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Real0ne -> RE: The REAL Welfare Story (1/24/2008 2:05:39 AM)
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ORIGINAL: kittinSol
What shocked me was the funding of competitive sports: so, it's taxpayers who pay for leagues to buy their teams and stadiums?!
yep we have one of those stadiums and all it was was a nice corporate welfare package. 250million to build a stadium whne all that was needed was minor renovations to the old one.
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ORIGINAL: Griswold
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ORIGINAL: Archer
BTW the 100,000 number is simple to reach Sallary is generally found to be about 50%
So middle class job total compensation of 100,000 would yield a $50,000 a year job.
It's a rule of thumb only but that's where it comes from for me.
Archer...you're pissing in the wind speaking to people that...
a) Don't understand the logic
b) Have never owned, started or managed a company
c) Are looking to be entirely contrary solely because your comments don't fit their interpretation of the way the world should be
I didn't know that that it cost $100,000.00 to build a job, but it doesn't surprise me.
I'm not sure where I knew inherently that the 100k cost would generate about a 50 - 60k paycheck....but I suspect the (above) boneheads also may have known that number and asked themselves "how in the hell could it cost 100k to provide a job that pays 50k....what a dumb ass....that means they'd be losing 50k".
To which I would then add for the truly dense....that's because the employer expects to pull out of his 100k (that you get 50k for) 225k.
(Dat be how he make da money).
Archer, I've read your stuff before...you're very knowledgeable about finance, economies, the way money and markets work....but trying to explain any of the above to people who've never stuck their toe in any water colder than lukewarm....you're pushing a rope uphill bud.
(I gave up trying to explain the concept of money and markets to most of these people years ago).
a)
I most certainly do understand the logic. Its a worst case scenario. If you want to include the janitor who cleans the toilets, the accountant who writes the employees checks, the rent or space the employee occupies, stock options, etc etc I suppose that the number can be jacked up to 100k for a 50k employee.
Of course its accounting bullshit but thats besides the point.
b)
Well lets see now. I have been in biz as in owned, managed or call it what you like run a, read; my company since 1984 do I qualify?
c)
Thats right. They do not fit this constitutional republic as it should be!
I have read archers stuff too and find it short sited to the extreme.
His massive strike to the economy by interupting these large corps is nothing more than a temporary rocking of the boat.
Call it an investment for a better life for society.
Large corporations have devasted many mom and pop businesses as mom and pop businesses cannot run as tight of a margin as these large corps can and the corps only run that margin long enough to clear the competittion get established and then prices go up, services and selection go down.
Kiss startup companies goodbye because they simply cannot afford to compete.
This was realized by the framers hence corporations were considered privileged as a result and hence they were slotted to pay WAR TAXES not the public, with exception to an emergency bankrupting situation where the public was to be asked to voluntarily donate to a war effort.
Corporations had sunsets that had to be renewed and they could be revoked for any violation of their charter.
(That was before 1886 before the crooked supreme court gave corporations "PERSONHOOD", a straw man carrying the same rights as a man of flesh)
The reason corporations were st up like this is that they were not allowed to donate money to any candidates champaign for the very reasons and problems we have now!!!
We live in a corporatocracy somewhere between fascism and socialism.
The corporations have taken over this country and they should be left to go out of business if they fuck up just like me or any other.
Archers approach is that the world will fall apart should we rock the coporate boat and thats just plain short sited.
So here is the plan;
1) Remove the corporate personhood. (no more donating to champaigns by default)
2) Reinstate the corporate charters.
3) Break up conglomerates.
4) Break up monopolies including the money monopoly of the federal reserve corporation.
Do this over a period of time. As holes develope and there is a NEED people will start private businesses to fill that need. Get back to corporate taxation for the privilege of being a corporation and if they fuck up then they are out of here. Put em up for sale there will always be buyers.
This will not only return the government to the people but inspire more mom and pop businesses to spring up and spread that wealth to more people.
Thanks for the lesson griz.
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