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Level -> RE: Dr Phil- no license to practice (1/20/2008 3:33:48 PM)
The strike seems to be making things worse. The reality shows don't require scripts, so the networks are resorting more to them while the strike goes on. CBS is bringing Big Brother out next month, instead of waiting for its normal summer time slot. I like that show, though.

Alumbrado -> RE: Dr Phil- no license to practice (1/20/2008 3:42:28 PM)
The only thing Dr. Phil has been practicing for some time, is selling mindless entertainment... no license neeeded for that. [:D] And count on it that his corpration has licensed people on staff to cover him legally for any of his suggestions to guests that border on medical advice.

MistressNoName -> RE: Dr Phil- no license to practice (1/20/2008 3:45:20 PM)
Actually, technically speaking...and I'm not sure whether this is truly good or bad, practicing in mental health field is different than practicing medicine in that you don't really have to have a license to practice. Now, let me clarify - in most mental health settings, ie: hospitals, out-patient clinics etc and most insurance companies DO require that a practitioner be licensed but really, licensing is just a way for individual states to try and monitor, regulate, define parameters of practice and yes, make a buck off of clinicians. But, any tom, dick or mary who has an inkling can hang a shingle and practice mental health in some shape or form. Now, what you can't do is claim to be a psychiatrist, psychologist, social worker whatever without the proper education, training, degree and/or license. But, you can certainly hang a shingle and call yourself some kind of counselor, or "lifestyle coach" and charge people money for whatever "treatment" or service you say you dole out. And general rules of thumb, like "caveat emptor (sp?)" come into play. Unless you're properly licensed you also usually cannot third-party bill, so your clients will have to pay out of pocket, which is a difficult way for most practitioners to make a living, unless they also write, make the lecture circuit, have other jobs or a popular tv talk show. Now, whether or not you like or respect Dr. Phil, is a different matter, but technically, he's not doing anything legally wrong. And I'm quite sure he's got enough lawyers on the case to properly advise him. MNN

Level -> RE: Dr Phil- no license to practice (1/20/2008 3:45:46 PM)
Well, I hope he sends a nice gift to Oprah every year, he owes! [:D]

MistressNoName -> RE: Dr Phil- no license to practice (1/20/2008 3:49:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level Well, I hope he sends a nice gift to Oprah every year, he owes! [:D] Well, I'm sure Oprah is too eternally grateful to him for successfully "coaching" her during her legal battle with the beef industry...He was an invaluable part of her team, as I recall her saying over and over. So, I think he's paid up as far as she's concerned. MNN

Level -> RE: Dr Phil- no license to practice (1/20/2008 3:55:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MistressNoName quote: ORIGINAL: Level Well, I hope he sends a nice gift to Oprah every year, he owes! [:D] Well, I'm sure Oprah is too eternally grateful to him for successfully "coaching" her during her legal battle with the beef industry...He was an invaluable part of her team, as I recall her saying over and over. So, I think he's paid up as far as she's concerned. MNN Yes, maybe so, maybe so. She almost wilted during that......

juliaoceania -> RE: Dr Phil- no license to practice (1/20/2008 6:07:33 PM)
quote: That is really fucking creepy. I'd want her completely OUT of the public eye during the difficult time of therapy, not under it. I can not even begin to imagine trying to go through therapy when the entire nation was judging and mocking me for every setback. That takes public humiliation to a new level.

Aileen1968 -> RE: Dr Phil- no license to practice (1/20/2008 6:11:00 PM)
Dr. Phil is a dick.

Vendaval -> RE: Dr Phil- no license to practice (1/20/2008 6:19:29 PM)
It is also extremely unethical of any mental health professional. quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania quote: That is really fucking creepy. I'd want her completely OUT of the public eye during the difficult time of therapy, not under it. I can not even begin to imagine trying to go through therapy when the entire nation was judging and mocking me for every setback. That takes public humiliation to a new level.

Nosathro -> RE: Dr Phil- no license to practice (1/20/2008 6:37:28 PM)
Mistress NoName as a Mental Health Practioner I can tell you that at least in California you are wrong. You have to be licensed by the State. As to Dr. Phil my understanding is that he had a license from the State of Texas, however California does not reconize this license. Meaning Dr. Phil must take and past the exam. Further it appears Dr. Phil was under a probation in Texas that he did not complete and his license there was suspended. Under California Patient Rights Law and Federal HIPP Laws unless Dr. Phil had a signed relase of information from Birtney..he is in a lot of trouble and could be charged with a Federal crime and do time. I work in this field and I know. quote: ORIGINAL: MistressNoName Actually, technically speaking...and I'm not sure whether this is truly good or bad, practicing in mental health field is different than practicing medicine in that you don't really have to have a license to practice. Now, let me clarify - in most mental health settings, ie: hospitals, out-patient clinics etc and most insurance companies DO require that a practitioner be licensed but really, licensing is just a way for individual states to try and monitor, regulate, define parameters of practice and yes, make a buck off of clinicians. But, any tom, dick or mary who has an inkling can hang a shingle and practice mental health in some shape or form. Now, what you can't do is claim to be a psychiatrist, psychologist, social worker whatever without the proper education, training, degree and/or license. But, you can certainly hang a shingle and call yourself some kind of counselor, or "lifestyle coach" and charge people money for whatever "treatment" or service you say you dole out. And general rules of thumb, like "caveat emptor (sp?)" come into play. Unless you're properly licensed you also usually cannot third-party bill, so your clients will have to pay out of pocket, which is a difficult way for most practitioners to make a living, unless they also write, make the lecture circuit, have other jobs or a popular tv talk show. Now, whether or not you like or respect Dr. Phil, is a different matter, but technically, he's not doing anything legally wrong. And I'm quite sure he's got enough lawyers on the case to properly advise him. MNN

RedMagic1 -> RE: Dr Phil- no license to practice (1/20/2008 7:16:09 PM)
Phil McGraw, Ph.D., made a living as a professional jury consultant before becoming a full-time television personality. He practiced as a therapist for a very short time, according to his own admission in an interview two years ago. His main job was to advise attorneys which people they should keep on (or off) the jury in order to get their client acquitted. This is a service available only to defendants with a tremedous amount of money.

Feric -> RE: Dr Phil- no license to practice (1/20/2008 8:01:26 PM)
Camille65 has hit the nail on the head. It's a cruel streak in human nature in which some people like to see others subjected to public humiliation, which is what most of those talk shows are all about. They also play on the vanity of the subjects, who are willing to endure shame and mockery in order to get their fifteen minutes of fame. The only time I see those clowns is when I'm working out at my sports club; they're splayed across the TV screens like bloated roadkill, and the audiences look like so many vultures and jackals moving in to pick the carcasses. I pity those talk show victims, I really do. Their lives are being destroyed and they don't even know it; if they do, they don't care--and that's the biggest tragedy of all.

FangsNfeet -> RE: Dr Phil- no license to practice (1/20/2008 8:26:33 PM)
Yeah, but does Dr Phil need a license just to visit someone in the hospital? To my understanding, Phil only visited Britney Spears as a friend of the family and not hired to be her shrink. He didn't diagnos nor try to treat any of Britney's symptoms. Phil just walked in hoping to talk and explain to Spears how much her family loves her and wants professional help involved. He gave her and the media his oppinion but didn't over step any bounds of what he is and is not allowed to do in the state of California. Does visiting someone in the hospital and having a conversation with them consitute as practicing psychiatric medicine? Sheesh, I guess alot of us are screwed.

MistressNoName -> RE: Dr Phil- no license to practice (1/20/2008 9:48:31 PM)
Well, I'm not sure what part of my post you believe I'm wrong about, as I was not commenting on anything specific that Dr. Phil may of may not have done or may or may not be "in trouble" for, ie: HIPAA laws, etc. I do know however that plenty of people are out there practicing various forms of "counseling," "coaching," etc and are not licensed by any state. And many are not required by either their work places or their particular states to be licensed. And I do believe that I stated one cannot claim to hold a particular credential when one does not nor claim to be of a certain discipline without the education/training/license to back it up. So, again, not clear what you're disagreeing with. MNN quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro Mistress NoName as a Mental Health Practioner I can tell you that at least in California you are wrong. You have to be licensed by the State. As to Dr. Phil my understanding is that he had a license from the State of Texas, however California does not reconize this license. Meaning Dr. Phil must take and past the exam. Further it appears Dr. Phil was under a probation in Texas that he did not complete and his license there was suspended. Under California Patient Rights Law and Federal HIPP Laws unless Dr. Phil had a signed relase of information from Birtney..he is in a lot of trouble and could be charged with a Federal crime and do time. I work in this field and I know. quote: ORIGINAL: MistressNoName Actually, technically speaking...and I'm not sure whether this is truly good or bad, practicing in mental health field is different than practicing medicine in that you don't really have to have a license to practice. Now, let me clarify - in most mental health settings, ie: hospitals, out-patient clinics etc and most insurance companies DO require that a practitioner be licensed but really, licensing is just a way for individual states to try and monitor, regulate, define parameters of practice and yes, make a buck off of clinicians. But, any tom, dick or mary who has an inkling can hang a shingle and practice mental health in some shape or form. Now, what you can't do is claim to be a psychiatrist, psychologist, social worker whatever without the proper education, training, degree and/or license. But, you can certainly hang a shingle and call yourself some kind of counselor, or "lifestyle coach" and charge people money for whatever "treatment" or service you say you dole out. And general rules of thumb, like "caveat emptor (sp?)" come into play. Unless you're properly licensed you also usually cannot third-party bill, so your clients will have to pay out of pocket, which is a difficult way for most practitioners to make a living, unless they also write, make the lecture circuit, have other jobs or a popular tv talk show. Now, whether or not you like or respect Dr. Phil, is a different matter, but technically, he's not doing anything legally wrong. And I'm quite sure he's got enough lawyers on the case to properly advise him. MNN

adoracat -> RE: Dr Phil- no license to practice (1/20/2008 10:22:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub I'll confess: Sometimes I watch Jerry. Most of the time I can't stomach it though. I prefer Judge Judy and the others like that. Montel's show has been ok, I liked it when he took a bunch of pre-teen girls who were trying to get pregnant and had them baby-sit infants (under supervision but no help) for an afternoon. my son was...difficult. i offered him to two dear friends of mine who were wanting to become parents. i watched while they dealt with him for about 2 hours... they decided they werent ready to become parents. one of them STILL isnt a parent, 14 years later. and my daughter used those memories of him (she was 11 when he was born) to remind her to be VERY faithful with birth control. she's 25 now, and just begining to think she might want a kiddo "someday". it works. [:D] kitten

MzMia -> RE: Dr Phil- no license to practice (1/20/2008 11:08:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alumbrado The only thing Dr. Phil has been practicing for some time, is selling mindless entertainment... no license neeeded for that. [:D] And count on it that his corpration has licensed people on staff to cover him legally for any of his suggestions to guests that border on medical advice. I agree with this statement, and I will admit I DO like Dr. Phil. I don't always agree with him, but I don't always agree with anyone. The majority of the people that go on his show and watch him, do so because they like him as a person, and the type of hard nosed advice that he offers. He almost always offers to pay for professional counseling for his guests. If you like him, as I do, watch him. If you don't like him, don't watch him. He has plenty of fans, and I am sure he will be around for a very long time.

MissMorrigan -> RE: Dr Phil- no license to practice (1/20/2008 11:16:31 PM)
Clearly, he has committed no offence other than to breach the confidences of those that sought his advice in a personal/private capacity. His only crime is an ethical one - or lack thereof.

meatcleaver -> RE: Dr Phil- no license to practice (1/20/2008 11:17:32 PM)
Psychology like sociology, is a pseudo science anyway so even with a licence to practice, it is still voodoo and still dangerous to people who are not very critical and take advice like a rubbish bin takes in rubbish.

Alumbrado -> RE: Dr Phil- no license to practice (1/21/2008 6:46:13 AM)
quote: Mistress NoName as a Mental Health Practioner I can tell you that at least in California you are wrong. You have to be licensed by the State. Not quite... as pointed out, people in Cali can practice mental health counseling as a member of the clergy, as a New Age practitioner, as a 'life coach', and so forth.

AMaster -> RE: Dr Phil- no license to practice (1/21/2008 9:30:02 AM)
No license? Thats a shame, because he seems to be able to cure all the ills of the world in less than an hour a day.

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