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RE: Vulnerability - 1/10/2008 11:10:28 AM   
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now i am interested - what is the tobasco sauce for???


A nice mean man put some on my lucky charms.


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RE: Vulnerability - 1/10/2008 11:51:53 AM   
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I didnt know they were lucky charms. I was having a bad day and threw in the sauce for the hell of it.

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RE: Vulnerability - 1/10/2008 11:52:48 AM   
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What I wanted to ask you guys was, is there anything specific that makes you feel particularly vulnerable? Anything from general feelings of helpless during bondage, right down to tiny little things like the way your Dom/me says hello in the morning.  



Physically what makes me feel most vulnerable is face slapping, and it depends on the context of the face slapping. If I am in subspace or we are being sexual, it just sinks me further into subspace. If he is doing it just to assert his dominance, then I get rather emotional, vulnerable, at times clingy and I have been known to cry because of this feeling of vulnerability.

I have certain things that I must not do, things I enjoy doing.. eating my favorite treat for example... and I must ask permission before I do these things that I love to do. This makes me feel very small, and emotionally vulnerable. At times I feel rebellious when I think of doing these things, but I can't do them because I know I must ask permission. This has the impact of making me feel somewhat helpless, lacking of control over these things, and it puts me in the position to need him so that my deepest desires can be satisfied. It creates a sense of dependence.

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RE: Vulnerability - 1/10/2008 1:48:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AFlyInYourWeb

But as I matured, I realized it is intimacy which creates the greatest vulnerability.  

Intimacy and vulnerability feed off each other.


Yes I agree with this. The dynamic of bdsm (although I try to avoid thinking in the world of opposites) is rather in opposition to vanilla dynamics in as much as in those vanilla relationssjips I know of, and in those vanilla relationsjips i have had, extraordinary intimacy might exist withot any vulnerability or without any sexual charge.
Within ndsm intimacy is the thing which makes me feel most vulnerable. I can tolerate pain, humiliation, and rejection but the tone of His voice, looking into His eyes, sharing feelings, asking for what I need, appearing naked, sustaining friendship.....and at the moment exploring poly...these are the things which make me feel vulnerability. It's delicious because it's the necessary 'opposite', the other side of a hard edged reality. the other side of having more clearly defined rules and roles.
Vulnerability is beautiful.


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RE: Vulnerability - 1/10/2008 2:32:34 PM   
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I have no "specific" answer.  I am always vulnerable to him.

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RE: Vulnerability (Tabasco sauce) - 1/10/2008 7:42:37 PM   
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Greetings All,
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ORIGINAL: Dnomyar
Katy what brand of tobasco sauce.
The brand name for Tabasco sauce is "Tabasco". It does come (nowadays) in different flavors ('normal', habanero, chipotle, "green", and maybe more), but it is made by the McIlhenny Company on Avery Island (Louisiana 70513)

www.Tabasco.com.

I am very familiar with Tabasco sauce. I go through about two and a half twelve-ounce bottles per year.

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RE: Vulnerability - 1/10/2008 7:49:55 PM   
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Physically what makes me feel most vulnerable is face slapping
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i agree with this as i am the same...it's hard to explain, but i know i'm not alone in this....it is exquisitely intimate and humiliating and very personal...again, it is so hard to explain.

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RE: Vulnerability - 1/11/2008 7:46:20 AM   
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christine if I raise my hand can you hit it with your face. Nothing like teamwork.

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RE: Vulnerability - 1/11/2008 7:52:29 AM   
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Admitting I need help- that's probably near the top of my list.

Like now, it's easy to say "Yes, of course I need help with lots of things" but in the moment itself?

I'm still so used to HAVING to get it done myself, and being so picky about things, it's incredibly difficult to be vulnerable to the point of acknowledging I need help and that it's ok to ask the people around me for it.


LA,
You hit the nail right on the head there. I am just like that. Even before I lost my sight, I was not able to say to people "I need help". Now it is so degrading for me to ask for help just to take a shower or to ask for anything so simple as going out and checking the mail box. There is nothing like living in the dark to make you appreciate the light that once was. And as a dominant, I find it that much more stressing to be so vulnerable, even though it does make me more human.

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RE: Vulnerability - 1/11/2008 8:37:05 AM   
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Showing weakness, especially letting down the emotional armor and showing I'm not as tough as I try to be all the time.  Admitting that my feelings can be hurt, that I'm not 100% secure and sometimes need reasurance.  Very, very dangerous for me.  Worked so long on only being able to count on myself and be totally strong, secure, and self-sufficient, admitting that life gets to me and I'd like someone to lean on can be the most dangerous, vulnerable thing for me.  Because when the armor comes off and you start counting on that, and then for some reason they can't protect you when your armor is off, that is when you really get hurt the most.  

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RE: Vulnerability - 1/11/2008 8:41:50 AM   
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Showing weakness, especially letting down the emotional armor and showing I'm not as tough as I try to be all the time.  Admitting that my feelings can be hurt, that I'm not 100% secure and sometimes need reasurance.  Very, very dangerous for me.  Worked so long on only being able to count on myself and be totally strong, secure, and self-sufficient, admitting that life gets to me and I'd like someone to lean on can be the most dangerous, vulnerable thing for me.  Because when the armor comes off and you start counting on that, and then for some reason they can't protect you when your armor is off, that is when you really get hurt the most.  


You said that better than I could have ever said it. I seem to lose my words when trying to express the deep stuff:)

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RE: Vulnerability - 1/11/2008 8:49:13 AM   
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Showing weakness, especially letting down the emotional armor and showing I'm not as tough as I try to be all the time. Admitting that my feelings can be hurt, that I'm not 100% secure and sometimes need reasurance. Very, very dangerous for me. Worked so long on only being able to count on myself and be totally strong, secure, and self-sufficient, admitting that life gets to me and I'd like someone to lean on can be the most dangerous, vulnerable thing for me. Because when the armor comes off and you start counting on that, and then for some reason they can't protect you when your armor is off, that is when you really get hurt the most.


I was like this too, and then the most beautiful thing can happen, my armor came off and I found I didn't need protecting anymore. I was okay, even if it hurt. I also knew the armor wouldn't fit anymore, even if I attempted to put it back on. Now he knows me so well that if I start to get defensive because I am hurting, he calls me on it. No armor, and I just say "My feelings are hurt". At first that made me feel very vulnerable, but now it is empowering to present outside what is going on inside. You see, it doesn't change the fact that one's feelings are hurt or that one is not completely secure because they do not say it out loud for fear of being weak. It just becomes one little way that one is living inauthentically.

The most wonderful thing can happen in our intimate relationships if we just allow it, we set aside our facades and accept each other the way we really exist, if we are lucky that is, and we are willing to take a risk. Emotional honesty is not easy to come by because many of us are taught that it is not acceptable to show how we really feel, which in my opinion causes a disconnect between intimacy and the lack of it...just my opinion of course


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RE: Vulnerability - 1/11/2008 9:00:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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Showing weakness, especially letting down the emotional armor and showing I'm not as tough as I try to be all the time. Admitting that my feelings can be hurt, that I'm not 100% secure and sometimes need reasurance. Very, very dangerous for me. Worked so long on only being able to count on myself and be totally strong, secure, and self-sufficient, admitting that life gets to me and I'd like someone to lean on can be the most dangerous, vulnerable thing for me. Because when the armor comes off and you start counting on that, and then for some reason they can't protect you when your armor is off, that is when you really get hurt the most.



I was like this too, and then the most beautiful thing can happen, my armor came off and I found I didn't need protectinganymore. I was okay, even if it hurt. I also knew the armor wouldn't fit anymore, even if I attempted to put it back on. Now he knows me so well that if I start to get defensive because I am hurting, he calls me on it. No armor, and I just say "My feelings are hurt". At first that made me feel very vulnerable, but now it is empowering to present outside what is going on inside. You see, it doesn't change the fact that one's feelings are hurt or that one is not completely secure because they do not say it out loud for fear of being weak. It just becomes one little way that one is living inauthentically.

The most wonderful thing can happen in our intimate relationships if we just allow it, we set aside our facades and accept each other the way we really exist, if we are lucky that is, and we are willing to take a risk. Emotional honesty is not easy to come by because many of us are taught that it is not acceptable to show how we really feel, which in my opinion causes a disconnect between intimacy and the lack of it...just my opinion of course



That is really beautiful julia.  I think I'm finally there.  It has been a journey.  Giving in to vulnerability and getting burned, then over-compensating and putting up walls, then finally learning that you can bring the walls down and still trust yourself enough to know that even if (and when) you get hurt for whatever reason, that it might have been worth it, and that you are strong enough to survive it and continue to grow.  I think being hurt now, or the possibility of it, doesn't make me put up all the walls again, I'm ready to keep seeking and embracing intimacy, and I have certainly remembered its beauty again; a dangerous beauty to be approached cautiously, but still ever so beautiful. Intimacy and vulnerability are indeed what make possible the deepest connection that I crave.  Knowing that vulnerability is not a pit that I'm destined to be trapped in, but have the strength both to embrace the beauty of, and to break free of when I know it is not good for me, as unfortunate as that may be.  Thanks for reminding me of the next chapter.  I'm glad you've found the beautiful place where it works for you.  I thought I had too, but it turns out I'm still looking, but without quite so many walls now.

Sorry if that was a hijack, and for the unloading, I just wanted to follow that through.

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RE: Vulnerability - 1/11/2008 9:24:51 AM   
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Taking a piece of tissue. I love this post.  sinff  sniff.  bet you didnt know I was so sensitive.

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RE: Vulnerability - 1/11/2008 9:27:18 AM   
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RE: Vulnerability - 1/11/2008 9:59:49 AM   
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The best way to make me feel emotionally vulnerable is probably to take away my privacy. Read my diary, open up my e-mail, make me leave the bathroom door open, keep me naked when I'm at home, call me up at random when I'm away just to check on where I am and what I'm doing, maybe set up a camera or two to spy on me - and I'll feel like my life is an open book that you can browse through (and maybe edit?) at will. I've never experienced anything quite this extreme, but giving up privacy to a dominant makes me feel helpless, exceptionally subservient, and perhaps a bit desperate.

Physical vulnerability is a bit more straightforward. Just strip me, tie me up, blindfold me, and start poking and prodding bits of my anatomy that I'd rather protect, and you're there. Sticking something up my ass would probably do the trick, too.

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RE: Vulnerability - 1/11/2008 10:05:55 AM   
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Yeah, get that tissue, just don't snot on me, take it over to the snot play thread.  I do still have some pride and boundaries and will not tolerate snotting.

(that is me being tough again after my big public emotional breakdown)


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RE: Vulnerability - 1/11/2008 10:09:20 AM   
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Admitting I need help- that's probably near the top of my list.

Like now, it's easy to say "Yes, of course I need help with lots of things" but in the moment itself?

I'm still so used to HAVING to get it done myself, and being so picky about things, it's incredibly difficult to be vulnerable to the point of acknowledging I need help and that it's ok to ask the people around me for it.


Ditto, and admitting that i screwed up or did something wrong is another.....there is nothing that makes me feel more vulnerable than that.
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RE: Vulnerability - 1/11/2008 10:14:24 AM   
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face slapping, when Master takes me from behind and exposes me, eye contact, when i am tied up and cant move...just to name a few

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