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brainiacsub -> RE: Master and pet banned from the bus (1/26/2008 8:13:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: Idiot may have been too strong a word, but the sentiment still stands. They are young, self centered, provoking, lacking in empathy for others(with regards to this issue), have a sense of entitlement, and behave foolishly. But these are not necessarily bad things for their age. Who among us did not have at least some of those qualities when we were their age. But, as agents of social change, who would ever listen to them? Wow. You learned all that about them from one single article? Your powers of perception astound. I did not realize you had such intimate knowledge of them as individuals. Wow. I was only commenting on their behavior in the context of this one particular incident. We are all judged all the time by our behavior. They are no different.

AquaticSub -> RE: Master and pet banned from the bus (1/27/2008 5:05:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: brainiacsub quote: 1) If one of my vanilla friends wore a collar and leash because it appealed to them as an accessory and they were treated the same, would they also be idiots exposing the public to a kink? If not, why is it impossible for us to also wear these items as a fashion accessory? I have already answered this in response to GreedyTop. Again, I am not so certain this couple would have drawn the ire of the bus driver if the leash had been dangling from her neck as opposed to being led like an animal (in the publics view, not mine). My friends don't always have the leash simply dangling - sometimese others do lead them. For them it's just fun and a joke. The idea that us doing it is a rude and forcing our kink on others makes no sense to me if a vanilla girl is allowed to do the same thing - just as long as she doesn't have any other meaning attached to the leash and collar. quote: quote: 2) For various reasons (none including anything so interesting as making a statement), I recently dyed my hair an unnatural color. That makes me different from the social norms, at least around here. I used to have a lot of piercings. If the sight of these things offends someone, should I be kept off a bus and called freak? I mean, if the logic here is that "different from the norm means you deserve what you get"... That is not the logic I argued. It's not about what you deserve, it's about anticipating consequences (again, see my response to Darcy). But, bizarre hair color and piercings are not so outside the norm in most metropolitan areas. You may be denied service in Quitman, Ms if you tried to board a bus there. Again, right or wrong, it is a consequence you accept when you step so outside the social norm as to make others feel uncomfortable or threatened. Accepting the consequences of social norms isn't always a good thing. We know this for a fact - the social norms of colored and white bathrooms shouldn't have been accepted. The social norms of a woman having to wear a skirt so many inches below her knees or getting in trouble at her college shouldn't have been accepted. When my mother was in college, she would get in serious trouble if she wore pants without a picnic basket in her hand, it couldn't be two feet away, it had to be in her hand, wearing a skirt too short or being out too late. I'd like to think we know better now. What magically makes things so different than a woman wearing pants in a time where that wasn't the social norm?

GreedyTop -> RE: Master and pet banned from the bus (1/27/2008 5:27:25 PM)
quote: Accepting the consequences of social norms isn't always a good thing. We know this for a fact - the social norms of colored and white bathrooms shouldn't have been accepted. The social norms of a woman having to wear a skirt so many inches below her knees or getting in trouble at her college shouldn't have been accepted. When my mother was in college, she would get in serious trouble if she wore pants without a picnic basket in her hand, it couldn't be two feet away, it had to be in her hand, wearing a skirt too short or being out too late. I'd like to think we know better now. What magically makes things so different than a woman wearing pants in a time where that wasn't the social norm? Both my folks were in the USAF..both officers (of differing ranks, but still). Mom got knocked up (AFTER they had publicly announced their engagement) with me. MOM got booted out of the USAF (ok, not dishonorably, but STILL) because they werent married yet. Perfectly acceptable at the time. Now look.. it's not uncommon for unmarried military women to be given military leave, and resume duties at the proper time. OK, so the no fraternizing with enlisted thing still holds true, but still... ok, this might be a sucky analogy, but I've had a few drinks.. my point is that Aquatic is making a good point :) LOL Ok, someone take the keyboard away from me now..LOL

brainiacsub -> RE: Master and pet banned from the bus (1/27/2008 7:05:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub My friends don't always have the leash simply dangling - sometimese others do lead them. For them it's just fun and a joke. The idea that us doing it is a rude and forcing our kink on others makes no sense to me if a vanilla girl is allowed to do the same thing - just as long as she doesn't have any other meaning attached to the leash and collar. The problem with this argument is that the public doesn't know what your intentions are, or who is vanilla and who is not. All they see are two people behaving like animals. Some may see it as a joke, and some may not. As Dr. Phil would say, "Choose the behavior, choose the consequences." quote: Accepting the consequences of social norms isn't always a good thing. We know this for a fact - the social norms of colored and white bathrooms shouldn't have been accepted. The social norms of a woman having to wear a skirt so many inches below her knees or getting in trouble at her college shouldn't have been accepted. When my mother was in college, she would get in serious trouble if she wore pants without a picnic basket in her hand, it couldn't be two feet away, it had to be in her hand, wearing a skirt too short or being out too late. I'd like to think we know better now. What magically makes things so different than a woman wearing pants in a time where that wasn't the social norm? I agree with you. I have stated a couple of times already (I know this thread has gotten long and it's tedious to read through it) that I don't know if this behavior should be acceptable. My feelings are mixed. But the way to effect social change is through education and activism.

AquaticSub -> RE: Master and pet banned from the bus (1/27/2008 7:13:27 PM)
Right. And part of activism is going ahead and doing it and having being supported - not having people go "Well, you defied social norms. Deal with it". And it doesn't matter if the public knows or not - like the example with women wearing pants. It didn't matter if you intended to go on a picnic and where just heading over to your friend's room. What mattered is that you were wearing pants. It was ludicious then, and I don't see much difference now. What got that rule changed were people standing up and going "This is nuts, they aren't doing anything wrong", not "Well, you defied social standards and when you do that you have to deal with the fallout".

PrizedPosession -> RE: Master and pet banned from the bus (1/27/2008 7:16:12 PM)
i completely agree with aquatic... plus i find Dr.Phil to be irritating[:D]

brainiacsub -> RE: Master and pet banned from the bus (1/27/2008 8:30:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PrizedPosession i completely agree with aquatic... plus i find Dr.Phil to be irritating[:D] Oh, believe me, I find him irritating as well. But, I am not above accepting that people who irritate me are occasionally right.

PrizedPosession -> RE: Master and pet banned from the bus (1/27/2008 8:46:20 PM)
True it's good to get different opinions...anyway i don't want Mod 11 to think we are hijacking [:D] so -tips hat- good day to you Ma'am

celticlord2112 -> RE: Master and pet banned from the bus (1/27/2008 9:18:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: brainiacsub quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: Idiot may have been too strong a word, but the sentiment still stands. They are young, self centered, provoking, lacking in empathy for others(with regards to this issue), have a sense of entitlement, and behave foolishly. But these are not necessarily bad things for their age. Who among us did not have at least some of those qualities when we were their age. But, as agents of social change, who would ever listen to them? Wow. You learned all that about them from one single article? Your powers of perception astound. I did not realize you had such intimate knowledge of them as individuals. Wow. I was only commenting on their behavior in the context of this one particular incident. We are all judged all the time by our behavior. They are no different. Indeed.... Our behavior and attitudes towards others speaks volumes. More than we often realize.

CrimsonMoan -> RE: Master and pet banned from the bus (1/28/2008 8:04:55 AM)
Ok I skipped severeal pages of this and am only gonna drop my 2 cents on the article mostly. when i first read it I was like oh you have to be kidding me. The only that upset me more than the bus driver's words was the fact the company covered for this by saying the driver was concerned for the sub's saftey. AS IF. Now I can fully understand nto having the leash attached if the bus is in motion and so forth, but that was not how the driver put themselves out there. Now all that being said as far as forcing my kinky on anyone, I used to have a bright red collar that I wore on a regular basis. This was not one of those 'subtle' collars as it had a big O ring attached to the front. I have wore it around vegas and Portland and never got treated any differently. If I got stares I would never know if it were the collar, my outfit which depending on the day and my mood might have been my black corset and my bondage pants, or my hair which has been blue, purple, red and bronze. Now have I ever been walked around on a leash outside of say home or a sceene party? Only once and that was on a dare. A few people gave us looks but that was only becuse I was taller than my walker. I also agree with what has been said above me about the fact that Vanillia people don't get accused of forcing their kink on anyone when they do stuff like this in fun. As far as I'm concerned as long as you're not walking around with your fun bits exposed or anything that could hurt you if you were to say trip on the side walk, go for it.

DedicatedDom40 -> RE: Master and pet banned from the bus (1/29/2008 6:10:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Emperor1956 Living in subsidized housing and on welfare. Frankly unnecessary gratuitous information which I suspect was put there to demean the couple. E But ask yourself why they are in that predicament? Is this "lifestyle" loaded with people who lean towards that predicament? It we want greater acceptance of what we do, we cannot be financial leeches that others support. I have no problem with people expressing themsevles. But when their expression causes them to ELECTIVELY not function in society and I have to pay for it, your damn right it needs to stop.

SilkLaceNPearls -> RE: Master and pet banned from the bus (1/29/2008 8:15:41 PM)
Often prejudice is so well buried we dont notice even in ourselves. Next time you see someone looking differently from you all ~ be it goth, or "slutty" or what have you listen to what your inner dialouge says. If the "slutty" one gets an "she is just askin' for it" bap yourself up side the head and try to correct yourself. If the goth gets a " they must not have jobs, blah blah blah losers" bap yourself up side the head and really think if you would like people making snap decisions on how you look. I will never forget a trip I took to the mall with my then 16 yr old daughter a few years ago. She was very much into the Goth look. She had the black lipstick, the heavily black rimmed and mascaraed eyes, black fingernail polish, the dog collar, baggie black jeans with more hardware than a hardware store. She was a sight to behold. We were in the mall near some kiosk. I was a few feet away and it was not obvious I was with her when I overheard these two women talking disparagingly about my daughter, wondering how any mother could allow her child to go out looking like that. I calmly walked but firmly walked over and informed them that my child was a straight A student, never broke her curfew, was always in by 10 PM on a weeknight, and by midnight on weekends, participated in numerous extracurricular activities, helped care for her younger brother, ran errands for her elderly grandmonther, attended church faithfully and as far as I knew did not engage in smoking, drugs, alcohol or sex so if for some unknown reason she felt a need to express herself by dressing in that mode of clothing, then so be it. I didn't have any problem with it and neither should they.Their mouths dropped open like I had some nerve talking to them like but I didn't care. They were prejudging someone they didn't even know based on their looks and that doesn't sit well with me. Grrrrrrrr.

MisPandora -> RE: Master and pet banned from the bus (1/29/2008 8:52:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy quote: ORIGINAL: Th3AbbyNormal well, after reading this im somewhat saddened, little confused and wondering what the big deal was all about. she was one a leash, why is that so hard for the bus driver guy to understand. whenever im out in public with my husband i am on a leash. yes it gets attention, it gets comments and for the most part there hasnt been any negitive reactions, aside from one guy who actually tried to unlock the collar and remove the leash because it didnt fit into how he though a woman should be treated. are we wrong for doing this? i dont think so. its not sexual in any and we arnt hurting anyone, like so many of the other posters have said, its like holding hands. nothing more. I'm sorry, if you view walking around an adult woman on a leash as the equivalent as "holding hands" then I would imafine that Gor is just another planet in the solar system.....Common sense. People. Common sense. This is the bigger point to this argument, were these two kids actually BDSM practitioners deliberately exposing their proclivities to the vanillas. (But it's not.) The bigger picture is that we seem to have a growing faction of folks who practice this lifestyle who have totally forgotten life before kink and life outside of kink, who no longer give a second thought to living life "out and proud" as a kinkster regardless of who they might expose or offend. Again, I find myself saying that perhaps it's my getting old and conservative, but I find this a wee bit disconcerting. Part of me misses 10-15 years ago when parties were private, underground, invite only.....where even events were less "fling the door open and entertain the ignorant masses" and more "these people are high up enough on the food chain to figure out where and who we are....they must be worth their salt!" It'll never go back to being the way it was though......

AquaticSub -> RE: Master and pet banned from the bus (1/29/2008 9:45:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MisPandora This is the bigger point to this argument, were these two kids actually BDSM practitioners deliberately exposing their proclivities to the vanillas. (But it's not.) The bigger picture is that we seem to have a growing faction of folks who practice this lifestyle who have totally forgotten life before kink and life outside of kink, who no longer give a second thought to living life "out and proud" as a kinkster regardless of who they might expose or offend. Again, I find myself saying that perhaps it's my getting old and conservative, but I find this a wee bit disconcerting. Part of me misses 10-15 years ago when parties were private, underground, invite only.....where even events were less "fling the door open and entertain the ignorant masses" and more "these people are high up enough on the food chain to figure out where and who we are....they must be worth their salt!" It'll never go back to being the way it was though...... And what about for those of us where it isn't kink? My wearing cuffs out out of the house isn't a kink. My panties are dry, I'm not getting a thrill, it's not sexy. It's just something I do, like carry my mousie in my purse. I feel comfortable in them, like an old pair of jeans that fit just right. Why do I have to worry about someone being offended by something I'm doing that has nothing to do with sex or arousal for me when I have to put up with everything they do that offends me? There is a give and take with this. If I have to see those damn shirts with half naked women straddling cannons and those stupid "DIRTY DICK'S HOUSE OF CRABS", I can wear my cuffs in a completely non-sexual manner.

ThunderRoad -> RE: Master and pet banned from the bus (1/30/2008 1:55:22 PM)
ABC News has the story now as well. http://abcnews.go.com/International/Sex/Story?id=4214240

Obedient1nPA -> RE: Master and pet banned from the bus (2/2/2008 8:28:27 AM)
i myself get some pretty disturbingly looks when i wear my collar and handcuff earrings to the grocery store, doctors office, mall, restaurants, PSU etc.. but i just smile and keep stepping. but being banned from the public city bus just because of ones attire that is just straight out wrong, what about the sagging pants-but i guess thats normal..its all about freedom of speech.

Mstrsslave -> RE: Master and pet banned from the bus (2/2/2008 11:42:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub quote: ORIGINAL: MisPandora This is the bigger point to this argument, were these two kids actually BDSM practitioners deliberately exposing their proclivities to the vanillas. (But it's not.) The bigger picture is that we seem to have a growing faction of folks who practice this lifestyle who have totally forgotten life before kink and life outside of kink, who no longer give a second thought to living life "out and proud" as a kinkster regardless of who they might expose or offend. Again, I find myself saying that perhaps it's my getting old and conservative, but I find this a wee bit disconcerting. Part of me misses 10-15 years ago when parties were private, underground, invite only.....where even events were less "fling the door open and entertain the ignorant masses" and more "these people are high up enough on the food chain to figure out where and who we are....they must be worth their salt!" It'll never go back to being the way it was though...... And what about for those of us where it isn't kink? My wearing cuffs out out of the house isn't a kink. My panties are dry, I'm not getting a thrill, it's not sexy. It's just something I do, like carry my mousie in my purse. I feel comfortable in them, like an old pair of jeans that fit just right. Why do I have to worry about someone being offended by something I'm doing that has nothing to do with sex or arousal for me when I have to put up with everything they do that offends me? There is a give and take with this. If I have to see those damn shirts with half naked women straddling cannons and those stupid "DIRTY DICK'S HOUSE OF CRABS", I can wear my cuffs in a completely non-sexual manner. HERE HERE!! I wear wrist cuffs and my collar 24 hours a day..and as a concession to my job I only wear my ankle cuffs during the weekends. But during the weekend they are worn everywhere....and it's not sexual for me either. It's a comfort thing...makes me feel closer to my Master. If people don't like me wearing them they can just go f*ck off. I'm waiting for the day I get refused service due to what hardware I'm wearing.....are they gonna get an earful. mstrsslv

magickbrat -> RE: Master and pet banned from the bus (2/2/2008 12:57:20 PM)
i thougt England was a little more lax than here in the States. I walk arround with my leash everytime Master takes me out. If i had my girl here she would be on a leash when we leave the house. it is totally silly that in todays culture people are having such serious issues with what people wear.

SweetTooth -> RE: Master and pet banned from the bus (2/4/2008 10:42:23 AM)
Frankly, I find their behaviour more normal than a couple making out while riding a bus. They need an apology, the bus driver needs fired, and the people complaining about nonconsent need to calm down. I never consented to see a minor dressed like a slut looking for an orgy, and yet I see them every day at the mall and in other public places. People wonder why there are so many pediphiles around, then buy their minor a miniskirt. So complaining about a girl on a leash is minor compared to what some of us see every day, and really wish we hadn't. It would be interesting to find out what eventually happens to this story, but like many of them I am sure we will never know.

PinkDice -> RE: Master and pet banned from the bus (2/16/2008 12:59:21 PM)
I am not going to express how I feel about the bus driver's actions, or their possibly having forced their kink upon other people, or whether they are being petty in trying to stretch the social norm. Opinions very similar to my two cents have been expressed, shredded, and then stitched back together again over and over. That being said... The thing I found to be most appalling about this article is the comment section. The article makes small notes both about them being on subsidized housing and her being a musical technology student, yet the fact that the government is supporting them is the only thing focused upon. For all we know, they could have perfectly valid disabilities. It wouldn't be a far stretch to assume he is a student as well, they did say she doesn't go anywhere without him (or something similar). Furthermore, she has made an effort to become educated in a field that will probably be more accepting of her lifestyle than most and still offer employment regardless of how she chooses to present herself. I am a student here in the US and I am literally drowning under the mountain of schoolwork combined with my job. It would be awesome if I had the option of focusing solely on my education. :) I feel embarassed that there are those who would make the assumption that because they are different, they have nothing to contribute to society and even if they did they would choose not to. I would also like it noted that she looks really hot on that leash. That photo has me lusty in all the right places. :)

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