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RE: Missouri must allow inmates abortions - 1/23/2008 5:37:52 PM   
kittinSol


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prejustice / noun (from latin justitia or justus) - an improved form of prejudice where the bigot is clearly and demonstrably right about his broad generalisations or groundless assumptions, based on race, ethnicity, religion or other arbitrary category.



You forgot gender, Zensee. I believe gender is a major source of prejustice in this particular case.

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RE: Missouri must allow inmates abortions - 1/23/2008 5:40:39 PM   
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Is it a sport to give poor CL a headache with this nonsense?

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RE: Missouri must allow inmates abortions - 1/23/2008 5:46:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

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ORIGINAL: Zensee

prejustice / noun (from latin justitia or justus) - an improved form of prejudice where the bigot is clearly and demonstrably right about his broad generalisations or groundless assumptions, based on race, ethnicity, religion or other arbitrary category.



You forgot gender, Zensee. I believe gender is a major source of prejustice in this particular case.


Quite! Good spotting, kittinSol. I'll include that in my citation to the OED.

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RE: Missouri must allow inmates abortions - 1/23/2008 5:47:29 PM   
kittinSol


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Status: offline 		Hmmmm... I find this whole thing really amusing, CL. You're a proponent of prejudice, yet when you feel you may be a subject of it, you get a headache? 

I've no prejudice against you. However, after reading many posts by you where your prejudice is apparent, I have now formed an opinion about you. It's an informed opinion: it's the opposite of prejudice.

Et voila!

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RE: Missouri must allow inmates abortions - 1/23/2008 5:52:19 PM   
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It's an informed opinion: it's the opposite of prejudice.


Ah.  So knowing I'm against abortion justifies your view on me.

However, knowing that someone was found guilty of a felony by a jury of their peers isn't enough justification make the assumption that they probably didsomething wrong.

Thanks for explaining.



Do you not realize how broken your logic is?

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RE: Missouri must allow inmates abortions - 1/23/2008 6:01:54 PM   
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I think that, in my time here, I've spent somewhere between twenty and fourty posts explaining the English language to you.  Kinda bored of it, Zensee.  And I'd to avoid dignifying the bickering quality of the post.

Peace 'n such.


Yeah and it sorta looks like all my time was wasted. Lucky for you I never get bored reminding you when you are playing fast and loose with language. Your college education isn't doing the job. CL, really, you have nothing to "explain" to me about the English language, other than how not to missues it.

Bickering? I offered a definition for your new word. Take it or leave it, that's more than you've done. I'd call what am doing  "backering" - it's a new word which means assisting another person while having fun at the expense of their ego.


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RE: Missouri must allow inmates abortions - 1/23/2008 6:05:14 PM   
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It's an informed opinion: it's the opposite of prejudice.


Ah.  So knowing I'm against abortion justifies your view on me.



Absolutely not; my opinion of you stems from the things you have written on these boards over the last few months. What you wrote above implies I had an opinion of you before you disclosed your views on abortion: you're not that famous that I heard about you before you joined the boards.

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RE: Missouri must allow inmates abortions - 1/23/2008 6:07:29 PM   
CuriousLord


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Status: offline 		Wait, wait.  I thought you went to college?  Did you drop out or just not take an English class?

Have you never heard an English professor explain that the reason they teach the English form so stingently in the lower level is so people are aware of them and able to use them.. but that writers often go beyond that?

You really confuse me.  I often don't know if you're really uninformed or if you're purposefully being silly.

PS-  I'm going to dinner to test the Pie Day bit (and to eat), so I guess I'll get to see later.  But, please, not something else stupid.  =/

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RE: Missouri must allow inmates abortions - 1/23/2008 6:08:42 PM   
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Absolutely not; my opinion of you stems from the things you have written on these boards over the last few months. What you wrote above implies I had an opinion of you before you disclosed your views on abortion: you're not that famous that I heard about you before you joined the boards.


I see.  Well, if this is true.. I must've said some sexist things.  Mind elaborating?

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RE: Missouri must allow inmates abortions - 1/23/2008 6:13:10 PM   
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RE: Missouri must allow inmates abortions - 1/23/2008 6:33:14 PM   
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Wait, wait.  I thought you went to college?  Did you drop out or just not take an English class?

Have you never heard an English professor explain that the reason they teach the English form so stingently in the lower level is so people are aware of them and able to use them.. but that writers often go beyond that?

You really confuse me.  I often don't know if you're really uninformed or if you're purposefully being silly.

PS-  I'm going to dinner to test the Pie Day bit (and to eat), so I guess I'll get to see later.  But, please, not something else stupid.  =/


Instead of calling me silly, why don't you tell us all what "prejustice" means.

I'm not the one making things up as I go along here.


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RE: Missouri must allow inmates abortions - 1/23/2008 6:36:40 PM   
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No - I think everybody's had enough of this sterile argument.


Hah, nice.  ;)  Troll me 'til I ask you for a reason you're calling me sexist, and it's full stop!

If only other things in life were so easy!  :)

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RE: Missouri must allow inmates abortions - 1/23/2008 6:37:27 PM   
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RE: Missouri must allow inmates abortions - 1/23/2008 6:46:31 PM   
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I'm not the one making things up as I go along here.


Right.  ;)

So, just what English classes did you take back in college?  Not to pick on you, but you did bring up my college education with regards to English, I think?  Too lazy to check, but I can if it's not agreed on.  I do believe you mentioned something along the lines of me not knowing something that I should've from college.  Only.. the irony comes in that I'm starting to think you never went, or maybe it's lost to age and drink?

Even though I'm sure you'll use it to avoid the bit above, I really question if you understand how words work.  If you understand the living and cextual nature.  From how you talk so often (and how you abuse large fonts..), it seems to me that you think words carry static, universal definitions.

I have a lot of explaining to do if so.  =/

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RE: Missouri must allow inmates abortions - 1/23/2008 6:51:16 PM   
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You may have the last word  .


The "last word" sentiment's hardly so noble when you're walking away instead of admitting to having made an unfounded insult.

Whatever, I guess.  Yay for the last word.

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RE: Missouri must allow inmates abortions - 1/23/2008 8:14:52 PM   
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Maybe im an asshole for suggesting it... but what kind of parent is a prison inmate gonna be anyway? I mean if someone is in prison for, lets say knocking over a liquor store and killing 5 people, do you really think they might win "Mommy of the year"?


It's not every case, but pregnancy has made some decide to walk the straight and narrow from now on.

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RE: Missouri must allow inmates abortions - 1/23/2008 11:51:58 PM   
Zensee


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Status: offline 		Why should it matter what my education is? What sort of impertinent, elitist query is that? Maybe I have a degree in ditch dogging from MIT. Who cares?

The easiest way to demonstrate your verbal superiority would be to provide a better definition for prejustice than mine, CL. I didn't make that one up, remember ("or maybe it's lost to age and drink? ").

 - - - And while you are at it how about a credible citation for the word "cextual". - - -

Sure language is dynamic and evolving but it doesn't vomit new lexicons simply because some college guy on a chat forum pulls a new arrangement of letters out of his... wherever, in a vain hope of bamboozling someone.


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RE: Missouri must allow inmates abortions - 1/24/2008 12:10:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ah, it's okay.  Just curious about your education because I thought you went to college, and they probably would've explained this stuff to you better than I can (or, to be blunt, willing to do) here in a quick post.

First of all, "prejustice" is basically "prejudice".  I just like the idea of it being "pre-justice", or false justice enforced upon others before even knowing them, so I just spell it like that.  Nothing tricky.. I'm hoping you guessed that from the start.  It's probably my most transparent, consistent thing of this sort.

Actually defining it, though, would be silly.. which you don't seem to get.  It's an idea I'm referring to, invoking it by the approximate term "preju[d]ice", not some crude definition recorded in some book of many vague, crude definitions.  The fact you're so often concerned with the dictionary is basically what made me think you didn't have a decent higher education.  (To be honest.)

But, anyhow, are you unable to pick up on the definition from context?  (Yeah, "cextual" was a typo'd "contextual".. for some reason, the "ont" letters got left out.  I'm not sure if you take joy in typo's, or if you're actually silly enough to be unable to tell that's a typo.  I suppose your opinion on it isn't really relevant, though, so moving on..)

I'm referring to a "preju[d]ice" as being a preconceived notion of a person's nature based on only limitted knowledge of them.  Some prejustices, such as black people generally being inferior, are ill conceived.  Others, such as larger objects generally being heavier, have a great deal of truth to them.  However, even very large objects (such as a floating blimp) can be lighter than much smaller objects (such as a pebble).

In this case, the prejustice was that people who go to prison are typically prone to lower moral standards.  As mine are rather high, this causes many of them to be considered as "monsters".


I do hope that this isn't beyond you.  I guess we'll see when you either spam or apologize for this asinine manner you've taken to.
It's not the ignorance that bothers me so much.  It's the way you worked with it.

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RE: Missouri must allow inmates abortions - 1/24/2008 12:55:08 AM   
Zensee


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Status: offline 		Excuse me, my Lord, but I didn't call you a stupid, drunken old fart in the forums, so don't take an instructive, condescending tone with me, OK?

Spam is unwanted advertising FYI and no, I have no intention of apologising for anything I have said here.

Using a dictionary is not evidence of an incomplete education (there you are with that elitist crap again). Making words up on the other hand...

"Cextual" does return citations in google but they seem to be gibberish. I was curious which one you had adapted for your personal lexicon. How was I to know it was a typo given your predilection for invention? I don't have a college education! (maybe)

Of course I am capable of inferring meaning from context. If you read the explanation of my own definition for "prejustice" that would be plainly obvious.

Thanks for finally telling us that prejustice means basically same thing as prejudice - as we suspected all along. Actually my own definition is pretty much spot on with the new official version. Rather proud of that.

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Actually defining it, though, would be silly.. which you don't seem to get.  It's an idea I'm referring to, invoking it by the approximate term "preju[d]ice", not some crude definition recorded in some book of many vague, crude definitions.  The fact you're so often concerned with the dictionary is basically what made me think you didn't have a decent higher education.  (To be honest.)



No, actually using it was silly, which you don't seem to get since you believe your vocabulary of the moment is vastly superior to the OED (share that little gem with your English Prof.). I am well aware that all words are defined using other words but I'd rather use established, contemporary meanings than some sort of verbal hallucination on a message board. It's that communication rather than obfuscation thingy.

If you insist on using insults at least have the courage to do so in a legible font. Be a mench and own your words.

(Actually,  it's not the tone that bothers me so much, it's the faulty punctuation.)



Z.

PS: What is this thread about anyway? Anybody?


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RE: Missouri must allow inmates abortions - 1/24/2008 1:11:51 AM   
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ST. LOUIS - The state of Missouri must provide transportation to clinics for inmates who want to have an abortion, a federal appeals panel ruled Tuesday.

In 2005, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled the state had to allow a specific inmate, listed as Jane Roe, to have an abortion after the state tried to end the practice of driving prisoners to clinics for elective abortions.

The American Civil Liberties Union then sought a federal ruling making the high court's decision a class-action on behalf of all imprisoned pregnant women in the state.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22790110


It will be interesting to watch how this all plays out over the next few years. Although I will never be in the position of having to make the choice for myself, knowing that I and many other leatherwomen engage in several illegal activities on a fairly consistant basis, I would hope that if the state does decide to appeal, they will lose and keep this vital decision in the hands of pregnant women and not turn it over to Big Brother.

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