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RE: Do you care if your slave is a whore? - 1/20/2008 9:16:46 PM   
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Forgive me, julia, but I'm not sinking to that level.

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Um, you were in the gutter as soon as you said people who were sluts and whores cannot commit to anything and inferred they cannot be trusted.  That people who had more sexual partners had cheapened their love making... these are YOUR statements. If you do not believe what you wrote, fine, but to say that I am somehow lowering myself by addressing your judgmental comments, that is truly amusing to me.

I do not see myself as a slut or a whore btw, but I would certainly trust someone self labeling as a slut than I would someone judging them... just me, etc

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RE: Do you care if your slave is a whore? - 1/20/2008 9:20:56 PM   
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the issue isn't about whether or not you're into monogamy. the issue is that you tend to come across as painting people with a broad brush as well as being more concerned with the number of partners and not the quality of partners---serial monogamy will rack up just as many partners as one night stands. and the fact of the matter is--you are coming across as being more than slightly unwilling to open up to why others are responding to you in the manner they are. i'm all for having you're own opinion but you have to be willing accept why other people find it offensive and be able to defend it without resorting to having to call others insensitive. you're perfectly free to reject partners based on the number of partners that they've had but keep in mind there's going to be a lot of people who are going to reject you in the process including people who could potentially be very good for you, as well as helping you define and develop your own sexuality.


Ah, it's not that they're insensitive, but too sensitive.  Beyond me saying I'm not attracted to people who have slept around a lot for that aspect- I can't think of anything I've said that would hurt someone's feelings.

But, then, I'm not a really senstive guy.  I don't cry, I don't get mushy.  Things are just.. okay with me, you know?  Which, to me, is great.. but I'm really not sure if people can understand that I honestly have no idea why they're so emotional about this.

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RE: Do you care if your slave is a whore? - 1/20/2008 9:23:13 PM   
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While some people may be responding to you emotionally, don't make the mistake of shoving it all off on that.

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RE: Do you care if your slave is a whore? - 1/20/2008 9:24:25 PM   
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Forgive me, julia, but I'm not sinking to that level.

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you said people who were sluts and whores cannot commit to anything and inferred they cannot be trusted. [...] these are YOUR statements.


Wow.  I said that huh?  Mind showing me where?

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RE: Do you care if your slave is a whore? - 1/20/2008 9:25:52 PM   
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Ah, it's not that they're insensitive, but too sensitive.  Beyond me saying I'm not attracted to people who have slept around a lot for that aspect- I can't think of anything I've said that would hurt someone's feelings.

But, then, I'm not a really senstive guy.  I don't cry, I don't get mushy.  Things are just.. okay with me, you know?  Which, to me, is great.. but I'm really not sure if people can understand that I honestly have no idea why they're so emotional about this.



Since you seem to have honestly no idea, let me try to explain to it you from my point of view and hopefully you view this as an explaination and not an attack.

The whole "cheaping love-making" thing is pretty easy to take as an insult. I didn't respond to it 'cause I'm rather used to hearing it from people who share similar beliefs. I do view it as insulting, particularly when it comes from people I know personally. However, I  often don't deem it worth bothering with when I don't have to interact with people face-to-face. I can understand why others have tried to explain this to you though.

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RE: Do you care if your slave is a whore? - 1/20/2008 9:27:20 PM   
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Honestly you haven't hurt my feelings- but you've definitely said things that aren't logical, show a lack of foresight and a lot of limited understanding about sexuality, humans and relationships.


Then, please, point it out.

I'm by no means a slow individual, LA.  Rather, I sometimes take for granted that some things are understood.  If there's something that seems illogical, I'd be glad to explain it.. but out-of-handly disregarding something I've said without pointing it out leaves me in a strange position of not even knowing what someone's issue is.

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RE: Do you care if your slave is a whore? - 1/20/2008 9:27:43 PM   
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the issue isn't about whether or not you're into monogamy. the issue is that you tend to come across as painting people with a broad brush as well as being more concerned with the number of partners and not the quality of partners---serial monogamy will rack up just as many partners as one night stands. and the fact of the matter is--you are coming across as being more than slightly unwilling to open up to why others are responding to you in the manner they are. i'm all for having you're own opinion but you have to be willing accept why other people find it offensive and be able to defend it without resorting to having to call others insensitive. you're perfectly free to reject partners based on the number of partners that they've had but keep in mind there's going to be a lot of people who are going to reject you in the process including people who could potentially be very good for you, as well as helping you define and develop your own sexuality.


Ah, it's not that they're insensitive, but too sensitive.  Beyond me saying I'm not attracted to people who have slept around a lot for that aspect- I can't think of anything I've said that would hurt someone's feelings.

But, then, I'm not a really senstive guy.  I don't cry, I don't get mushy.  Things are just.. okay with me, you know?  Which, to me, is great.. but I'm really not sure if people can understand that I honestly have no idea why they're so emotional about this.



it's because you're coming across as overgeneralizing on an aspect of (presumably) women's sexuality that has been traditionally used to hold them back from full sexual expression--you're dirty and not worthy. i mean if that's your thing great. but please be aware that you're probably not going to be able to go down without a fight (d*mn i'm cliche heavy tonight). the problem is that you're essentially saying for example, fluffy i think you're a great girl and i think you're lots of fun but you say you've doubled your partners in the past year not counting your assault? sorry you're not worthy my attention (whether that's true or not is irrelevant). that's a little...harsh. and whatever your intentions for coming up with an actual range (whether it was for this thread or not) it makes you seem excessively shallow and extremely narrow minded. it could just be the fact that you loose a lot of self expresssion in trying to communicate in cyberspace but regardless it's what happens and may be happening here.

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RE: Do you care if your slave is a whore? - 1/20/2008 9:30:09 PM   
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The whole "cheaping love-making" thing is pretty easy to take as an insult. I didn't respond to it 'cause I'm rather used to hearing it from people who share similar beliefs. I do view it as insulting, particularly when it comes from people I know personally. However, I  often don't deem it worth bothering with when I don't have to interact with people face-to-face. I can understand why others have tried to explain this to you though.


For me, participating in a "sacred" activity which has been practiced and shared with many makes it feel.. well, less valuable.  It's just how I feel.. 

I mean, in this case, is my own feeling in this regard inniately offensive to people?

I do appreciate you telling me, by the way.  No offense taken at all!  :)

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RE: Do you care if your slave is a whore? - 1/20/2008 9:32:22 PM   
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I mean, in this case, is my own feeling in this regard inniately offensive to people?

I do appreciate you telling me, by the way.  No offense taken at all!  :)

unfortunately, whether it's fair or not, in this case, yes. but keep in mind there's probably just as many people who are NOT posting who are in agreement with you.

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RE: Do you care if your slave is a whore? - 1/20/2008 9:33:31 PM   
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So is a slave who's a whore better or worse than one who's a satanist?

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RE: Do you care if your slave is a whore? - 1/20/2008 9:34:04 PM   
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For me, participating in a "sacred" activity which has been practiced and shared with many makes it feel.. well, less valuable.  It's just how I feel.. 

I mean, in this case, is my own feeling in this regard inniately offensive to people?

I do appreciate you telling me, by the way.  No offense taken at all!  :)


No, but how you expressed it is. It is one thing to say that you regard sex as a sacred activity, to be reserved for very committed relationships and that you want someone who feels the same thing and has few previous partners and another thing to say that a person having had lots of partners cheapens their love making.

Does this make sense?

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RE: Do you care if your slave is a whore? - 1/20/2008 9:34:20 PM   
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it's because you're coming across as overgeneralizing on an aspect of (presumably) women's sexuality that has been traditionally used to hold them back from full sexual expression--you're dirty and not worthy. i mean if that's your thing great. but please be aware that you're probably not going to be able to go down without a fight (d*mn i'm cliche heavy tonight). the problem is that you're essentially saying for example, fluffy i think you're a great girl and i think you're lots of fun but you say you've doubled your partners in the past year not counting your assault? sorry you're not worthy my attention (whether that's true or not is irrelevant). that's a little...harsh. and whatever your intentions for coming up with an actual range (whether it was for this thread or not) it makes you seem excessively shallow and extremely narrow minded. it could just be the fact that you loose a lot of self expresssion in trying to communicate in cyberspace but regardless it's what happens and may be happening here.


It seems like I'm overgeneralizing?

So people aren't getting that I'm not saying sluttiness vs. non-sluttiness is the big almighty factor..?

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RE: Do you care if your slave is a whore? - 1/20/2008 9:34:44 PM   
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So is a slave who's a whore better or worse than one who's a satanist?


not sure i'm grasping the connection on this one...not sure why being a satanist is a bad thing though that may be some of my friends are satanists...

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RE: Do you care if your slave is a whore? - 1/20/2008 9:35:23 PM   
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No, but how you expressed it is. It is one thing to say that you regard sex as a sacred activity, to be reserved for very committed relationships and that you want someone who feels the same thing and has few previous partners and another thing to say that a person having had lots of partners cheapens their love making.

Does this make sense?


It does, but doesn't it also make sense to acknowledge a coorelation between the two?

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RE: Do you care if your slave is a whore? - 1/20/2008 9:36:40 PM   
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So is a slave who's a whore better or worse than one who's a satanist?


not sure i'm grasping the connection on this one...not sure why being a satanist is a bad thing though that may be some of my friends are satanists...


dcnovice has been on the satanist joke thing for a while now.  He's just kidding.  :P

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RE: Do you care if your slave is a whore? - 1/20/2008 9:37:59 PM   
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it's because you're coming across as overgeneralizing on an aspect of (presumably) women's sexuality that has been traditionally used to hold them back from full sexual expression--you're dirty and not worthy. i mean if that's your thing great. but please be aware that you're probably not going to be able to go down without a fight (d*mn i'm cliche heavy tonight). the problem is that you're essentially saying for example, fluffy i think you're a great girl and i think you're lots of fun but you say you've doubled your partners in the past year not counting your assault? sorry you're not worthy my attention (whether that's true or not is irrelevant). that's a little...harsh. and whatever your intentions for coming up with an actual range (whether it was for this thread or not) it makes you seem excessively shallow and extremely narrow minded. it could just be the fact that you loose a lot of self expresssion in trying to communicate in cyberspace but regardless it's what happens and may be happening here.


It seems like I'm overgeneralizing?

So people aren't getting that I'm not saying sluttiness vs. non-sluttiness is the big almighty factor..?


1. yep
2. again the problem is in your delivery. you hint at that but then you make some really strong statements that come across as being slightly/more than slightly offensive or could be at the very least.


and since it wouldn't let me post--i knew there had to be a connection to satanists that i wasn't seeing lol.


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RE: Do you care if your slave is a whore? - 1/20/2008 9:40:29 PM   
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It does, but doesn't it also make sense to acknowledge a coorelation between the two?


It's like saying "I'm only attracted to thin woman" as opposed to "Tubs of lard make me gag". Sure they mean relatively the same thing, but one is offensive and the other isn't.

While I realize this isn't your intent, when you say "Having a lot of previous partners cheapens love-making in my opinion" you are basically saying that in your opinion the love-making of a woman with a lot of previous partners isn't as good as one who doesn't have a lot of previous partners. And, while is may be true for you in your relationships, it's like coming on the board and saying "All men should serve all women" - it's going to offend somebody.

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RE: Do you care if your slave is a whore? - 1/20/2008 9:42:25 PM   
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So is a slave who's a whore better or worse than one who's a satanist?


not sure i'm grasping the connection on this one...not sure why being a satanist is a bad thing though that may be some of my friends are satanists...



It's a jocular reference to a thread that kept worming its way to the top of the page in my natural habitat of Random Stupidity.

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RE: Do you care if your slave is a whore? - 1/20/2008 9:43:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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So is a slave who's a whore better or worse than one who's a satanist?


not sure i'm grasping the connection on this one...not sure why being a satanist is a bad thing though that may be some of my friends are satanists...



It's a jocular reference to a thread that kept worming its way to the top of the page in my natural habitat of Random Stupidity.


yeah...i get it now...my domme just spent too much time yanking on my head in a vain attempt to put in yarn dreads lol.

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RE: Do you care if your slave is a whore? - 1/20/2008 9:44:42 PM   
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