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RE: Some religions believe - 1/17/2008 9:30:33 AM   
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I didn't say nor mean it wasn't relevant, just has no baring.
I happen to have a strong spiritual belief.  However I am also aware that the bible is fictional.  But just because I understand the fictional value of biblical or any other religious teaching, doesn't make my belief less. (Hence has no baring).
 
Hope that made what I said clearer.
 
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I agree with that and am not trying to argue it. For example, if we viewed the Bible as solely a book that was trying to teach people a small understanding of the immense concept that is God and not something literal or completely factual, then I see nothing that discredits it's use as a tool for developing your own spirituality.
 
In this sense, whether it's fact or fiction doesn't have a bearing on your beliefs. I understand your point, but my point was the fact or fiction aspect does have a bearing in a discussion, particularly when people use the "This is the way it was" style of writing.
 
I hope I clarified my position.

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RE: Some religions believe - 1/17/2008 9:31:50 AM   
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I don't know MR - if you believe that homosexuality is wrong yes that is a belief, but if it's based on teaching from a book, then that's no different to your second point?
 
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If I am going to teach those teachings to someone else, whether it is fact or fiction is relevant to them forming their own belief about homosexuality.
 
Edited to Add : If I am going to teach the True Old Guard/Ancient European House Way of BDSM to you, won't whether it's something that is developed over centuries by an accredited organization or whether it's something I thought up one night on the can and never actually practiced be an important peice of information?

 

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RE: Some religions believe - 1/17/2008 10:09:49 AM   
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i'm really not trying to be offensive or down play anyone's views here.....However.....i guess this is part of what gets me about the people we've become...Truth is, for me? If it's not my religion....If it doesn't match my spiritual beliefs, than why exactly should/ does it matter to me? Is it just for the sake of arguement? i'm really not trying to be funny here, i'm serious. Why would it be any of my business what someone else believes to begin with?


From an antropoligical point of view, it's interesting to see what other people think, it's interesting to find out what was behind those beliefs and it's interesting to see how their mind processes information to draw conclusions.

Personally, I love theology in an abstract clinical sort of way.

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RE: Some religions believe - 1/17/2008 10:35:13 AM   
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(there is an important sect that wrote down a lott but was hunted by Christians as beeing dangerous..forgot the name) 


The nostics (sp) weren't they?


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RE: Some religions believe - 1/17/2008 10:46:02 AM   
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(there is an important sect that wrote down a lott but was hunted by Christians as beeing dangerous..forgot the name) 


The nostics (sp) weren't they?



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RE: Some religions believe - 1/17/2008 10:59:16 AM   
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(there is an important sect that wrote down a lott but was hunted by Christians as beeing dangerous..forgot the name) 


The nostics (sp) weren't they?



Gnostics (which was the sect that wrote the books or Mary, Phillip, Peter--maybe?) which were found in Egypt.

The Catholic church also exterminated the Cathars in France who believed in equality and allowed women to be in leadership possitions.

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RE: Some religions believe - 1/17/2008 11:01:43 AM   
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Gnostics (which was the sect that wrote the books or Mary, Phillip, Peter--maybe?) which were found in Egypt.


yes, they are....see post above you (but you already know)



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RE: Some religions believe - 1/17/2008 11:21:26 AM   
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~So lilith was a mistake of god? OR did an other God made her?~

good question there
god made her then sent her away, let her loose on the world so to speak.
but didnt blame original sin on her.
one wonders if there were deals struck, or what his thinking was... 



Or was she not a mistake at all, and very much part of the plan...

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RE: Some religions believe - 1/17/2008 11:30:42 AM   
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~So lilith was a mistake of god? OR did an other God made her?~

good question there
god made her then sent her away, let her loose on the world so to speak.
but didnt blame original sin on her.
one wonders if there were deals struck, or what his thinking was... 



Or was she not a mistake at all, and very much part of the plan...


think so too, else everything would be so decent in the world ;)  and no CM


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RE: Some religions believe - 1/17/2008 11:37:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		The people of Jesus' time were surprised at him, because he spoke "as one having authority and not as the scribes." This meant that he was teaching, not from "the book" but as one having personal knowledge of the subject. He studied the law, but his understanding of it was as if he had direct contact with the Author. I listen to spiritual people who, instead of quoting chapter and verse from the Bible, tell me they have talked with God (prayer or another form of "conversation") and have come to a realization as a result.

By the way, Mary Magdalene was NOT the prostitute who washed Jesus' feet. That was a fiction put out by some pope who didn't like the thought that she was, as Biblical scholar have concluded, a wealthy woman who was one of Jesus' disciples and actually helped bankroll his ministry.

And Jesus didn't write a book because his ministry only lasted three years and he was an itinerant rabbi. He could read (and I presume write - he wrote on the ground at one time); he jut didn't have the time.

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RE: Some religions believe - 1/17/2008 11:54:21 AM   
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This meant that he was teaching, not from "the book"


the book was written afther Jesus, stories were oral then..if I am correct


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RE: Some religions believe - 1/17/2008 11:59:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		The OT would have been written before jesus' birth.  He read from the scriptures himself.
The NT were after.
Jesus wasn't a proponent of the bible itself, but taught that people should think for themselves and be responsible for their actions and not blindly follow scripture deciding this made them 'saved'.
 
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RE: Some religions believe - 1/17/2008 12:08:24 PM   
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This meant that he was teaching, not from "the book"


the book was written afther Jesus, stories were oral then..if I am correct



There are scholars that studied the syntax of the original texts of the NT and compared it the the venacular usage in other writings and some believe that one of the gospels (and I'm drawing a blank on which one) was written about 80 years after Jesus' death.

That's not conclusive proof of it's innaccuracy, just that it was oral tradition for a long time.

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RE: Some religions believe - 1/17/2008 12:09:56 PM   
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The OT would have been written before jesus' birth.  He read from the scriptures himself.
The NT were after.
Jesus wasn't a proponent of the bible itself, but taught that people should think for themselves and be responsible for their actions and not blindly follow scripture deciding this made them 'saved'.
 
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What he most objected to was those who followed the letter of the law rather then following the spirit of the law.  He felt that people should know why it was good for them to follow certian practices and the Pharasise(sp) were more interested in dictating protocol for it's own sake.

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RE: Some religions believe - 1/17/2008 12:10:59 PM   
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The OT would have been written before jesus' birth.  He read from the scriptures himself.
The NT were after.
Jesus wasn't a proponent of the bible itself, but taught that people should think for themselves and be responsible for their actions and not blindly follow scripture deciding this made them 'saved'.
 
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But it wasn't called bible then, not? The bible was made afther his dead...by collecting all the "stories".


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RE: Some religions believe - 1/17/2008 12:11:59 PM   
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RE: Some religions believe - 1/17/2008 12:15:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you are being specific and saying the entire 'bible' then some was written before, some was written after.
Not all the books were used.   Does that make sense?
Jesus read from the scriptures, which were written - some of which are in the bible as we know it today.
 
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RE: Some religions believe - 1/17/2008 12:17:18 PM   
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RE: Some religions believe - 1/17/2008 12:18:45 PM   
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RE: Some religions believe - 1/17/2008 12:22:13 PM   
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Not many could read then. Are they sure Jesus actually could read? He was from a lower cast


IIRC it was important for Jews to read and they have to read a section of the Torah in their manhood cerimony (I know the name of it...)

Also Jesus was refered to as Rabbi which means teacher.  It is not unfathomable that he as well as his apostles could read.

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