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US abortions at lowest level since 1974 - 1/17/2008 4:51:38 PM

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NEW YORK - The number of abortions in the United States dropped to 1.2 million in 2005, the lowest level since 1974 and down 25 percent from the all-time high of 1.6 million in 1990, according to report issued Thursday.

The Guttmacher Institute, which surveyed abortion providers nationwide, said there likely were several reasons for the decline, including more effective use of contraceptives, lower levels of unintended pregnancy and greater difficulty obtaining abortions in some parts of the country.

The institute’s president, Sharon Camp, noted that despite the decline, more than one in five pregnancies ended in abortion in 2005.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22709609

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RE: US abortions at lowest level since 1974 - 1/17/2008 5:27:03 PM

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So loss of the right to abortion is slowly occurring (in late term):

http://www.cnn.com/2007/LAW/04/18/scotus.abortion/index.html

Do not be unaware that the law has nothing to do with the stats...I am sure there are a few women travelling to get abortions outside the country. There have to be a number of women doing just that to avoid being counted in the stats.

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RE: US abortions at lowest level since 1974 - 1/17/2008 6:07:18 PM

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Well, of course there are women who go outside of the country, because they don't want to comply with the laws of this country.

As unsuprisingly there are in even the most liberalized (in terms of abortions) nations in Europe. Some people just don't want to play by the rules, so they go somewhere else.

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RE: US abortions at lowest level since 1974 - 1/17/2008 8:03:03 PM

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So loss of the right to abortion is slowly occurring (in late term):

http://www.cnn.com/2007/LAW/04/18/scotus.abortion/index.html

Do not be unaware that the law has nothing to do with the stats...I am sure there are a few women travelling to get abortions outside the country. There have to be a number of women doing just that to avoid being counted in the stats.

It could not possibly that women have decided that instead of killing their babies, they whish to have, love and care for them??????????

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RE: US abortions at lowest level since 1974 - 1/17/2008 8:37:00 PM

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So loss of the right to abortion is slowly occurring (in late term)

Thank Karana.

However, this should be good news for everyone. Less abortions may be a result of more contraception usage; less call for them, which who could complain of?

Abortions are disgusting, inhuman acts to some of us. But I rather doubt anyone likes them, even if they don't see them as vile as I do. The less, the better; I rather doubt any sane person could disagree with this.

So, let's put aside the debate for this one thread and just be happy for a mutual victory.

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RE: US abortions at lowest level since 1974 - 1/17/2008 8:46:54 PM

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So loss of the right to abortion is slowly occurring (in late term)

Thank Karana.

However, this should be good news for everyone. Less abortions may be a result of more contraception usage; less call for them, which who could complain of?

Abortions are disgusting, inhuman acts to some of us. But I rather doubt anyone likes them, even if they don't see them as vile as I do. The less, the better; I rather doubt any sane person could disagree with this.

So, let's put aside the debate for this one thread and just be happy for a mutual victory.

Agreed.

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RE: US abortions at lowest level since 1974 - 1/17/2008 9:06:38 PM

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ORIGINAL: CuriousLord

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ORIGINAL: MsSpankhardSk

So loss of the right to abortion is slowly occurring (in late term)

Thank Karana.

However, this should be good news for everyone. Less abortions may be a result of more contraception usage; less call for them, which who could complain of?

Abortions are disgusting, inhuman acts to some of us. But I rather doubt anyone likes them, even if they don't see them as vile as I do. The less, the better; I rather doubt any sane person could disagree with this.

So, let's put aside the debate for this one thread and just be happy for a mutual victory.

Well said.

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RE: US abortions at lowest level since 1974 - 1/17/2008 9:55:31 PM

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greetings all,

i have to agree with curiouslord.

i also agree that contraceptive usage has to be playing a major role. the fact that more and more women are gaining access to oral contraceptives as well as education about them is so important. still, they can be prohibitively expensive for some women; in order for the abortion rate to decline even further, the issue of the cost of contraception in the us really needs to be dealt with. personally, i believe with something this important it should be free.

one thing that does bother me and is definitely playing into the decline is the difficulty of obtaining an abortion. many people i know capitalize on the idea that a woman can basically get an abortion at any time in her pregnancy, and technically in most states it's fairly unrestricted up until the 24th week by law, but for example, the only abortion provider within an accessible distance for me has a limit of 12 weeks. so, assuming you actually know you are pregnant within the first four weeks, then you have to get to a provider, make appointments, go through the required counseling, find the money, and be able to make the decision psychologically and emotionally all before the deadline. many women have to drive for hours in order to get to an abortion provider, and usually have to make the drive two or three times, which can be really difficult to juggle work, school, and kids, and this health issue, especially if you're poor. so i do think this is another major contributor, and in this case, one i personally am upset by. even if one can get to an abortion provider and meet all the necessary requirements, the cost of the procedure itself is still often prohibitive.

and as fatdomdaddy mentioned - i too hope it is because women are now in a place where they are able to have children they can provide for, love, and nurture.

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annabelle.

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RE: US abortions at lowest level since 1974 - 1/18/2008 12:51:36 AM

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ORIGINAL: MsSpankhardSk

So loss of the right to abortion is slowly occurring (in late term):

http://www.cnn.com/2007/LAW/04/18/scotus.abortion/index.html

Do not be unaware that the law has nothing to do with the stats...I am sure there are a few women travelling to get abortions outside the country. There have to be a number of women doing just that to avoid being counted in the stats.

Yeah, you are right. Because it's impossible that women may have been choosing life.
You see, this is the fatal flaw in the feminist movement of today. This issue is pretty much all the feminists care about. And thats why only 20-some percent of college-age women consider themselves a "feminist." Some feminists actually applaud when abortion rates are up. As if they think that somehow abortion is the only way women can prove equality.

The amount of late-term abortions in the past is so small that the new laws cannot possibly account for the decline. The vast majority of women who have abortions, make the decision within the first 6 weeks. Dont forget also these statistics make sense that there is a decline in abortion because other recent stats show that the US birthrate is increasing.

I agree with the ban on late-term abortion. Once you get into the 3rd trimester, you are really walking a very fine line with this debate on whether a fetus is alive. Because a fetus can live outside it's mother at 6 1/2 months and have a pretty good chance of living under a doctor's care. There is brain activity and the fetus can hear at 6 months.
To say a baby isn't alive until it is born at 9 months is very, very ignorant of science. I'm sorry if that offends you but I've taken numerous biology courses and human development in college and there is no way you are going to convince me that a fetus at 6 months isn't alive. If you stick a light into the womb at 7 months, the fetus will follow it with his own eyes. It has been proven over and over again that a fetus can hear at 6 months and even identify their mother's voice. How the hell do you classify that as not being alive?

Yet feminists want me to believe that a fetus is not alive until birth? Give me a break!

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RE: US abortions at lowest level since 1974 - 1/18/2008 5:58:16 AM

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Hopefully, it means that prevention of pregnancy is working (that is, that women have better access to contraception).

I also think that whilst the number of surgical abortions has dropped, the number of medical abortions with the RU 486 has risen.

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Jones attributed the slower decline to the introduction of RU-486, also known as mifepristone. The drug, which was approved in 2000, allows women to terminate their pregnancies without the need for a surgical procedure.

"We found that there were providers who previously didn't offer surgical abortions and are now only providing early medical abortions," Jones said. "If it wasn't for those providers, the number of providers would have declined by far more."

By 2005, 57 percent of abortion providers were offering the drug, accounting for 13 percent of abortions, the report found.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/16/AR2008011603624.html?hpid=topnews

I just hope it doesn't mean that the drop in abortion providers has resulted in women having no choice but to carry unwanted pregnancies.

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RE: US abortions at lowest level since 1974 - 1/18/2008 6:06:45 AM

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More effective contraceptives, safe haven laws, more informed choices through better counseling in unexpected pregnancies. I doubt it's a matter of women not having a choice in carrying an unwanted pregnancy to term. Women still have the option of abortion, but there are other options out there too.

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RE: US abortions at lowest level since 1974 - 1/18/2008 6:10:32 AM

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All these things are facts; I was wondering to what extent the drop in abortion providers (which is also a fact) had effected the overall number of pregnancies that were carried full-term.

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RE: US abortions at lowest level since 1974 - 1/18/2008 6:23:33 AM

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I'm not trying to be argumentative here...I do see what you're saying, but I also have to ask the question is the drop in abortion rates due to the drop in providers or is the drop in providers due to the drop in abortion rates?

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RE: US abortions at lowest level since 1974 - 1/18/2008 6:26:05 AM

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It could not possibly that women have decided that instead of killing their babies, they whish to have, love and care for them??????????

I'd suspect it's probably effective use of preventing babies and the success of people who want to force children into this world, regardless of their ability to survive (a decent number of partial-birth abortions are for babies who not survive and would only suffer), if they are wanted in an already overcrowded world, or parent's ability to take care of them.

While I would probably never have one unless raped, I really don't see any point in getting upset at someone for not having a child when there are already thousands of children who don't have parents and aren't being adopted.

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RE: US abortions at lowest level since 1974 - 1/18/2008 6:40:52 AM

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Once the child in conceived, than what matter that there are others who aren't adopted? If you'd like to adopt, then have the one you conceived, and you can adopt others as well.
In the state I live, there is no such thing as 'wrongful birth'. (having a child who should not have been born due to some 'defect' in the child'.
The supreme court justices here believe that any life is better than no life.
I'm not always so sure about that, but, I AM glad that abortion is down.
I wish it were illegal or a lot more difficult to obtain, but at least headway is being made.

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RE: US abortions at lowest level since 1974 - 1/18/2008 6:57:36 AM

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I wish it were illegal or a lot more difficult to obtain, but at least headway is being made.

I have a suggestion: if you don't like it, vow never to have one. Make it illegal for yourself, if you want.

But please, don't attempt to deprive the rest of us who may need one, one day (or who've already terminated a pregnancy - as I have), of that right.

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RE: US abortions at lowest level since 1974 - 1/18/2008 7:01:09 AM

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ORIGINAL: MsSpankhardSk

So loss of the right to abortion is slowly occurring (in late term):

http://www.cnn.com/2007/LAW/04/18/scotus.abortion/index.html

Do not be unaware that the law has nothing to do with the stats...I am sure there are a few women travelling to get abortions outside the country. There have to be a number of women doing just that to avoid being counted in the stats.

Yeah, you are right. Because it's impossible that women may have been choosing life.
You see, this is the fatal flaw in the feminist movement of today. This issue is pretty much all the feminists care about. And thats why only 20-some percent of college-age women consider themselves a "feminist." Some feminists actually applaud when abortion rates are up. As if they think that somehow abortion is the only way women can prove equality.

The amount of late-term abortions in the past is so small that the new laws cannot possibly account for the decline. The vast majority of women who have abortions, make the decision within the first 6 weeks. Dont forget also these statistics make sense that there is a decline in abortion because other recent stats show that the US birthrate is increasing.

I agree with the ban on late-term abortion. Once you get into the 3rd trimester, you are really walking a very fine line with this debate on whether a fetus is alive. Because a fetus can live outside it's mother at 6 1/2 months and have a pretty good chance of living under a doctor's care. There is brain activity and the fetus can hear at 6 months.
To say a baby isn't alive until it is born at 9 months is very, very ignorant of science. I'm sorry if that offends you but I've taken numerous biology courses and human development in college and there is no way you are going to convince me that a fetus at 6 months isn't alive. If you stick a light into the womb at 7 months, the fetus will follow it with his own eyes. It has been proven over and over again that a fetus can hear at 6 months and even identify their mother's voice. How the hell do you classify that as not being alive?

Yet feminists want me to believe that a fetus is not alive until birth? Give me a break!

Yeah, you are right. Because it's impossible that women may have been choosing life.
You see, this is the fatal flaw in the feminist movement of today.

Well thank God,we have someone as enlightened as you,to straighten out those "feminists" out..LOL

A general question:

How many of those seeking an abortion,are feminists,think about politics or know what feminism is about?I doubt,very few,if any.

This issue is pretty much all the feminists care about.

Nope,that`s pretty much the only issue,the GOP thinks about,other than giving billionaires more money and guns to lunatics.

As soon as a child is born,the GOP loses all interest in that child`s welfare.How enlightened!<sarcasm>.I don`t have to remind folks,which political party is against welfare.

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RE: US abortions at lowest level since 1974 - 1/18/2008 12:40:59 PM

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Fast Reply Here:

Perhaps the fear of STDs has encouraged the use of prophylactics?
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RE: US abortions at lowest level since 1974 - 1/18/2008 12:43:46 PM

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I'm sorry that I'm just too tired to search for it, but a few days ago I read that the birth rate of Americans is rising, so much so that it is the highest rate currently for an industrialized country.Since it was the past few days it either came from CNN or NYT.

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RE: US abortions at lowest level since 1974 - 1/18/2008 12:59:52 PM

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If the anti abortion crowd is so confident that loss of access is not a factor in these numbers I'm sure that hrassment of doctors and resistance to Planned Parenthood and other providers returning to areas without access will cease. Which of course won't happen and neatly puts the lie to this as unmitigated good news.

Don't want an abortion then don't have one but leave everyone else alone in their decision making on the matter.

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