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RE: Punishment - 1/7/2008 1:03:47 PM   
NorthernGent


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'Not a problem; I'll go further and provide a fuller explanation:

What's the issue, here? Naivety. No amount of training in internet protocol will provide the solution; internet use is the manifestation of naivety, as opposed to the root of the problem. This woman needs sound judgement; otherwise, her naivety will manifest itself elsewhere. As he is out of the country from time to time, she will need to make decisions; he's not going to be there to watch over her 24 hours of the day, which means she is going to have to employ sound judgement.

Allied with sound judgement, is responsibility. Assuming he wants to encourage this concept, it's wise to acknowledge his own irresponsible behaviour in this affair. Now, this is being kind to her, because, as they've been together "a long while", she should be aware of his character and should have a grasp of his expectations when they're apart. Continuing with the theme of being kind, a message such as "I'm going to be irresponsible with your welfare, but, I'm going to come down hard on you when you're irresponsible", is neither fair nor setting an appropriate example; surely the message to be conveyed is "you can trust me to be fair with you, but operate outside of my laws, and I'll have no option but to enforce them".

The above paragraph puts some meat on the bones of my 'no punishment' stance, assuming she hasn't broken his laws.

This leaves training/guidance, with the objective being that she understands the consequences of this naivety. I liked the idea of a mock moving house, as it will drum home the point, but it's a touch over the top, perhaps, in this case. A more practical measure, and one with a similar result, would be to research and send her some real life examples of the consequences of having an identity stolen, e.g, bank cleared out, house robbed, together with an example of the extreme end of stalking. I'd ask her to do me a presentation (she can e-mail it) and give her some guidance on the structure as follows:

a) Intro - the background to this presentation.
b) Main body - 3 real life examples: event and consequence.
c) Conclusion - leave this open for her, and judge her understanding based on her conclusion.

The above paragraph falls into the 'can't happen again' category, as per my post.

It may be wise to do a presentation for her, too, in order to reinforce his position, structured as follows:

a) I recognise my irresponsibility; it won't happen again.
b) Guidance/culture on general behaviour when we're apart.
c) If it happens again, your punishment will be x.

In sum, she is going to have to use her judgement at some point, so the objective should be to encourage responsibility in all aspects of her life.

Ultimately, take this as the solution from someone with high expectations (a woman who needs to be shown the ins and outs of the internet wouldn't be a match for me), and one who employs a liberal attitude to life, where punishment is a last resort, and guidance is the best form of medicine - horses for courses. I appreciate its not everyone's cup of tea.

Edited for shocking use of quotation marks.

< Message edited by NorthernGent -- 1/7/2008 1:07:39 PM >


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RE: Punishment - 1/7/2008 3:16:03 PM   
adoracat


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ORIGINAL: breatheasone

To the OP all I can say is...Dude, over react much?.....


um...after reading what happened?  i wouldnt call it over-reacting.

he's out of country, his sub did something (most likely out of ignorance, not malice) that could have put her in danger.  yeah, there needs to be *something* done to drive home that she was not thinking clearly.  (as an aside...been there, done that!!!)

in her position, Daddy would make me write an essay standing up and then type it standing up also.  sounds like a nothing?  not when you have issues with being able to stand for any length of time.

there's punishment for the sake of punishment...and there's punishment for the sake of "goddamn it you scared the living hell out of me and i am not close enough to rescue you if you need it!!!"

kitten, just sayin'

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RE: Punishment - 1/7/2008 4:39:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: adoracat
in her position, Daddy would make me write an essay standing up and then type it standing up also.  sounds like a nothing?  not when you have issues with being able to stand for any length of time.

So an hour standing writing vs an hour of serious heart to heart talk and training on what the expectations are regarding behavior?

I find the latter far more fulfilling and effective- in the short and long term.

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RE: Punishment - 1/9/2008 5:32:00 PM   
signusnova


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I would punish her twice. 
Once you get back bare her butt and belt her hard and steady. Make her count out and say I am sorry Master or Lord, etc.
Meanwhile you are away have her get a chastity belt and have her mail you the key. She is not to touch herself till later.
Regards,
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RE: Punishment - 1/9/2008 9:58:48 PM   
ksub4u


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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

So she didn't do anything you had forbidden her to do, didn't do anything she felt was wrong at the time and even you realize that she didn't really do anything WRONG, she simply needs a lesson in responsible communication, and yet you let her fall on her sword to reach for punishment as a way to make your irrational anger be appeased so she can learn what? 



I don't know about others, but I am inclined to agree that punishment isn't very effective in a situation where the offending party didn't realize they were doing something wrong. I think a stern warning about putting herself in danger is in order, perhaps along with putting rules in place about her future communications but a punishment coming out of the blue for things that hadn't been discussed doesn't make a bit of sense to me. For us, it would be punishable offense since I have rules already in place that make me responsible for protecting myself and regarding the sharing our personal information.


I keep thinking that possibly the submissive is lonely for her Master ... she reached out and had a conversation with someone she shouldn't have, and yes, gave detailed info that was unsafe ... but she was thinking about him, talking about him and then sent the transcript to him - possibly to say "see, I was thinking of you!"

I really don't see how punishment is appropriate here.  Discussion, empathy, yes - punishment, no.

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