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Emperor1956 -> RE: Robert E. Lee Day (1/23/2008 9:48:04 PM)

A TOTALLY OFF TOPIC BUT YET ODDLY COMPELLING REPLY:

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Bliss-  I don't really care who started what - but it is nice to hear that my uncle (forgot how many greats go before it) is remembered like that.
Wonder how many of us are kissing cousin's via this Southern Gentleman.



Bliss, be careful who you claim as your blood.  You are a self professed "Irish witch", no?   Your great x 3 or 4 uncle, Robt. E. Lee, was proudly descended from Sir (or if you are of the Catholic faith, St.) Thomas More.  Also from Robert the Bruce, perhaps the most revered of Scots.

Seems to me an Irish witch might get burned, stoned, or worse by these most UN Irish and UN Wiccan of ancestors *GRIN*.

"Politics makes strange bedfellows, but bloodlines make 'em even stranger." -- Emperor, by way of Wm. Shakespear (another Englishman not overly fond of the Irish, or witches)




thompsonx -> RE: Robert E. Lee Day (1/26/2008 12:50:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Archer

OK memory failedme as to the direction of the tariffs Northern proposed Tariffs were proposed and put in place on goods imported from europe (the prefered partner for many Southern markets) But the effect was much the same.

The other critical economic issue that divided the North from the South was that of tariffs. Tariffs were taxes placed on imported goods, the money from which would go to the government. Throughout the antebellum period, whenever the federal government wanted to raise tariffs, Southern Congressmen generally opposed it and Northern Congressmen generally supported it. Southerners generally favored low tariffs because this kept the cost of imported goods low, which was important in the South's import-oriented economy. Southern planters and farmers were concerned that high tariffs might make their European trading partners, primarily the British, raise prices on manufactured goods imported by the South in order to maintain a profit on trade.
In the North, however, high tariffs were viewed favorably because such tariffs would make imported goods more expensive. That way, goods produced in the North would seem relatively cheap, and Americans would want to buy American goods instead of European items. Since tariffs would protect domestic industry from foreign competition, business interests and others influenced politicians to support high tariffs.
Americans in the West were divided on the issue. In the Southwest, where cotton was a primary commodity, people generally promoted low tariffs. In the Northwest and parts of Kentucky, where hemp (used for baling cotton) was a big crop, people supported high tariffs
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http://www.historycentral.com/civilwar/AMERICA/Economics.html

They already were passed Morrill Tariffs 1861 that replaced the far less protectionist 1857 tariffs.
When looked at these tariffs were far disproportionate in effect by region.
Northern Manufacturing benifits boosting their economy, Southern Agriculture loses proftitability.


Additional Tax based reasons cited in history

As industry in the North expanded it looked towards southern markets, rich with cash from the lucrative agricultural business, to buy the North's manufactured goods. However, it was often cheaper for the South to purchase the goods abroad. In order to "protect" the northern industries Jackson slapped a tariff on many of the imported goods that could be manufactured in the North. When South Carolina passed the Ordinance of Nullification in November 1832, refusing to collect the tariff and threatening to withdraw from the Union, Jackson ordered federal troops to Charleston. A secession crisis was averted when Congress revised the Tariff of Abominations in February 1833.
http://ngeorgia.com/history/why.html

So the fear that the Federal Government was using taxes to protect the Industrial North to the detriment of the Agrarian South have a sound basis historicly (afterall it had happened just 30 some years earlier) and it was happening again when the Morrell Tarrifs came in 1861.

Archer:
Taxes and tariffs are a prerogative of the federal government granted to the fed by the constitution.  Since this discussion is about how the civil war was fought over the question of "states rights" this is a bit of a red hearing,don't you think?
thompson








thompsonx -> RE: Robert E. Lee Day (1/26/2008 12:59:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: RUMRUNNER69

If my memory serves me right the south did fire on Fort Sumter first BUT----Fort Sumter was a union base sitting on what was Confederate land and they were told to leave. When they refused they were told that if any re-supply was attempted they would be fired upon. At that point the union soldiers were foreign troops illegally occupying land that belonged the the Confederate States of America-An independant Nation that had exercised it's right to seccede as guarenteed by the constitution of the United States....
I have looked closely at the constitution and cannot find the part that says that the states may leave the union at will.  Perhaps you might disabuse me of my ignorance by pointing it out to me.


I live in an old house.I did not build it but it is mine. If the former tenents walked into my home, started cooking my food, watching my television and tried to sleep in my bed  I would have the right to ask them to leave and if they didn't I believe I would/should have the right toshoot at them too.
What you have done here is to create a false analogy. 
A more correct analogy might be that of two brothers who occupy one house and one tells the other to get the fuck out. When the challenged brother refuses, the challenging brother begins to shoot at him.
History shows us how that came out.




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