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Prinsexx -> RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" (1/19/2008 7:48:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael ya know, I really prefered Collarme the way it used to be... Some people need to learn to read and others need to either lay off or sell whatever it is they are smoking. The point wasn't that any mention of the past was good, it was to create a term to describe when people are full of shit. then maybe the urban doctionary entry needs to include: time-dropping: 1. the temporal equivalent to name dropping 2. whittering on about the past whilst psychologically constipasted 3. an unintentional attempt to stop newbies from feeling valid 4. originally used in a bdsm context, referring to those who felt a need to out everyone thay had ever scened with ed to add: antonym: forward thinking

RedMagic1 -> RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" (1/19/2008 11:04:59 AM)
People who have experience relevant to a particular situation can tell stories about that experience and how it relates to someone else's "new" situation. It ain't that hard to tell whether someone is offering wisdom or grinding an axe. Correct solutions are usually recognizable.

sirguym -> RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" (1/19/2008 11:45:22 AM)
Don't be too hard on the lad, he appears to be in the throes of his first big BDSM experience and thinks he can take on the world. I was the same at 24, he'll grow up soon enough. Though I do notice it has taken him 20 more years to get there ... when the internet makes it so much easier. quote: ORIGINAL: Leatherist Perhaps you should worry less about the behaviors of of others, and focus more on your own. Coming up with more negative terms to diss things you dislike really says more about you-than them.

MadRabbit -> RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" (1/19/2008 12:03:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sirguym Don't be too hard on the lad, he appears to be in the throes of his first big BDSM experience and thinks he can take on the world. I was the same at 24, he'll grow up soon enough. Though I do notice it has taken him 20 more years to get there ... when the internet makes it so much easier. quote: ORIGINAL: Leatherist Perhaps you should worry less about the behaviors of of others, and focus more on your own. Coming up with more negative terms to diss things you dislike really says more about you-than them. I'm really glad Sirguym posted this. This is a perfect example of how people use age or years of experience to pettily negate the worth or value of others as opposed to the intention of sharing wisdom. We might have gone this whole thread without a perfect example of bullshit

RCdc -> RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" (1/19/2008 12:09:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sirguym Don't be too hard on the lad, he appears to be in the throes of his first big BDSM experience and thinks he can take on the world. I was the same at 24, he'll grow up soon enough. Though I do notice it has taken him 20 more years to get there ... when the internet makes it so much easier. Pffft - and people say I can be condecending! Seriously, you just basically supported Michaels thoughts with a great example of bullshit. Like I said to Michael though, I don't need a term to call shit, shit - other than shit. Pat on the back for you hey. the.dark.

ExSteelAgain -> RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" (1/19/2008 12:40:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Prinsexx quote: ORIGINAL: Redoubt All I know is that nostalgia isn't what it used to be... [sm=applause.gif] Ah, make no mistake, there is power in nostalgia. This has nothing to do with the "experience" proponents however.

cloudboy -> RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" (1/19/2008 2:51:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael I want to add a new term to the BDSM lexicon, "time dropping" which is much more insidious because it cannot be verified. "I remember when honor/respect/martians was better/deeper/harder etc." or whatever other bullshit the poster is spreading. Historical references always serve a purpose, because they offer valuable context to the present. The key is, do you trust the HISTORIAN? I used to IM with a femdom who was a lawyer, and she used to say that cross examination was better than sex. As you can well imagine, there is no better way to impeach someone in the present than to reference what they said or did in the past. We are all accountable in this regard. I'm glad we can't run from it, and there would be serious ramifications if we could. As George Orwell said, “He who controls the present, controls the past. He who controls the past, controls the future.” So, there's nothing I like better than preventing someone from "self defining." You are the same too, as you never let the BUSH administration self define b/c you "time drop" on their propaganda machine.

Lordandmaster -> RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" (1/19/2008 3:10:43 PM)
Or like "Back when I used to head up Marketing for the San Antonio office..." quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael I want to add a new term to the BDSM lexicon, "time dropping" which is much more insidious because it cannot be verified. "I remember when honor/respect/martians was better/deeper/harder etc." or whatever other bullshit the poster is spreading.

Emperor1956 -> RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" (1/19/2008 4:09:57 PM)
A bunch of random thoughts this thread brings out, most about words and their use, and abuse: 1. To those of you who say "I don't need another word for bullshit" -- you obviously have no love of language, then. What Michael is doing (perhaps somewhat clumsily, but still he's making the attempt) is to come up with a term that encapsulates a concept we all know when we see it (yes, like pornography if you have a Sup. Ct. frame of mind). What's wrong with that? They say the Eskimos have seven words for snow. Hell, the B/D/S/M community could surely use several words for calling out bull. 2. And what level did you get to on Freerice? (Random, I know) 3. The Tammyjo of course pegs it in one concise post (that woman can THINK): Verifiable history can in fact be useful in supporting claims, teaching others, and -- yes -- verifying someone's credentials. The key is that the history cited has to be authentic, and it has to be relevant. Authentic as in verifiable as actually having occured; relevant as in relating to the subject at hand (e.g., simplisticly: "I've spent 30 years in the scene doing shibari" means diddly doo* if the subject is fireplay). Of course in some things, such as dealing with another's relationship issues, or affaire de coeur (that's French), your experience might mean bollocks. 4. SirguyM really stepped in the bovine effluvence* didn't he? He accused Michael of setting up a "straw man" and then does the same thing, only with 1000 times more condescention. MadRabbit and the dark called him out proper. But, and that leads me to my last cowflop***: 5. Here's the dilemma. Michael is one of a handful of people on here who while I have never met him, I have no doubts about his authenticity and experience. So when a relative newcomer to the boards "trashes" him for being supposedly inexperienced and "in the throes of his first B/D/S/M experience (a statement so inaccurate that it really did make me laugh out loud) I want to stand up and say "No, you got this guy ABSOLUTELY wrong." But the irony is of course that if I vouch for Michael (not that he needs "vouching for") then I'm guilty of...Name and Time Dropping. c'est la vie. (that's French, too, by the way) E ___________________ Diddly doo: another word for "bullshit" Bollocks: Actually means "testicles" but as used here, a synonym for "bullshit" You know what that means, don't you? ***Ditto Ditto, with a feminine component.

ownedgirlie -> RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" (1/19/2008 4:38:00 PM)
That's an interesting post, Emporer. My thoughts on this thread are not so related to "time dropping" as they are to the irony of it all. While I sometimes think SimplyMichael has some pretty cool things to say, I also sometimes think he has some pretty uncool things to say, particularly the ways in which he tells people how full of shit he thinks they are. But of course that is his way and his prerogative, so no big deal. The irony I saw was in his calling "name dropping" cheesy, and then continuing on to "time dropping." From one who "drops names" more often than anyone I've seen on CollarMe (a search brought up 11 threads in which he refers to his relationship with Jay Wiseman and 18 threads in which he brings up Dossie Easton, and in several of those he himself time drops, with statements like, "I grew up with people who played with them"), this whole thread amuses me with its irony. Hey to each their own, but I wouldn't come down so much on those who have come down on the OP. I mean, what if people find bullshit in the one who is looking for another word for bullshit?

LotusSong -> RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" (1/19/2008 4:45:17 PM)
So having history and experience and being able to back it up is a bad thing? Knowledge is a terrible thing to waste because it might not be PC to those with none. The best way to stop this behavior is to never say "oh YEAH?? Prove it!" a Nay here. It's right p there with their sophomoric "twue" word. Looks like another type of label and we ALL know how we feel about labels! LOL

MadRabbit -> RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" (1/19/2008 7:04:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LotusSong So having history and experience and being able to back it up is a bad thing? Knowledge is a terrible thing to waste because it might not be PC to those with none. The best way to stop this behavior is to never say "oh YEAH?? Prove it!" a Nay here. It's right p there with their sophomoric "twue" word. Looks like another type of label and we ALL know how we feel about labels! LOL Personally, it's the people who claim to have knowledge, but yet fail to ever share anything besides myopic generalizations and projections that make this kind of thing a bad thing....

sirguym -> RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" (1/20/2008 5:08:49 AM)
Perhaps the OP has experience: I neither know nor care. His profile, does not suggest wide or deep experience to me, though. When I was just finding my place, I was every bit as cocky as he is. I knew I was as good as any one of the grizzled old greybeards. But I listened to them without shooting my mouth off or being obsequious, because they had been there and hopefully learned from their experiences. That was true whether I genuinely respected them, or (mostly) privately thought them on of the 'has-beens' or 'never-wases'. One thing I knew for for sure was that I'd never learn much if I was openly disrespectful. I learned a lot from them all, by listening to what they said and testing anything that sounded useful against life in real-world situations, discarded the bullshit, and learned far more by that process than I could ever have found out solely by my own efforts. I have taken that knowledge, and what I had learned from my own experiences, back to the community. I have shared it in dozens of real-world ways. Now I am one of the grizzled old greybeards myself. I look back and can see, yes I had every right to be cocky then, I was good. I believe I still am. I don't expect or demand respect or deference from anybody for my experience; though if you do know and respect my efforts, thanks. But I would respectfully suggest that taking the attitude that every grizzled old greybeard is a boring old fart, as the OP seems to do, will mean that he loses out on an invaluable resource. The time has taught me just how hard it was to even become apparently a 'has-been' and easy it is to be a 'never-was'. However I find the attitude that 'experience' in an online gossip circle like collarme trumps experience in real life so be so ludicrous I giggled out loud! What next, is some bull-shitting online nerd going to suggest; 'I am a better pilot than you because I can fly any kind of aircraft in a computer simulation game'; but you can only fly boring old real-world airliners ... quote: ORIGINAL: Emperor1956 ... So when a relative newcomer to the boards ...

Level -> RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" (1/20/2008 6:12:02 AM)
I'm fairly sure Michael doesn't think, nor meant, that every "greybeard" is a "boring old fart".

ExSteelAgain -> RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" (1/20/2008 6:20:32 AM)
At least Michael made you "giggle." [8\|]

lateralist1 -> RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" (1/20/2008 8:35:30 AM)
When anyone asks me if I'm experienced which hasn't happened very often the answer always comes out compared to whom and in what area? And does it matter anyway? If pushed I will sight examples but it gets very boring after a while. I shan't be using ' time dropping' because people would not know what the hell I was talking about. We need less terminology not more.

LotusSong -> RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" (1/20/2008 2:18:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MadRabbit Personally, it's the people who claim to have knowledge, but yet fail to ever share anything besides myopic generalizations and projections that make this kind of thing a bad thing.... "If you want to know what lies on the road ahead, ask those coming back". Knowledge is where you learn what is worthwhile to you. After experiencing a thing and one has formed their opinion, one tends to enjoy their comfort zone. Just because someone has not experienced a thing, doesn't make those who have myopic, but you'll find that out down the road.

DaggerDom -> RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" (1/20/2008 4:03:22 PM)
I remember when time was invented and we didn't quite know how to hold it and dropped it all the time.

SimplyMichael -> RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" (1/20/2008 7:24:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MadRabbit quote: ORIGINAL: LotusSong So having history and experience and being able to back it up is a bad thing? Knowledge is a terrible thing to waste because it might not be PC to those with none. The best way to stop this behavior is to never say "oh YEAH?? Prove it!" a Nay here. It's right p there with their sophomoric "twue" word. Looks like another type of label and we ALL know how we feel about labels! LOL Personally, it's the people who claim to have knowledge, but yet fail to ever share anything besides myopic generalizations and projections that make this kind of thing a bad thing.... Rabbit, you summed it up beautifully! Knowledge and experience are wonderful things but often those with the most are the ones who brag about it least...

MissAstrid -> RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" (1/20/2008 7:32:34 PM)
[/quote] Oops:) Didn't mean you of course. In my experience, the number of years someone has been doing something does not have a direct correlation with their skill and ability to perform whatever that something is. [/quote] Yes, I had a sub come to me once who had been playing for 6 years, but didn't feel as though he had experienced submission until we started going down certain avenues of BDSM expression. Then he opened up, like he discovered himself. It was very refreshing and proof that is truly quality, not quantity, that makes a enriched player. In general, it's all a double edged sword, I say. People will criticize you for not having credibility when you do, simply for their own reasons, and sometimes time dropping and name dropping is all people have to fall back on when they don't know what else to say. I say, you move forward with your own goals in mind and try and stay away from the show-offs either way.

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