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ORIGINAL: Justme696

I am not religious in the sense of "church" or 1 god. Therefor , no offense please, I don't care that this is wrong in gods eyes. For me it doesn't matter if just a normal person says to me BDSM is wrong or that God says it.  

Besides that, there is no where mentioned in the bible that one can't have pleasure with sex, not? 
(closest i can think of is Sodom and Gomorra as places of lust) 

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ORIGINAL: Coerced2Please

religions will believe anything we can imagine because they're imagining it

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ORIGINAL: takenbyjohnr07

Adam and Eve were married? i didn't know that marriage was invented that early. Learn something every day.

One question though (because i am not religious either) If Eve was not his first wife how did he get divorced? Was divorce already invented too?

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

  I am just shaking my head at some of the questions being asked on this thread. I liken it to my 8 year old niece asking me why the sky is blue.

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

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ORIGINAL: Coerced2Please

religions will believe anything we can imagine because they're imagining it

Huh?  How can religion believe or imagine anything?
 
the.dark.

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ORIGINAL: Justme696

I am not religious in the sense of "church" or 1 god. Therefor , no offense please, I don't care that this is wrong in gods eyes. For me it doesn't matter if just a normal person says to me BDSM is wrong or that God says it.  

Besides that, there is no where mentioned in the bible that one can't have pleasure with sex, not? 
(closest i can think of is Sodom and Gomorra as places of lust) 

Many biblical scholars believe that Sodom and Gommora's sin was the irreverence in which they greeted the visitors, not the sexual sins themselves.  Culture was far different back then and to be discourteous to travelers and those visiting your city was a major faux pas.

ETA:  The old testament allows for a woman to divorce her husband if he is neglectful in sexually pleasing her.  Somewhere it's even outlined how many times he is to have sex with her per week.

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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Religions are simply cults with effective marketing and history.

If one religion's principles and practices are in opposition to your needs and philosophy - there is always another standing by waiting for you and your money.

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ORIGINAL: Justme696

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ORIGINAL: OmegaG

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ORIGINAL: Justme696

I am not religious in the sense of "church" or 1 god. Therefor , no offense please, I don't care that this is wrong in gods eyes. For me it doesn't matter if just a normal person says to me BDSM is wrong or that God says it.  

Besides that, there is no where mentioned in the bible that one can't have pleasure with sex, not? 
(closest i can think of is Sodom and Gomorra as places of lust) 

Many biblical scholars believe that Sodom and Gommora's sin was the irreverence in which they greeted the visitors, not the sexual sins themselves.  Culture was far different back then and to be discourteous to travelers and those visiting your city was a major faux pas.

ETA:  The old testament allows for a woman to divorce her husband if he is neglectful in sexually pleasing her.  Somewhere it's even outlined how many times he is to have sex with her per week.

I know, but for the normal man, Sodom and Gomorra are Sin.
Scholars always think differently then we, else they are out of work  ;)  It is all guessing

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and little more than a ploy to keep the easily-led and gullible financially and emotionally enslaved to the various figureheads that dominate their lives.

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ORIGINAL: OmegaG

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ORIGINAL: Justme696

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ORIGINAL: OmegaG

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ORIGINAL: Justme696

I am not religious in the sense of "church" or 1 god. Therefor , no offense please, I don't care that this is wrong in gods eyes. For me it doesn't matter if just a normal person says to me BDSM is wrong or that God says it.  

Besides that, there is no where mentioned in the bible that one can't have pleasure with sex, not? 
(closest i can think of is Sodom and Gomorra as places of lust) 

Many biblical scholars believe that Sodom and Gommora's sin was the irreverence in which they greeted the visitors, not the sexual sins themselves.  Culture was far different back then and to be discourteous to travelers and those visiting your city was a major faux pas.

ETA:  The old testament allows for a woman to divorce her husband if he is neglectful in sexually pleasing her.  Somewhere it's even outlined how many times he is to have sex with her per week.

I know, but for the normal man, Sodom and Gomorra are Sin.
Scholars always think differently then we, else they are out of work  ;)  It is all guessing

Not really, scholars studied the culture of the time and were able to see the stories in the context for which they were written.  The regular Joe only knows the cutlure he is in and therefore bases the stories on present day norms and applies new morals to them.

After all-- Lot offered his virgin daughters as a replacement for the male visitors yet those who wish to make it a moral about homosexuality forget that offering the daughters is as much of a sin.

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

This is Darcy.

Ahhh, religion, the one topic that I'm guaranteed to piss somebody or other off with due to the devil's advocate line of questioning that drives the.dark up the wall at times.  (and yet she still loves me )

Personally I think that religion, meaning organised religion, is dangerous, and little more than a ploy to keep the easily-led and gullible financially and emotionally enslaved to the various figureheads that dominate their lives.

Take Catholicism, for example - if everybody is equal in God's eyes, then why does the Vatican remain the richest nation on the planet while it stands idly by and lets its own disciples die of starvation? Why does it need all that money, own all those properties, and openly flaunt all of its wealth while across the globe its followers often struggle to give a percentage of their meagre incomes to the church for fear of being looked down upon if they don't?

I openly admit there is much about the Bible and religion in general that I just don't understand (unlike the.dark who is the most knowledgable person I have ever met in relgions and faiths, and often patiently explains to me when my line of questioning becomes muddled and illogical), but I find that by asking what may appear to be incendiary questions at times, that I can learn and try to understand what drives a person's faith.

Now faith itself, that I can believe in (so to speak) - while I am vehemently anti-religion, I do respect faith and a person's individual beliefs, but I also believe that those beliefs should be personal to the individual. By all means come together with like-minded souls to worship, but do you really need to be terrorised by an organisation that keeps you in line (and itself in pocket) by threatening you with eternal damnation if you so much as think of stepping out of line?

I know that I don't - I know the difference between right and wrong, I know the difference between good and evil, and if it turns out that there is a God, or some kind of eternal resthome, then I'd like to think that on the whole I've been a good person and will get a nice room with a view. Conversely, if I'm turned away, then I'll just sign up with the army of the damned and party like it's Armageddon.

Now for those 'difficult' questions.......

If Mary and Joesph were 'married', whether in the conventional sense, or by way of the fact that they merely slept together, and then Mary suddenly becomes pregnant with God's child, without her consent, then does that not make God a rapist? Or what about an adulterer, thus breaking one of his own commandments? Then again, by smiting various folk then I guess he already broke his 'Thou Shalt Not Kill' commandment, so maybe it's one rule for God, another for the rest of us?

Regarding the OP's question about whether BDSM (and the wider issue of pleasure generally) is a sin, then as I understand it God has given us all free will, and therefore (and I'm being slightly cynical here....) surely providing I say my required number of Hail Mary's and finger my rosary in the correct manner (or whatever confessional guilt cleansing works for your particular religion) then I'm forgiven my sins and my place in Heaven is assured? No? (And just how many confessionals are you allowed? Is there a set number after which time you're damned beyond redemption? Or will God forgive you no matter what?)

The consensus seems to be that Eve was created from Adam, and then they went on to have children. Doesn't this make this relationship somewhat incestuous? It might go a long way to explaining why the human race is so messed up.

OK, enough questions, I've probably dug myself a nice deep hole as it is

Finally, if the above comes across as disrespectful of your particular religion, then I mean no personal offense, and believe that if your personal faith is strong enough then someone like me asking a few dumb questions will merely give you the opportunity to point out the error of my ways.

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ORIGINAL: trappedinamuseum

My take on religion and BDSM can be summed up in a quote from Balian from the movie Kingdom of Heaven (awful movie, but good quote):

"God will understand, my lord. And if he doesn't, then he is not God and we need not worry."

Just a thought.