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RE: The Golden Rule - 1/22/2008 7:28:31 PM   
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Seems like this issue is possibly more about your own insecurity or greed than a problem with her submission, however she could be more subtle with her response, that does sound a bit bratty.

Something i try to remember for myself in relationships is to focus on what is working, in your case Dominance- if you are fighting for control over aspects that she is not willing or ready to submit, you could be damaging the aspects that you do have Dominance over and defeating trust. This could start a conflict ladder of control and defiance, that could leave you both frustrated and angry, or her recognizing where you feel a lack of control... do you want to expose that? It would be far better to display where you are in control, emphasize and be consistent with that. Dominance is something that is inheritantly you, and possibly you are still finding your power, or your submissive, one that can be shaped how you want and suits your needs.


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RE: The Golden Rule - 1/22/2008 9:49:24 PM   
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The issue here has nothing to do with money and you making it so is just a distraction and something to try and give yourself a ledge to hold onto.

Either she is under your authority or she isn't.  Either you create good dynamics or you don't.  Figure out where the source of the problem really is and work on that together.

For the money- you should pat her on the head, call her a good girl, make sure she's planning effectively for the future and be proud to have such a wonderful asset in your life.

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RE: The Golden Rule - 1/22/2008 10:01:54 PM   
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greetings jakk,

in our case, he is the one who is more well-off - i am putting myself through school and also have tons of medical bills, so usually he ends up paying for things (although i am very tetchy about him giving me money and such). it's not really an issue for us, though - he has control over my finances, although for the most part he lets me handle it because i've been doing it for longer than we've been together.  in the future he will probably be exercising his control more, but for right now this works for us.

in your case, it depends on the relationship, i think. if you are supposed to have control over the finances, it wouldn't matter (at least for us) who made the money. if i was still doing freelance webdesign full time i'd probably be much more well off. it doesn't matter - he'd still control whatever he wants to control of that, and being that he is very minimalist, and i am trying to be, that means that just because i make it doesn't mean i get to spend frivolously. in our case, if i became defiant, it would be a matter of his way or the highway - he has the final say, and that is it. if i don't want to abide by that, then i am no longer his slave. that's how it works.

then again, if she did not expect that to be under your control and it wasn't discussed, of course finances should stay separate. plenty of couples work it that way and it works for them. if it becomes a source of pride (in a negative sense) or defiance for her, though, and affects her submission, then that creates other issues.

i think the biggest thing is getting over the idea that the person who has the money is the one in charge. my master and i both are not attached to money or to living a rich lifestyle - as long as we have what we need, we are happy, and it's not a big issue to us who is providing the money. since he has more money now and i need the help, he helps me out when he can by paying for stuff related to things he's required of me (he wanted me to get a perm and he is also partially responsible for my tattoo choices, so he's helped pay for those, he pays for expenses when we go out, for toys, that sort of thing). in 15 years, he will be living off of retirement and i may be making more money, so then maybe i will get to return some of the generosity he has shown me. for the most part, though, there is no concept of anyone owing anyone anything. i'm property, therefore my property is also his property. getting over social convention and ideas of "mine" and "yours" and "owing" has been a journey for me (in terms of being able to accept his help and also his control) and i think it is an interesting journey for anyone who faces these issues in their relationship.

but from reading your post, it seems that the issue here is more "how do you control something that doesn't want to be controlled." and that goes back to what i was saying earlier. it's fine to have difficulties with submission, but willful disobedience can only be chalked up to that to a point. in our case, he is not interested in forcing anyone to submit or taming anyone or doing any of that. i choose to submit to him. it seems that a discussion may be in order for you two on whether she wishes to make that choice fully, and if there are any issues you can help with that may be causing some of these problems.

respectfully,
annabelle.

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RE: The Golden Rule - 1/23/2008 12:16:59 AM   
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quote:

I try and dominate and regain control but how do you control something that does not want to be controled?


By having and being something she craves more than money.

I am curious, how well do you handle your OWN finances?

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RE: The Golden Rule - 1/23/2008 12:23:46 AM   
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i must admit that i'm more than disappointed to find out this thread is about money..... i'm currently unemployed and looking (desperately ) for a job.......The most recent jobs i've been applying for i have the potential to make substantially more than He does...Do i care? No!!! Does He care??? No!!! In fact the only time money's even an issue for us is when i'm whining (Yes...There it is...The ugly truth...Damn it!! My name's Kali and i'm a whiner!!) about stress from all my bills....
i think SimplyMichael has a point....He inspires me with the way He handles His money....
could just be me though.


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RE: The Golden Rule - 1/23/2008 4:06:53 AM   
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quote:

  
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I try and dominate and regain control but how do you control something that does not want to be controled?



By having and being something she craves more than money

Damn..that's good. i think we're done here folks....next thread!!!   Really though, great advice... it's that simple.  The Dominant partner should inspire that kind of pull...it's more than money, sex, or social standing...it's feeding into the submissives need to submit, and belong.  Of course, i think a certain level of intellegence and Self-Mastery is is required...i can handle a Dom that makes less money...but if i feel a Dom isn't an intellectual, articulate, or in control of Himself...it couldn't work, no matter how hard either of us tried.  Maybe it's more than money for his sub...but he projects the financial thing as the main problem.

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RE: The Golden Rule - 1/23/2008 4:42:29 AM   
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He doesnt care. The OP never came back.

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RE: The Golden Rule - 1/23/2008 4:45:20 AM   
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How do I react when she says "i made it i can spend it how she want."

Show her the door and tell her  have fun spending it.

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RE: The Golden Rule - 1/23/2008 4:47:03 AM   
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  i'm disgusted...on a good note, morning luscious hugggss!!! 

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RE: The Golden Rule - 1/23/2008 6:18:38 AM   
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Are you a C.P.A. or a financial advisor? Perhaps a bank lending officer? What kind of financial expertise do you have that qualifies you to handle her money?

Because at 25, the odds are that you haven't any. And by not recognizing that fact, but wanting to control her because you feel inferior, you have made yourself someone she cannot respect fully.

Does she even need someone to manage her money? Is she in debt? Does she have any savings? Is she putting money aside monthly?

You would show to better advantage if you could prove she wasn't qualified to handle it, and then found a financial advisor for her who is. Right now, you just seem insecure. Doing it the proper way would show you really wanted the best for her.

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RE: The Golden Rule - 1/24/2008 11:55:08 AM   
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hehe doesnt it say somewhere that the golden rule is who ever has the gold makes the rules??  (just kidding)

Is it that she is being wreckless with her earnings or is it the fact that she has more to play with than you do?
Maybe its not her defiance that is the problem but the fact that it means she wont be completely dependant on you? (obviously things have changed these days and its not practical and what not but a slave "should" be dependant on her Master and because of her earnings she isnt?)

Just some thoughts.

Claire

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RE: The Golden Rule - 1/24/2008 12:44:18 PM   
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The Golden Rule: He who has the gold makes the rules.

I am having a problem.  I have a submissive that makes more money then i do... a lot more. she has the ability and has in the past made as much in one month then I make in a year.  How do I react when she says "i made it i can spend it how she want."  Logicly and reasonably that is true.  I just dont know what to do.  punishment? ignore it and let it pass?  I am told patience is key.  she is a relitivly new sub but her defience is speratic yet very strong.   I try and dominate and regain control but how do you control something that does not want to be controled?





Are you 2 "just"  Dom/sub, or is the relation deeper?


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RE: The Golden Rule - 1/24/2008 5:03:57 PM   
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First, i wouldn't say that he isn't ambitious enough, i would saythat if something doesn't want tobe controlled how can it be submissive? Submission is given, not forced, IMO anyway.

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RE: The Golden Rule - 1/25/2008 3:28:48 AM   
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First, i wouldn't say that he isn't ambitious enough, i would saythat if something doesn't want tobe controlled how can it be submissive? Submission is given, not forced, IMO anyway.


IMO dito, has to come from both sides


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RE: The Golden Rule - 2/5/2008 12:37:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19


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She should get a more ambitious Dom.


Ouch.
I'm not sure i think that ambition is the issue here. Did you negotiate what would happen with your finances before you began  your D/s relationship? In my experience, not every Dominant has control over his partner's bank account.
If this has not been negotiated, no, I don't think you can punish her - as for ignoring it - if it makes you unhappy and you feel like its a part of your lives that you would like some control over, then I can only suggest you discuss it further with her.Patience, is, quite often the key.

I do disagree on your point that the one who has the most money has the control in the relationship.If you are the Dominant then you *should* have control, no matter what the financial situation is. Maybe you could ask yourself if you need to control her chequebook in order to feel control of her if there are any issues in your ability to dominate her successfully. Also, when you ask how to control 'something' that does not want to be controlled? Well, you can't.

How she spends her money and whether she truly wishes to submit to you are not necessarily related issues. But I think you need to talk to her seriously about it.





Well he doesnt appear to be more experienced than her and he doesnt seem to know how to control, so he does not seem like Dom material. maybe she has no respect? His post/ "I just dont know what to do". I find this annoying and whiny. he could never Dom me. Sorry it the truth.


Yeah never, cose this one post is such a full bodied view of exactly who and what type of man he is, I mean I feel like we r best friends and I know everything about him just from that one post....it really is amazing. (heavy sarcasm)

Get over urself. stop judging.

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RE: The Golden Rule - 2/5/2008 1:35:44 AM   
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Oddly, your post is judgemental by telling her to get over herself, or "urself" as you put it.

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RE: The Golden Rule - 2/5/2008 1:59:13 AM   
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she prolly still a sub but doesnt want someone else handling her finances just like me. i wouldnt give my bank card to anyone. then again i dont have problems handling my own money i have had the money in my account since dec.i am not one of those spenders. that prolly why she a sub cause she knows she cant give up all the way.

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RE: The Golden Rule - 2/5/2008 4:25:33 AM   
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I think it's interesting to see the sheer diversity here over something that seems like a simple issue, in the end. It's been attacked from all sides and angles, and I think the only thing everyone really agrees on is that he doesn't have the situation under control, in whatever light that may be. So regardless if the OP comes back or not, it's been an interesting thread for me. No doubt he's probably read it and probably gone emo from being called un-ambitious ;)
To me, it sounded like his problem was that she was submissive before the money, and after she got more than him, then she's finding she wants something better, and now he's clinging to her. he needs to let her go and move on, IMO. Sounds like a pretty unhealthy relationship from any angle.

As for us, she makes a lot more than me. Then again, I'm in school again. She loves being able to provide for that, and I do control our finances (or all we'd have is shoes :P). But I know several people, even vanillas, who keep their finances separate, and get along just fine that way. I know it's not personally for me, but it'd be hippocritical to say the way they're doing it is wrong, when I'm certainly not acting the norm, just by being here ;)

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RE: The Golden Rule - 2/5/2008 5:45:24 AM   
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The Golden Rule: He who has the gold makes the rules.

I am having a problem.  I have a submissive that makes more money then i do... a lot more. she has the ability and has in the past made as much in one month then I make in a year.  How do I react when she says "i made it i can spend it how she want."  Logicly and reasonably that is true.  I just dont know what to do.  punishment? ignore it and let it pass?  I am told patience is key.  she is a relitivly new sub but her defience is speratic yet very strong.   I try and dominate and regain control but how do you control something that does not want to be controled?

Jakk,
I think this last sentence really says a lot.  In my opinion, you can't "control something that does not want to be controlled."  This issue with money is probably just one of many.  I am in a very committed, 24/7 TPE relationship with Master.  Since I have moved to AR to be with Him, I have gotten a great job and now bring home bigger paychecks than He does.  Since it was our understanding from the beginning that He would be in ultimate control of all finances (however big or small), this really only has one effect.  It just makes us both happier that I contribute lots of money for Him to use as He will.  Fortunately for both of us, He exercises good judgment and control in His usage of all the money we both earn.

The amount of money involved is really irrelevant and I would urge you to dismiss the foolish notion that how much you earn has anything to do with your ability to be a "good" dominant or your level of ambition.  That's short-sighted, gold-digger talk in my opinion.  The focus shouldn't be who contributes how much but the fact that she obviously (from what little you've shared) doesn't feel that you are to be in control of any of it.  I would think a good, straightforward heart-to-heart would be able to help you determine just what she does want and then you'll have your choices to make.  Best of luck................luci



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RE: The Golden Rule - 2/5/2008 9:55:40 AM   
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Ok, i have been watching this thread since Sir posted it. i make more money than Him, He lives in my home, and i pay all of the bills, i am also 5 years His senior. He has a job, but i make what He makes in a year, in a month at times. So, i control the finances as my job is in the Financial Industry. He controls His money i control mine. W/we have settled it at that. Now, in the beginning i thought it would be nice to have someone else take care of that stuff, but i know now that had i allowed it, the bills would have been forgotten about and my credit nailed. He is not the best at remembering things, hence, i am the one to remember important things and dates. It is not a question of letting go and giving everything up to Him, it is the fact that He simply has a poor memory and i am more adept at handling my own money as i know what has to be done with it and how much it costs. He has made it clear that He feels inadequate because of the above mentioned reasons (i make more money, my house, mine mine mine, lol) i share my home with Him because i want to and i enjoy Him. i cannot change what i do and who i am regarding this portion of my life. Should things go south with U/us i still have to pay my bills and go to work. Regardless of whether He is here or not, my life must go on. He hasnt the right to take away my livelyhood unless He plans on taking care of me fully, in which He cant at this time. Does any of this make sense? i am not trying to top Him, i enjoy serving Him, its when W/we both seem content. i just wanted to put forth my feelings on this so it wasnt one sided and so He wouldnt be completely attacked anymore.

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