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philosophy -> RE: Man cuts off, microwaves own hand (1/11/2008 4:58:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KRANWEST quote: ORIGINAL: philosophy ..and would you be so admiring if, instead of a self harming delusion, this man had considered his neighbour to have the 'mark of the beast' and had hacked him up instead? In such a case he would be living 'according to the dictates of his conscience' after all....... Impossible. If this fine, dedicated fellow's resolve led him to emulate the life lessons of Christ, he CERTAINLY wouldn't have murdered anybody. Call me a lazy reader, but I can't really recall a part of the NEW TESTAMENT that included the Prince of Peace hacking up any Pharisees "Jason Vorhees" style with a chainsaw. Maybe I skipped over a chapter or two. ...first of all, show me the part in the New Testament that speaks of chopping your own hand off, and how just your hand can be tainted with the mark of the beast. Secondly, prove that he wasn't deluded...in other words, that his hand actually was tainted with the mark of the beast.........and thirdly, what's so impossible about it? You seem to be labouring under the illusion that those who are devout believers are somehow immune to mental illness. Clearly you are mistaken. Just because someone claims a religious reason to do something doesn't justify it in the way you are suggesting. One could equally claim that Islamic Jihadists are following the dictates of their conscience and are equally deserving of admiration. Faith alone does not justify any or all actions.

Zensee -> RE: Man cuts off, microwaves own hand (1/11/2008 5:04:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity It could be that more people commit more crimes, more hideous crimes, because they don't fear any god in an afterlife. I don't see where you can claim this as a victory when it's just one case out of billions and billions. quote: ORIGINAL: Zensee quote: ORIGINAL: CuriousLord And what if he was right? What if there was really a God, what if there was really a mark of the beast, and what if he just saved his neighbor's soul? Now there, in a nutshell, is the history of the tyranny of the Abrahamic religions and the belief that the afterlifeis more important than this one (assuming there is an afterlife, of course). Two millennia of misery and mayhem. Wherever belief in the hereafter reigns, terror ensues. Z. Who's claiming any sort of victory? A mentally ill guy cut off his hand for fear of an invisible being. No winners there. I am sure some people are constrained from committing minor, non-violent crimes out of such fear but there is no way of knowing how many people are prevented from committing atrocities. It is certainly a major source of inspiration for similar destructive madness. In any case, this wasn't a crime prevention story, it's about mental illness. And my response was not to the story but to CL's comment, which I felt summarised the justification that has underlined much of human history and the institutionalised terrors such as the Inquisition and numerous holy wars - either that the opponents are ungodly and therefore less than human or that it mattered not what hideous crimes were committed against them if they were done to save them from damnation. No victories there either. Z.

MasDom -> RE: Man cuts off, microwaves own hand (1/11/2008 7:29:26 PM)
Surprised he didn't turn it into a toy... Cant wait till some one who likes fisting figures this one out.

topcat -> RE: Man cuts off, microwaves own hand (1/11/2008 8:32:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: philosophy ...first of all, show me the part in the New Testament that speaks of chopping your own hand off, and how just your hand can be tainted with the mark of the beast. Easy peasy! "He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name. This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666" (Rev. 13:16-18). "A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: 'If ANYONE worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name. This calls for patient endurance on the part of THE SAINTS who obey God's commandments and remain faithful to Jesus' " (Rev. 14:9-12). "And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell." (Matthew 5:30) *(Even the Devil can quote scripture* ( "The Merchant of Venice", Act I, scene iii, line 99 ) <heh.>**

Rumtiger -> RE: Man cuts off, microwaves own hand (1/11/2008 9:35:28 PM)
Someone mention A1 sauce?

topcat -> RE: Man cuts off, microwaves own hand (1/12/2008 5:47:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rumtiger Someone mention A1 sauce? *It's that important...*

FullCircle -> RE: Man cuts off, microwaves own hand (1/12/2008 8:36:49 AM)
You can't fit much in them small microwaves I've noticed..[8\|]

domiguy -> RE: Man cuts off, microwaves own hand (1/12/2008 11:26:30 AM)
Being the devout Christian that I am, I have teetered on the thought of hacking off a hand because of the sin that it has caused. Just when I'm about to do the deed I can never quite determine which hand has done the most offensive act. They seem always to be a bit duplicitous in their guilt. Chopping off one hand would make one rather asymmetrical which is not an overall trait that many subs find to be attractive. Removing both, no matter how much it might initially please the Lord, would probably have a rather significant impact on my future earnings and thereby reduce the amount of my tithe which would definitely piss off the King of Kings. These are the dilemmas that good Christians like myself must wrestle with....Along with the choice of which one to plunder first when dealing with the holiest of holes.

youngsubgeoff -> RE: Man cuts off, microwaves own hand (1/12/2008 11:32:50 AM)
woah... metal!

bipolarber -> RE: Man cuts off, microwaves own hand (1/12/2008 11:59:39 AM)
Actually, to the poster who mentioned fisting, I used to know a guy who came to the play parties my group used to have out west... he had lost his right hand in a hunting accident, but was quite in demand with several of the regulars... He always joked that his dick may not have been anything special, but his right arm was always erect, and rarin' to go...

Aneirin -> RE: Man cuts off, microwaves own hand (1/12/2008 12:01:25 PM)
Fair enough, it was his own hand, it's up to him what he does with it. Mind now he can't play thinking it is someone else tossing him off now he is less handy. Knew someone once who sawed his own hand off with a knife, but he was a clearance diver and was stuck underwater and running out of air. Nice guy, but no-one who knows how he became disabled will mess with him.

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