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Force Feminizing a Tomboy - 1/13/2008 1:19:15 PM   
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I seem to draw types who lean toward tomboyish appearances. You know the type; avoids traditionally feminine colors, won't wear makeup or skirts, and doesn't wear any appreciable amount of jewelery (sometimes to the point of not even having pierced ears). It's not for any job or health related reason, just that these things either don't appeal, or are actively disliked by them. Normally I wouldn't care, in this case however, I have good reason to believe that this would be beneficial for her (and entertaining for me ).

Does anyone have any suggestions or ideas on this that they have gleaned from experience (beyond take it slow)? In the only other thread I was able to find on this, there was a suggestion to enroll her in a finishing school, which is an interesting idea.
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RE: Force Feminizing a Tomboy - 1/13/2008 1:21:45 PM   
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You could always have her find a really feminine female friend to teach her about that stuff.

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RE: Force Feminizing a Tomboy - 1/13/2008 1:26:05 PM   
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Don't put the girl in five inch heels right away (I'm assuming she doesn't wear them or hasn't in a long time). Remember that the thicker the heel the easier it will be to walk in. Spend the money and get good quality heels that she is comfortable walking in - also remember that just because it's pricey doesn't mean it is well made.

You can also have her watch "What Not to Wear", it might help her find a look that both of you enjoy.

Don't ask her to start using lots make-up if no one has taught her how. If you take her to a make-up counter or a store that sells cosmetics, the employees will be happy to teach her how to apply anything you want her wear - just buy at least some of the products when they are done.


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RE: Force Feminizing a Tomboy - 1/13/2008 1:33:56 PM   
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If you lean towards them, why do you want to change them? Not meaning this bad, but are you afraid of others people opinion she doesn't look female enough?

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RE: Force Feminizing a Tomboy - 1/13/2008 1:35:30 PM   
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In addition to the other suggestions - I would add reading books like:
"How to Walk In High Heels", "The Bombshell Manual of Style", "In Style's Style 101", "The Goddess Guide there are others but those are the ones came to mind.   Let her get comfortable with small changes, and her confidence will grow.  

Being feminine is not really a question of the accessories - it is about being comfortable in your own skin. 

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RE: Force Feminizing a Tomboy - 1/13/2008 1:45:12 PM   
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If you lean towards them, why do you want to change them? Not meaning this bad, but are you afraid of others people opinion she doesn't look female enough?




If I'm reading this right, Honsoku isn't trying to CHANGE her, I think it's more a humiliation/training thing? kinda like forced crossdressing?

I could be wrong....

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RE: Force Feminizing a Tomboy - 1/13/2008 1:54:15 PM   
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M. Honsuko,
 
I have similar tastes in women, though I can't say I have ever forced forced it, I certainly enjoy encouraging it<g>. One lovely girl that came my way (and then went POOF!, sadly) claimed to be a graduate of 'drag queen finishing school', which certainly, in her case, seemed to work well.
 
Finding such a thing wouldn't be easy, but might well be worth the effort.
 
I am also prone to declaring occasional 'Pretty Princess Days' (especially if she works in a non-girly envoirment, which often seems to be the case), when she must do hair and nails, wear a dress, sit in the window seat and read poetry or some such. If she's unaccostomed to being girly, the day might include a trip to a slaon, or dress shopping, or the like.
 
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RE: Force Feminizing a Tomboy - 1/13/2008 2:18:09 PM   
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In addition to the other suggestions - I would add reading books like:
"How to Walk In High Heels", "The Bombshell Manual of Style", "In Style's Style 101", "The Goddess Guide there are others but those are the ones came to mind.


Thank you, this is the kind of information I'm looking for.

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Being feminine is not really a question of the accessories - it is about being comfortable in your own skin.


I agree in theory. In practice, people tend to derive some feeling from the things around (and on) them. Having the accessories can help enable those feelings, especially if they have been suppressed for a long time.

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If you lean towards them, why do you want to change them? Not meaning this bad, but are you afraid of others people opinion she doesn't look female enough?
No.
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Normally I wouldn't care, in this case however, I have good reason to believe that this would be beneficial for her (and entertaining for me ).
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It isn't a humiliation or training thing (though some may be involved). Without going into personal details, it has to do with an incident in her past which is currently affecting her behavior in a negative way.

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RE: Force Feminizing a Tomboy - 1/13/2008 2:23:10 PM   
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As a tomboyish type, may I give my opinion?  I don't necessarily or overtly "avoid" feminine apparel, I enjoy dressing up to go out - makeup, hair, heels, stockings, etc - but am more comfortable in my jeans and sneakies.  For me, it's all about simplicity and comfort.  I don't wear makeup normally because it's fussy.  Jewellry is at a minimum because it's just more accessories to try to have to match up.  Spontaneity is great, I'm able to shower and meet you in less than 10 minutes for an afternoon in the park.  Or I'm able to take an hour or three (will a full staff) to get all gussied up for a night out. 

Maybe there are a few solutions to your situation.  Accept the tomboys that you seem to attract and enjoy their naturalness and simplicity.  Then when you want to see them in something "more feminine"  (why some people don't think I can be feminine in my skinny jeans, I don't know), just suggest that they get gussied for the evening.  "I really like seeing you in stockings and heels.  You've got great legs, please show them off for me."  Really simple statement, big impact.  OR  You can ignore the tomboys and only pick out the clothes-horses, the ultra-feminine "every hair in place" "don't wreck my nails" type.  Then you can have the girly look all the time.....and all the maintenance that goes with it.  Be prepared to give up your bathroom or build a new one just for her. <wink>

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RE: Force Feminizing a Tomboy - 1/13/2008 2:25:52 PM   
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It isn't a humiliation or training thing (though some may be involved). Without going into personal details, it has to do with an incident in her past which is currently affecting her behavior in a negative way.
 

I am sorry to hear, but we had to ask.

Do you have Sisters that can help her some?

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RE: Force Feminizing a Tomboy - 1/13/2008 2:29:52 PM   
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How about starting with what she wears under her clothing? Take her to Frederick's or Victoria's Secret and buy her some really beautiful bras and panties. I know I always feel prettier when I am wearing pretty underpinnings!

Another thing you can do is be sure to really complement her when she is wearing a little bit of makeup or a skirt...positive reenforcement for positive behavior, ya know?

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RE: Force Feminizing a Tomboy - 1/13/2008 2:32:24 PM   
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It isn't a humiliation or training thing (though some may be involved). Without going into personal details, it has to do with an incident in her past which is currently affecting her behavior in a negative way.



My guess is that you are trying to 'feminize' her in an attempt to make her feel more comfortable with herself and with her body (i.e. to increase her self-esteem)?

If this is the case, than I applaud your efforts and would say that the best way to go about it would be positive reinforcement. Every time she does something and/or dresses in a feminine fashion, tell her how beautiful and sexy she appears to you. Kiss her, touch her, and, in general, demonstrate your desire towards her. Then, knowing how you feel about such attire and craving the (extra) attention she receives when dressing in such a manner, she should slowly start doing so on her own - without prompting.

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RE: Force Feminizing a Tomboy - 1/13/2008 2:37:10 PM   
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The underwear idea is a very good idea. If she feels uncomfy with fast change, then at least underwear is a good thing because it hides below cloths. And still make her feel female.
Small steps are needed, big steps might make her feel uncomfy.

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RE: Force Feminizing a Tomboy - 1/13/2008 2:57:51 PM   
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gotcha, Honosku....

I hope this works out for you both! 

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RE: Force Feminizing a Tomboy - 1/13/2008 2:58:42 PM   
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Yea, I have a tip. I don't know if I'll really silly. But when/if she starts to wear spiked heels, a good way to ivoid from falling on yoru ass is, make sure you like step on the ground with your heel first and then toe.. A lot of people think they have to step down with all of your foot, and it'll keep you from falling. But actually stepping with the heel first will make sure it wont slip from underneith you... =P

And with make up.. She could prolly use a little bit of eyelinder and eyeshadow.. And maybe some lip gloss and that could do a lot.

But yea.. The panties and bra thing sounds like a good idea.

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RE: Force Feminizing a Tomboy - 1/13/2008 3:00:46 PM   
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Yea, I have a tip. I don't know if I'll really silly. But when/if she starts to wear spiked heels, a good way to ivoid from falling on yoru ass is, make sure you like step on the ground with your heel first and then toe.. A lot of people think they have to step down with all of your foot, and it'll keep you from falling. But actually stepping with the heel first will make sure it wont slip from underneith you... =P
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Unless you're like me and  walk on the backs/outsides of my heels (physical reasons for it,not by choice)... in that case, spiky heels + relatively smooth surface = serious falls

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RE: Force Feminizing a Tomboy - 1/13/2008 4:14:17 PM   
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How about starting with what she wears under her clothing? Take her to Frederick's or Victoria's Secret and buy her some really beautiful bras and panties. I know I always feel prettier when I am wearing pretty underpinnings!

Another thing you can do is be sure to really complement her when she is wearing a little bit of makeup or a skirt...positive reenforcement for positive behavior, ya know?


Oh definitely the underpinings make a world of difference... I tend to avoid Fredericks and prefer Lise Charmel but that is a lovely start.   Complimenting and noticing the small changes would also make the transformation fun for both of you.    A 'spa' day of pampering would be a great start... help her find a "look" and then make a day of it.  

I would ask around before hitting cosmetics counters - you might be best served to find a MAC store or hit Aveda with an experienced make up artist who will take the time to listen to what you guys are after and what she will be comfortable with.  

Finally, I would caution against "Drag Queen Finishing School"... by their very natures Drag Queens are caricatures of femininity - she is already a woman, she just needs to find her place in the spectrum.  

 


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RE: Force Feminizing a Tomboy - 1/13/2008 5:27:12 PM   
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an incident in her past which is currently affecting her behavior in a negative way.
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Ouch.. that makes you her therapist - that's not good. And the perception of "negative", I assume, is yours, not hers.




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RE: Force Feminizing a Tomboy - 1/13/2008 6:27:56 PM   
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i was the same way before meeting my D. bad experiences involving hurt, forced stuff and a lot of mental damage.

a lot of positive encouragement works wonders -notice when she does little things - even if it just doing her hair a little different.. he started with pretty hair clips and such like. he was also very positive about my mental body image and worked hard to bring me to blossom. even now he always finds something to prais e- even if its the colour of my eyes. He did do things like organise manicures, helped with proper bras etc - started with functial (never knew a wired bra could be wonderful - i lived ins ports/heavy coverage bras) and then moved to decorative. small heels like kitten, and generally just pretty things - taseful not tacky.  after a while it takes over fromthe negative thoughts and you moved from unflattering to pretty.

good luck.


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RE: Force Feminizing a Tomboy - 1/13/2008 9:21:24 PM   
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I am (was?) that tomboy sub.

Eight months ago I owned two dresses (one had never been worn) and wore dress slacks to work exclusively. Hair was in a bun for convenience, and makeup was limited to foundation if that. I hate jewelry. Jeans and tennis shoes were my standard clothing choices when not at work.

Since mid November I've worn nylons of some form (hose or thigh highs) every day. Every single day that I leave the house. I've been in skirts or a dress daily, with the exception of the three day "omg Orlando is in the 30's" episode last month, or if I'm back in Louisiana helping the parents do physically grungy outdoor work. Even then, I wear pantyhose underneath, as per His instructions.

The transition was so incredibly gradual that there are times I still shake my head at the fact that I schedule shopping into my calendar without breaking out in hives.


He started out by simply saying that He would like to see me in "anything but pants". No orders, no insistence. The whole issue made me so uncomfortable in my own skin that if He had insisted it would have caused problems. The phone calls were what started it, really. He would call me, and proceed to get me hot and bothered, all the while saying "You know, if you were in a dress or a skirt right now you could be touching yourself". I could not, of course, if I were in pants.

It aggravated me no end, and I finally decided to start wearing a skirt once a week. Then it was twice. Now I'm out of skirts. Have to go shopping. Hate shopping. Still hadn't managed to have "skirt day" as I started calling it coincide with a phone call. I even apologize for disappointing Him when He calls to find me in pants, and He make it very, very clear that I did no such thing. And then repeats that message. "You're frustrating yourself wearing pants, not me. I would be very pleased if you wore something else, but you are not disappointing me".

That was a critical part of the whole process. Happy things occurred when I dressed correctly. Everything else was neutral. I meandered over to the "girly side" at my own pace. I really believe that is part of what made the transition stick.

While He didn't ever tell me I had to wear dresses or skirts, He did put some encouragements into place. If I wear something appropriate I have the liberty of masturbating how and when I choose that day. If not, then it's limited to after a certain time of day. Not a huge thing, but just enough to remind me that He would prefer I dress that way. Lol, oh, and during baseball season He tied a Red Sox loss + a day wearing pants to no masturbation at all. I quickly became a fan.


I start "trying on" the idea that maybe, just maybe, I might be able to dress "like a girl" and not look stupid doing it. I watched "What Not to Wear". I went shopping three times a week, just trying stuff on. I didn't buy anything, but I try stuff on. Having to actually buy something would have put too much pressure on the experience.

I begin to look around everywhere I go and look for the women dressed like He wishes I would. Now I'm frustrated with myself, because that wistful tone in His voice when He says "Pants again today? That's too bad..." is making me feel terrible.  

New clothing is gradually purchased. Now I need shoes. I have big feet, and I hate shoe shopping. It sucks. I go anyway. I am determined. Finally an entire work week goes by without pants. Then I start (gasp) wearing skirts on the weekend. I suffer the horrible embarrassment of grocery shopping in a dress - voluntarily, because I wanted to see if I could do it. I lived through it. The first time He called and happened to catch me wearing a dress was extraordinarily memorable. I was extremely pleased with myself.


Six months after we met, with me voluntarily wearing "anything but pants" 90% of the time, He institutes a rule about stockings. Rule now, not voluntary clothing choice. By this point though, I am comfortable enough with the idea of me dressing like a girl that such a rule doesn't feel like it would have in May. Back then I would have floundered and felt overwhelmed by it.



Makeup has been increased gradually; nothing outlandish, but mascara and lip gloss are a daily thing now. Sometimes I wear ear rings, although I'm still not a big fan of jewelry.  It was a lengthy and costly process (I replaced nearly my entire wardrobe), but for the first time ever I didn't dread going shopping. I look forward to it now, because I have a different thought process to take with me. It's not "I hate this, nothing looks good on me", it is "I hate shopping, but I love wearing things He likes". He did this using only rewards, never punishments. One of the best parts, other than knowing that He likes how I dress, is that for the first time ever I feel competent in the whole "fashion" department.

Self-image is such a large thing that I liken it to turning a freighter. It's not a speed boat, and won't handle like one. It took consistent reinforcement of every little thing I did that was even a baby step in the right direction. If for some reason my Dom and I were to part ways, I would continue to dress in a more feminine manner than I did before. Why? Because I like it now.

The most important part, I think, was that the entire time I felt led, not driven, to this goal.

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