7 days the Secretary of State (Harris) must certify the results.

Now you can argue those laws were bad, and they've been updated since. But you can't change the rules during the game which is what Al Gore was trying to do. Gore claimed that there were problems with the tally and that the 7 day deadline should be discarded. The Florida Supreme Court (which is extremely liberal) agreed. In the end, the US Supreme Court said in a 7-2 decision that the Florida court was overstepping their constitutional authority and were legislating from the bench. That it was not their duty to tell the legislature how to run the election (according to article 2, section 1 of the constitution which states that the state legislature has power over how an election is conducted). The 5-4 decision was to end the recounts and for the total to go final.

There is also a federal election law that states that no state shall change election law following an election. So Gore had no case after 7 days.

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RE: Huckabee, Projected Winner? - 1/4/2008 5:13:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		no, he didnt........as the law stated the recount must be partnered by a senator, (overwhelmingly republican, no partners) Al Gore had to strike it as out of order.

Also the law concerned convicted felons.......turns out allotta florida law abiding niggers are convicted felons, since they share a limited pool of names, don't forget to talk about that while you are darting in and out.

Do you remember the protests?

Nah, you just think I am racist.

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RE: Huckabee, Projected Winner? - 1/4/2008 5:59:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sinergy, but Hillary said; "I am SO ready to LEAD!"
I guess her "Wellesley" education will go to waste!
(All those "hoop rolling races" for naught.) (That's what they do at "Wellesley", they roll barrel hoops with a stick. Among other things.)
The Boston Herald had a picture of Huckabee on the front page today looking his "Gomer Pile" best with the headline, "SHAZA-AM!"
("Gee Sgt Carter, I think they like me!")
He really does look like Gomer Pile, especially with those crooked teeth.

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RE: Huckabee, Projected Winner? - 1/4/2008 6:16:39 PM   
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Sinergy, but Hillary said; "I am SO ready to LEAD!"

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So what you are saying, popeye, is that you are voting for her?

Good man.  Thats the spirit!

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RE: Huckabee, Projected Winner? - 1/4/2008 6:19:47 PM   
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I guess her "Wellesley" education will go to waste!


I will give Hillary this, she has a brain... on the other hand, I know that GW's Yale education was a complete waste.


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RE: Huckabee, Projected Winner? - 1/4/2008 6:22:40 PM   
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Sinergy, but Hillary said; "I am SO ready to LEAD!"

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So what you are saying, popeye, is that you are voting for her?

Good man.  Thats the spirit!

Sinergy



Sinergy, not me, I'm voting for Ron Paul.
I must have asked a dozen "Wellesley" girls out in my younger days growing up in Boston.
No dice!
"Wellesley, bringing women together for 100 years."

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RE: Huckabee, Projected Winner? - 1/4/2008 6:34:09 PM   
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Right now this was a major loss for Mitt Romney who spent a fortune in Iowa and now if he loses New Hampshire the losses could snowball on him. Huckabee's win helps both McCain and Guiliani in a strategic way.



While troubling......I wholeheartedly agree here. My intuitive prowess tells me that the bones from the skelton’s in one of Huckabee's hidden closets will soon begin to rattle. No shit – mark my words here.

While things look good for Huckabee right now......don't look too closely. Huckabee is not/will not be the Republican's man.

Someone in a thread a few days ago mentioned the ''Howard Dean'' media scenario as a parallel to what might happen with Ron Paul.

The scenario is the correct one......but only with the wrong candidate. Huckabee - will be the guy that gets the axe.

On the other side......this oughta scare the hell out of Hiliary, her supporters and the Republicans. Edward's did far better than most of the prognosticators had originally predicted.  

Make no mistake....The guy the Republicans fear the most, is Edwards. As much as I think Edwards is a phony MF.....he is much slicker with his ''poor boy'' message than any of the Republican candidates are with the ''boogey man'' / '' fake war on terror'' slogans.  

With more outsourcing, forclosures and a sustained gloomy economic outlook on the horizon, Edward’s anti-corporatist,  ''poor boy'' message will resonate with the masses at a far better pace than the ''war on terror.''

In 2008.....American's will come to their senses and crawl-out from underneath their beds....and fear the boogey man no more.





- R


Ranger, I agree and Edwards made a great speech last night as well.
I think Huckabee is peaking.
The Republicans in N.H. are different than the Republicans in Iowa.
On CNN last night they said that there's hunger for change in the country and that that hunger will exclude Clinton.
I think the Clintons are yesterdays news and Hillary's speech last night was nothing but platitudes.
After listening to her you *still* don't know where she stands on the issues.
Will she enforce our Immigration laws, I seriously doubt it.
CNN said that that is "the number one issue in Iowa" last night.
If Edwards wants to prevail he needs to jump all over that issue as it's the number one or number two issue in N.H.
I'm sure that Republicans are let down that Hillary came in third too! She'd be very easy to run against.
Edwards would be very tough to run against because what he's saying about the Republicans and all the lobbyists and these so called "trade" deals and outsourcing in Washington is true.







The Bush administration has resorted to the ''band aid '' treatment in order to keep the economy afloat. But it's not gonna work.

By election time later this year, this thing will have reached a near crescendo.....and you can bet you bottom dollar that if Edwards gets in there with his populist message and Wudy is there with his blonde wig and makeup, spouting the 9/11 myth /war on terror trash - who's gonna win.
By the way....not to change the subject, but did anyone notice that market had its worst opening day {of the new year} since 1932. Anyone rember what happened back then.




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RE: Huckabee, Projected Winner? - 1/4/2008 6:43:57 PM   
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RE: Huckabee, Projected Winner? - 1/4/2008 7:09:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Now Mnot, guess what there were primaries before the Elections in 2000, just like this year.  Maybe you didn't ever notice them before.   You cited Florida 2000 as an excuse for the Democrats to comit fraud in this current Primary cycle.

Your nice little cite says that some people alledge there was fruad there.  Generally these are the same sort of simple minded folks who think a Govenor "OWNS" a state.  And who ignores that the State court supposedly "OWNED" went against Jeb.

You will notice that I specifically stated I was talking about the Primary election, in this discussion of Primaries and Caucuses.  I guess you didn't notice that part.

And Yes I did see the Micheal Moore movie, where not a single senator would agree with the nice lady that the election was invalid.  Not even Gore himself would agree to her charges.  He could have signed on as president of the Senate, he just choose not to. 

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RE: Huckabee, Projected Winner? - 1/4/2008 7:22:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Mnot, so you are saying the DNC is rigging the vote on a national scale? 

Jeb isn't Govenor of Florida anymore.  I guress you haven't gotten your new talking points with the writers strike.

So now you are alledging fraud in the 2000 Floriday Primary election(won by Bush)?  Thats a new one.

So, is this the point at which you come out as a raging fag, and you look for my support?  Ok, dawg...........you have convinced me with your overwhelming cites and underwhelming follow thru------goddammit, what do you want me to say, I had so hoped you were cogent, but such is life. you aint the first loser I have backed, but I will get better, you will still be confounded............

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RE: Huckabee, Projected Winner? - 1/4/2008 7:39:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		So when caught in bullshit and unable to respond to points, you say I am not cogent and call me a looser....OK 

What do you want a cite for?  That Jeb is not Govenor anymore?  That the Florida Courts ruled against Bush, showing Jeb didn't controll them?  That there was a Primary process in 2000?  That any of the 40+ democratic Senators could have challenged the election (as well as Gore Himself as president of the Senate), but choose not to?(and what roll did Jeb Bush play in the decision of the Senator from Minnessotta?).  That saying Jeb "owns" Florida is nonsense, and simply sloppy thinking for retards.  I will back up anything you like, but they really are all basic uncontested facts.

Which is why you can't respond to my points and instead call me a fag, not cogent, and a looser....

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RE: Huckabee, Projected Winner? - 1/4/2008 7:48:10 PM   
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He is strong support of the 10th amendment (quick look it up), he is anti-IRS, he is a fiscal conservative, he is strong on defense but not anti-negotiations, he is strong on education, he is very pro small business (80%+ of the jobs are small businesses), he has some down sides but over all he seems strong. I will need to do more research on the guy.

Someone mentioned skeletons, and that will likely by the murders he has commuted the sentences on, but I need to look into those as well.

Why is it so hard for some Hillary supporters to say she came in third?


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Huckabee is the candidate of the evangelicals (which makes up 66% of the GOP base in Iowa). But he has real problems with conservatives who do not place religion high on the list of things, He also is not well liked on conservative talk radio. I think the GOP is going to kill his campaign over the next few weeks.


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RE: Huckabee, Projected Winner? - 1/4/2008 7:56:09 PM   
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So when caught in bullshit and unable to respond to points, you say I am not cogent and call me a looser....OK 

What do you want a cite for?  That Jeb is not Govenor anymore?  That the Florida Courts ruled against Bush, showing Jeb didn't controll them?  That there was a Primary process in 2000?  That any of the 40+ democratic Senators could have challenged the election (as well as Gore Himself as president of the Senate), but choose not to?(and what roll did Jeb Bush play in the decision of the Senator from Minnessotta?).  That saying Jeb "owns" Florida is nonsense, and simply sloppy thinking for retards.  I will back up anything you like, but they really are all basic uncontested facts.

Which is why you can't respond to my points and instead call me a fag, not cogent, and a looser....


no,you can just show me where florida was a primary instead of a general election in either 2000 or 2004 and I will suck your dick for clearing out the terror of it.

lololol


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RE: Huckabee, Projected Winner? - 1/4/2008 8:05:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		With the way the Media has covered this Causus, it sounds like the state of Iowa has already determined our next president.

So much for the rest of us voting.

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