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Does Obama's win prove we are colorblind? - 1/6/2008 8:14:30 AM   
TheHeretic


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Status: offline 		       I came across an article on Yahoo News that asks the question.  (link here).  I'm curious what others on the board think.  Have we come far enough that his race isn't an issue?

      It would certainly be bad news for those of color who use rascism as a red herring on their own shitty behavior.

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RE: Does Obama's win prove we are colorblind? - 1/6/2008 8:27:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Colourblind, I hope so. So far, I am kind of impressed with what I have heard of his speeches.

I only pick up a small portion of what is being said via BBC news 24 late at night, but last night he saying words of

'letting the world know we care about you'

This to me is fresh and I would say good luck to him.

Words of care sound much better than words of domination and we all know domination or perhaps better, influence can be had by showing a soft side and being caring.

Colour or sex is irrelevant, what the world needs is true words followed by true actions.

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RE: Does Obama's win prove we are colorblind? - 1/6/2008 8:43:45 AM   
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RE: Does Obama's win prove we are colorblind? - 1/6/2008 8:48:28 AM   
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      I came across an article on Yahoo News that asks the question.  (link here).  I'm curious what others on the board think.  Have we come far enough that his race isn't an issue?

     It would certainly be bad news for those of color who use rascism as a red herring on their own shitty behavior.


Rich, things have gotten better, but of course, there are still those that wouldn't vote for someone of another color if you paid them.

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RE: Does Obama's win prove we are colorblind? - 1/6/2008 8:49:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am unsure, he has only won once so far.  That is a far cry from winning overall.

It would be a nice dream either way but we have to wait and see if it can play out.
If we have come that far as a human race.


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RE: Does Obama's win prove we are colorblind? - 1/6/2008 8:49:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		       The two winners in Iowa seem like a good paradigm of who we have been, and who we would like to be.  If it actually came down to those two in the general, I'd have a very easy choice (even though I wish Obama had more experience).

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RE: Does Obama's win prove we are colorblind? - 1/6/2008 8:53:59 AM   
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RE: Does Obama's win prove we are colorblind? - 1/6/2008 8:59:23 AM   
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... (even though I wish Obama had more experience).


Yeah, I agree with you there, Rich.  Ya know...I'm not much of a 'political aficionado', but as much as I rather like the man, Obama didn't seem all that cock-sure of himself last night; something I'd want to see in a president.
 
I rather liked Edwards and how he presented himself and his views and while I am, actually, a fan of the Clinton's...I thought she sounded a bit like a shrew last night.  I dunno...is it just me, or is the world (especially the Eastern part) more apt to respond better to a man as our president (regardless of color)?
 
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RE: Does Obama's win prove we are colorblind? - 1/6/2008 9:09:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		But is cocksure a good trait for a leader?

Here in Britain we have had a prime minister who was not particularly cocksure, he being John Major. A figure of ridicule to many, but he was to others the best we have had in recent years as all he did was run the country.

No theatricals, nothing like the last thing that inhabited No.10, just as portrayed by the malicious press, a grey man, but he did his job and ran the country without getting too far embroiled in scandal and theatricals designed to dupe.

I like a leader to be honest and with humility, a normal person, not a god

A true leader inspires, not rules.

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RE: Does Obama's win prove we are colorblind? - 1/6/2008 9:10:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		You know, I suspect that people are going to say that a person of different ethnicity than Caucasion can't win an election till it happens.  Look at Kennedy- before he was elected, people said that a Catholic would never become president.  I find Obama to be most similar to Kennedy's political message- I hope he's the 21st century's version of Kennedy, because we sure need one.  My fear is that he'd turn into Jimmy Carter- an honest man who failed at the necessities of political compromise.

From my perspective-people don't have any choices about the genes they've been handed- they have much more choice over religion.  While there are some deep seated prejudices against darker skinned folks that may be hard wired (humans are afraid of the dark) I hope that our intellect is powerful enough to overcome these irrational fears.  There's lots of genetic diversity in darker skinned folks, more so than in Caucasians.  Thus, making sweeping generalizations based on race is inaccurate- the amount of melanin in the skin is not a good indicator of anything.  Note that to a geneticist- race is largely useless.  (OK, Asians have a smaller genetic pool and are more likely to be interrelated than either Caucasians or Africans.)  So if not now- when?  But yeah, I was surprised at the results of the Iowa caucus.  Obama in my perception went from not being electable due to the race card, to being electable- I've sold my fellow citizens short.  I think race may be a red herring in this election.

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RE: Does Obama's win prove we are colorblind? - 1/6/2008 9:14:51 AM   
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... (even though I wish Obama had more experience).


Yeah, I agree with you there, Rich.  Ya know...I'm not much of a 'political aficionado', but as much as I rather like the man, Obama didn't seem all that cock-sure of himself last night; something I'd want to see in a president.
 
I rather liked Edwards and how he presented himself and his views and while I am, actually, a fan of the Clinton's...I thought she sounded a bit like a shrew last night.  I dunno...is it just me, or is the world (especially the Eastern part) more apt to respond better to a man as our president (regardless of color)?
 
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i like obama and time will tell how he holds up.  i definately will vote for him over hillary.

watching the news shows this am, and seeing snips from the debates, i got the feeling hillary is in a bit of shock, finally realizing that people really do not like her.  now i look forward to laughing as she turns into a kinder gentler hillary-lol.

if she did win(shudder), i have a mental pic of sally fields oscar acceptance speech, just with hillary doing the "you like me. you really really like me"" line.


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RE: Does Obama's win prove we are colorblind? - 1/6/2008 9:24:35 AM   
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Does that mean anything?

Nope...

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RE: Does Obama's win prove we are colorblind? - 1/6/2008 11:47:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		       There are like, six people in Wyoming, and Romney was in a completely different election. 


      

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RE: Does Obama's win prove we are colorblind? - 1/6/2008 11:53:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am a black woman and was not for Obama. Then I went to his website and compared it with others. Back and forth and I said to myself- 'could this be a man who is dreaming a dream or someone who is really going to make change?' I am now rethinking my thoughts about Obama.

If we could for once get off of race and gender. If he wins...he may be the best man for the job. He is actually saying some things that are very good for us and for the first time he has EVERYONES attention.

But in reality everyone looks at color...soso would it mean we are colorblind? Hell no.

MK

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RE: Does Obama's win prove we are colorblind? - 1/6/2008 11:56:33 AM   
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Have we come far enough that [Obama's] race isn't an issue?


God, I hope so. But it's hard to decide after just Iowa. It'll be interesting to see what happens in the next few races.

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RE: Does Obama's win prove we are colorblind? - 1/6/2008 12:08:34 PM   
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But in reality everyone looks at color...



         That is the point.  If color was automatically the first measure, would he have gotten 38% in a state that is maybe 2% (not sure, corrections accepted) black?

        The article says, and I tend to agree, that Obama is a candidate who happens to be black, rather than a black candidate.

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RE: Does Obama's win prove we are colorblind? - 1/6/2008 12:27:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		I believe we have come far enough that race and gender are not as much of an issue with most people.

Unfortunately, we have not come far enough that people will ask real questions.

Obama is a compelling guy, looks good on camera, is well spoken and all that.

But what does he stand for?  All that is ever heard out of him is platitudes and bumper sticker politics.  Anytime he's asked for specifics he stumbles and blurts out some of the dumbest shit ever heard from a Presidential candidate. 

He may be a more viable candidate in 2012, but right now we need more than feel good sound bites.

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RE: Does Obama's win prove we are colorblind? - 1/6/2008 12:33:34 PM   
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the fact that we are still having to ask this question proves we are not colorblind.

respectfully,
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RE: Does Obama's win prove we are colorblind? - 1/6/2008 12:45:00 PM   
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the fact that we are still having to ask this question proves we are not colorblind.



Exactly what I was thinking. =)

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RE: Does Obama's win prove we are colorblind? - 1/6/2008 12:45:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		ummmmm who is Obama and where does he/she stand on the issue of anal sex

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