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RE: toilet training - 1/21/2008 1:11:40 PM   
heartfeltsub


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RE: toilet training - 1/21/2008 1:47:42 PM   
beargonewild


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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

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ORIGINAL: Justme696

Lets try this;

Lick the toilet  well clean...also in the corners, stand up...french kiss your Dom(me) deeply



I'm curious - - Would you advise that to a submissive who has just drank down her Master's urine?  Or who has just rimmed him?  Or who has just sucked his toes?


Cripes, that sounds like a night of pure raunch and pig play which many gay men just love to participate in!

If you think this is another form of "My kink is OK, yours is not" then where do you draw the line between what is kink and what is highly unacceptable activity?
No where did the OP state licking toilets is a kink of his. He did state "I am not sure i will be able to do it..." which indicates this is an ick issue for him. Keep in mind he asked for advice and we gave advice. The OP is adult enough to read through all the posts and make his own mind up on what is acceptable for him and act upon that as he sees fit.


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RE: toilet training - 1/21/2008 2:37:09 PM   
iwearpanties


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Status: offline 		dam and i thoguth toilet trainng was being kept off the pot or made too hold it or to kneel amnd be peed on i wouldnt lick any toilet

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RE: toilet training - 1/21/2008 3:06:08 PM   
ownedgirlie


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ORIGINAL: beargonewild
Cripes, that sounds like a night of pure raunch and pig play which many gay men just love to participate in!

If you think this is another form of "My kink is OK, yours is not" then where do you draw the line between what is kink and what is highly unacceptable activity?
No where did the OP state licking toilets is a kink of his. He did state "I am not sure i will be able to do it..." which indicates this is an ick issue for him. Keep in mind he asked for advice and we gave advice. The OP is adult enough to read through all the posts and make his own mind up on what is acceptable for him and act upon that as he sees fit.


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Well, apparently I'm a raunchy pig! 

Personally I hate the term "kink" as so much of what I engage in with my Master is not something we consider a "kink" of ours, rather an exercise in dominance and submission.

But I kind of liked the "kink not ok" phrase, so I used it.  If it works better for you, I'll rephrase - "Something that is acceptable to you may not not be viewed as acceptable to others, so must we be so tacky when saying so?"

Is that better?

As for what is acceptable or not, well you'll have to ask my Master that, as he determines such things for me.  So far, nothing has been said on this thread that I would consider unacceptable.  And if every time I "didn't think I could do something," he said OK, don't do it, then I never would have realized I really could do it.

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RE: toilet training - 1/21/2008 3:09:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: subcolumbus

I have gotta ask- My Master told me this weekend to keep the toilets clean, because i will be licking and cleaning them with my tongue. I am not sure i will be able to do it. advice?


Try using a non-toxic cleaner on the toilets - and then keep it in a spray bottle with a roll of towel paper by the toilet and wash it frequently.

For ideas on non-toxic cleaners see: http://www.care2.com/greenliving/make-your-own-non-toxic-cleaning-kit.html

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RE: toilet training - 1/21/2008 3:15:48 PM   
daddysprop247


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Status: offline 		ownedgirlie gave some great examples of non-toxic cleaners to use, esp. the baking soda and white vinegar (make a paste). another method is to use a freshly cut lemon rubbed in table salt..it'll clean the tough bits and leave the toilet smelling sweet.

as to whether this is something that should be done or not, that is up to the individual to decide. if my Master ordered something like this, i would just be happy that he was being kind enough to allow me to clean the toilet (the vanilla way) first.

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RE: toilet training - 1/21/2008 3:16:08 PM   
SimplyMichael


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Status: offline 		A lot of ignorance appears in this thread.  We all have e. coli of various sorts living inside our digestive tract and I am pretty sure, in our mouths.  That system, from the mouth to the anus is built to be rather "dirty" and protect the rest of the body from those germs.  That is why being "gut shot" is so dangerous (also because the intestines are coiled and you get multiple perforations) because those germs are then released into the body.

Think about it, scat is where those germs come from, INSIDE THE BODY!  More than a few of us enjoy being rimmed and or rimming and that is far less clean than a toilet seat.  We use things like bleach to clean toilets, for anything but some of the newer multi-resistant bugs, that is going to sterilize it.

That is why floors tend to be so riddled with germs, dirty mops with dirty water are used to "clean" them...

So, with a bit of sanity, lets step back and look at what is involved.  Two fluid bonded individuals who have shared pretty much all the germs they each have and who have done simple ass play with fingers let alone ass-to-mouth sex or rimming, have done all the germ sharing that can be done.  A toilet is going to be cleaner (making the assumption it is THEIR toilet in THEIR house) than any sex they normally have.

Clearly this is a HUGE taboo for some people but it isn't one grounded in any sort of reality.  I mean he did say she could clean it first.  Personally, I would be more worried about the toxic chemicals used to CLEAN a bathroom than I would the germs a home bathroom contains!

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RE: toilet training - 1/21/2008 3:30:54 PM   
MercilessMarcy


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Status: offline 		sigh....I know I might not want to know the truth but SimplyMichael, do you know of a site online that backs up your statements?  I have a slave who WANTS scat play.  I am worried about E.coli and possible health concerns. 

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RE: toilet training - 1/21/2008 3:48:56 PM   
daddysliloneds


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Status: offline 		clean the toilets as he asked and just say no when he tells you to lick them, and if that's a problem for him, then i'm sure he knows how to show himself to the door! 

i don't know why people have such a hard time saying no and defining their own limits without feeling like they're being a bad sub/slave!

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RE: toilet training - 1/21/2008 3:50:16 PM   
SimplyMichael


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Status: offline 		Most of it is basic HS biology (dimly remembered mind  you) and  online sites are mostly untrustworthy and or silly.

The risk varies greatly on your partner, if you are monogamous, the risks are different and lower than if you are not and I think it would be very unwise to do this sort of play with anyone you were not REALLY bonded to.

I would ask in the "health and safety" section as there are more medically inclined individuals who post there who might be able to send you to trustworthy sites.

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RE: toilet training - 1/21/2008 5:53:53 PM   
xxblushesxx


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Status: offline 		Simply Michael; if you look at the OP's last thread in this section he was talking about how his 'master' cheated with another without using protection, and that he didn't know how to tell his other partner.
Hardly sounds like 'fluid bonded' to me....

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RE: toilet training - 1/21/2008 5:54:28 PM   
beargonewild


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Status: offline 		I'm also wondering if a person went to a health clinic and asked for any info of that nature? 

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RE: toilet training - 1/21/2008 6:42:34 PM   
SimplyMichael


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Status: offline 		This thread left the OP behind long ago and has become about scat play.  Besides, partners who cheat are a health risk for any sort of contact, including preparing food (hepatitis)!

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RE: toilet training - 1/21/2008 6:48:20 PM   
Kalista07


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"gut shot"



Not intending to hijack the OP's thread or look any stupider than i do on a regular basis, but SimplyMichael, what is this?


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RE: toilet training - 1/21/2008 6:57:12 PM   
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RE: toilet training - 1/21/2008 7:12:55 PM   
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RE: toilet training - 1/21/2008 7:15:24 PM   
RoughFN


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ORIGINAL: beargonewild

If you think this is another form of "My kink is OK, yours is not" then where do you draw the line between what is kink and what is highly unacceptable activity?
No where did the OP state licking toilets is a kink of his. He did state "I am not sure i will be able to do it..." which indicates this is an ick issue for him.



I don't draw lines for other people. Well, the standard sanity stuff like murdering or animal rape or assaulting me or whatnot. That I don't care for. But two grown adults doing whatever the hell they want in their own home? I couldn't care less. Cut each other open and rub feces in the wound. Fellate a cactus. If it gets your rocks off, have at it.

And you're right - the OP did state "I am not sure I will be able to do it..." but I didn't read that as being an ick issue. It's just standard slave disobedience. The master ordered him to do something that he didn't want to do and he's protesting and trying to figure out the issue. The specific act is irrelevant. He just doesn't want to play along. I'm not making claims one way or the other as to whether he should or he shouldn't. But the act is meaningless. This is a submission issue.

He could've posted the same question with nonsense words. "My master wants me to furble the fleemwaver. But that's gross! What should I do?" Then everyone would focus on the important part - "that's gross! What should I do?" He didn't ask about ways to clean the fleemwaver or the dangers of furbling (though could've easily clarified if he was looking for that in a later post). He did say that he's being given an order he doesn't want to follow.

That should get all the usual advice about not wanting to follow orders (talk to the dom, run away if it's a deal breaker, call a safeword, beg and plead, play along to see if he's serious, etc etc etc) w/o focusing on the specific task.

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RE: toilet training - 1/21/2008 7:18:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's possible to follow the order, the slave does not seem to want to make it possible. These things are not that difficult to sanitize. They become difficult when one decides to make them so. If one really wishes to comply-they will find a way that works for them.

If not, nothing will. It's about being stubborn, rather than cooperating.

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RE: toilet training - 1/21/2008 8:26:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		But...really....my Master wants me to furble the fleemwaver.
I find that disgusting.
What should I do?!!!!

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RE: toilet training - 1/21/2008 9:17:57 PM   
beargonewild


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ORIGINAL: RoughFN

"...The specific act is irrelevant. He just doesn't want to play along. I'm not making claims one way or the other as to whether he should or he shouldn't. But the act is meaningless. This is a submission issue."



It may or may not be a question of his submission. Based upon the piece of info he deemed to offer, is what the opinion was based upon. But I suppose that when a submissive happens to question or want advice, it's an automatic presumption the submissive is having "issues."


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