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935 lies: 3929 American deaths - 1/23/2008 8:55:53 AM   
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By DOUGLASS K. DANIEL
Associated Press Writer
 
WASHINGTON (AP) -- A study by two nonprofit journalism organizations found that President Bush and top administration officials issued hundreds of false statements about the national security threat from Iraq in the two years following the 2001 terrorist attacks.
 
The study concluded that the statements "were part of an orchestrated campaign that effectively galvanized public opinion and, in the process, led the nation to war under decidedly false pretenses."
 
The study was posted Tuesday on the Web site of the Center for Public Integrity, which worked with the Fund for Independence in Journalism.
 
White House spokesman Scott Stanzel did not comment on the merits of the study Tuesday night but reiterated the administration's position that the world community viewed Iraq's leader, Saddam Hussein, as a threat.
 
"The actions taken in 2003 were based on the collective judgment of intelligence agencies around the world," Stanzel said.
 
The study counted 935 false statements in the two-year period. It found that in speeches, briefings, interviews and other venues, Bush and administration officials stated unequivocally on at least 532 occasions that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction or was trying to produce or obtain them or had links to al-Qaida or both.
 
"It is now beyond dispute that Iraq did not possess any weapons of mass destruction or have meaningful ties to al-Qaida," according to Charles Lewis and Mark Reading-Smith of the Fund for Independence in Journalism staff members, writing an overview of the study. "In short, the Bush administration led the nation to war on the basis of erroneous information that it methodically propagated and that culminated in military action against Iraq on March 19, 2003."
 
Named in the study along with Bush were top officials of the administration during the period studied: Vice President Dick Cheney, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Colin Powell, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz and White House press secretaries Ari Fleischer and Scott McClellan.
 
Bush led with 259 false statements, 231 about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 28 about Iraq's links to al-Qaida, the study found. That was second only to Powell's 244 false statements about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 10 about Iraq and al-Qaida.
 
The center said the study was based on a database created with public statements over the two years beginning on Sept. 11, 2001, and information from more than 25 government reports, books, articles, speeches and interviews.
 
"The cumulative effect of these false statements - amplified by thousands of news stories and broadcasts - was massive, with the media coverage creating an almost impenetrable din for several critical months in the run-up to war," the study concluded.
 
"Some journalists - indeed, even some entire news organizations - have since acknowledged that their coverage during those prewar months was far too deferential and uncritical. These mea culpas notwithstanding, much of the wall-to-wall media coverage provided additional, 'independent' validation of the Bush administration's false statements about Iraq," it said.
 
How does this compare with a lie about a blowjob?


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RE: 935 lies: 3929 American deaths - 1/23/2008 9:01:49 AM   
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"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."

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RE: 935 lies: 3929 American deaths - 1/23/2008 9:08:37 AM   
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Chalk one more up for Stanzel, bringing us to a grand total of 936, plus....oop...there's somebody over there saying another one now.  937.  Actually, it'll help taxpayers to understand exactly how the government criminals lie without it ever being called a Lie.  There is a declassified word Polyinstantiation.  Its not in Webster's dictionary, but you can google it.  Basically, its the level of truthiness that you get based on your level of clearance.  Therefore, since the servant government considers taxpayers at the lowest level of clearance, taxpayers are told the absolute minimum of the whole truth.  In polyinstantiation, there are tiers of truthiness and only the highest tier has all the truth.  As an example, the Army privates are told to "mount up, we've got to go clear this field of a bunch of debris".  The sargeant is told "This debris is Top-secret.  No civilian is allowed access to one smidgen of it".  The colonel is told "Its an aircraft that's not ours".  The general is told "It doesn't belong to the Soviets either".  Meanwhile, the public is told that its a weather balloon, which is clearly not the case. 


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RE: 935 lies: 3929 American deaths - 1/23/2008 9:08:43 AM   
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Quite. Thanks, Ron

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RE: 935 lies: 3929 American deaths - 1/23/2008 9:10:22 AM   
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In polyinstantiation, there are tiers of truthiness and only the highest tier has all the truth. 


Hmmmm....wonder where bubba dubbya fits in that hierarchy?

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RE: 935 lies: 3929 American deaths - 1/23/2008 9:14:14 AM   
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Forgive me for leaving this out: 174 British deaths, 133 "other."

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RE: 935 lies: 3929 American deaths - 1/23/2008 9:20:57 AM   
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George W. Bush, while certainly one criminal in this crime, is obviously not at the top level of clearance.  In fact, there are 33 levels of Top Secret clearance ABOVE presidential level.  That became fact under Eisenhower's presidency.  Prior to that, the President was briefed on every level.  As soon as Eisenhower signed that into being, they shut him out like a rented mule, and that's maybe the biggest reason he gave his "beware the military industrial complex" speech on his way out of office.  Before signing that initiative, Eisenhower thought everybody else needed to be a Toby, then after signing it, he found that he too was considered a Toby.  In the late 70s, I was taught in public schools that every President, upon taking office, was briefed on every level.  ....another prime example of Polyinstantiation.  Classic.  .......and to think, people wonder why Fox viewers thought we'd found WMDs in Iraq......LOL


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RE: 935 lies: 3929 American deaths - 1/23/2008 9:36:53 AM   
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All hindsight that cannot condemn any particular action at the time it was taking place…Typical sensationalistic journalism at its worse.

Over and over you hear people calling Bush an idiot...inept…fumbling hick… They are right BUT…don’t call him an idiot then in the next sentence call him an evil mastermind capable of hoodwinking the American public for 8 years.

Egotistical idiot I can believe but not mastermind!
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RE: 935 lies: 3929 American deaths - 1/23/2008 9:40:08 AM   
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How does this compare with a lie about a blowjob?



Well dragging us into war, draining our finances, killing not only our troops, but civilians, and wrecking any chance at peace in that region and really getting the terriorist nice and stirred up is nothing compared to lieing about a blow job.. I mean she did it to completion and everything. We have the dress to show it.

I wonder if good ol dubbya will let go of the wheel when the time comes or come up with some hokey reason to stay in office longer.

Gwyn,
who wonders why other nations didnt save us from this jackass when we appaerntly couldnt save ourselves.

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RE: 935 lies: 3929 American deaths - 1/23/2008 9:44:27 AM   
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The presentation of information to Congress and the general public through deceit, craft, trickery, dishonest means, and fraudulent representations, including lies, half-truths, material omissions, and statements made with reckless indifference to their truth or falsity, while knowing and intending that such fraudulent representations would influence Congress' decisions regarding authorization to use military force and funding for military action, constitutes interfering with, obstructing, impairing, and defeating a lawful government function of a department of the United States within the meaning of Section 371.

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RE: 935 lies: 3929 American deaths - 1/23/2008 9:48:45 AM   
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Saddly this and so many other crimes the Bush White House has done, they are getting away with it.

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RE: 935 lies: 3929 American deaths - 1/23/2008 9:55:12 AM   
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All hindsight that cannot condemn any particular action at the time it was taking place…Typical sensationalistic journalism at its worse.

Over and over you hear people calling Bush an idiot...inept…fumbling hick… They are right BUT…don’t call him an idiot then in the next sentence call him an evil mastermind capable of hoodwinking the American public for 8 years.

Egotistical idiot I can believe but not mastermind!
Butch


He is an inarticualte baffoon who has a God complex that he has circled evil masterminds around him to carry out his plans. He prob. has handlers there to remind him to zip up his fly for the love of God.. but it doesnt make him any less dangerous when he has surrounded himself with some very smart and dangerous people. Dick Cheney...  Um.. hello..... any one else care to guess why the hell we went to war? He used to be Secretary of Defense. He worked for Halilburton.

  • Cheney's 2000 income from Halliburton: $36,086,635
  • Increase in government contracts while Cheney led Halliburton: 91%
  • Minimum size of "accounting irregularity" that occurred while Cheney was CEO: $100,000,000 (One hundred MILLION dollars)
  • Number of the seven official US "State Sponsors of Terror" that Halliburton contracted with: 2 out of 7
  • Pages of Energy Plan documents Cheney refused to give congressional investigators: 13,500
  • Amount energy companies gave the Bush/Cheney presidential campaign: $1,800,000

    * Cheney claimed that he supported the U.S. sanctions on Iraq, but the Financial Times of London reported that through foreign subsidiaries and affiliates, Halliburton became the biggest oil contractor for Iraq, selling more than $73 million in goods and services to Saddam Hussein's regime. (See http://gwbush.com/spots/postpage.html for a Washington Post article on the matter.)

    I am betting something happened with that.. and he figured out if the US govt' went to war he could get even more money.

    Ya gotta love greedy bastards like this.

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    RE: 935 lies: 3929 American deaths - 1/23/2008 10:03:08 AM   
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    Well dragging us into war, draining our finances, killing not only our troops, but civilians, and wrecking any chance at peace in that region and really getting the terriorist nice and stirred up is nothing compared to lieing about a blow job.. I mean she did it to completion and everything. We have the dress to show it.

    I wonder if good ol dubbya will let go of the wheel when the time comes or come up with some hokey reason to stay in office longer.

    Gwyn,
    who wonders why other nations didnt save us from this jackass when we appaerntly couldnt save ourselves.


    Yep the Gap dress, which we have because Monica got "Tripped."

    I don't think "W" really wants to be there. He got the 2nd term Dad didn't and avenged the attempted assasination in Kuwait - even got to watch Saddam hang. I think he wants to go back to the Ranch where he spent much of the beginning of "his" war.


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    RE: 935 lies: 3929 American deaths - 1/23/2008 10:15:56 AM   
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    Hi Gywn

    So Cheney is a mastermind… starting a war for profit. And I suppose Colin Powell was in on it too.

    The fact that they profited by the war does not mean they started it for that reason.

    I’m sorry I can’t agree with you...like I often do… I think they were and are all egotistical idiots.

    And yes they are very dangerous… not because they are masterminds but because the most powerful nation on earth is being led by egotistical incompetent fools.

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    RE: 935 lies: 3929 American deaths - 1/23/2008 10:19:13 AM   
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    Actually, its the evil masterminds who put George W. Bush in the center so they could play smart tyrant/dumb tyrant.  Don't worry though, subpoenas are coming down the line.  One side note here-what the government of Israel would do, would be to imprison the families of said criminals, so perhaps we have something to learn from them?  Maybe it would be best if we siezed Jenna, Laura, Cheney's daughter, and whoever would mate with Rumsfeld.  Does he have children? 


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    RE: 935 lies: 3929 American deaths - 1/23/2008 10:25:37 AM   
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    So Cheney is a mastermind… starting a war for profit. And I suppose Colin Powell was in on it too.


    Butch,

    You're trying to reason with the "the faithful".  For the faithful, no amount of logic or countervailing facts will ever be sufficient to derail their fantasies one iota.

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    RE: 935 lies: 3929 American deaths - 1/23/2008 10:30:25 AM   
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    Maybe it would be best if we siezed Jenna, Laura, Cheney's daughter, and whoever would mate with Rumsfeld.  Does he have children? 



    Advocating an illegal act is against the TOS.

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    RE: 935 lies: 3929 American deaths - 1/23/2008 10:45:13 AM   
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    Butch,

    You're trying to reason with the "the faithful".  For the faithful, no amount of logic or countervailing facts will ever be sufficient to derail their fantasies one iota.

    Firm



    Fantasies? Why do suggest that?

    The figure 935 lies--yes, lies, falsehoods, untruths, deceptions made unequivocally for the purposes of instigating a war--was derived by two not-for-profit journalist research groups: Center for Public Integrity and Fund for Independence in Journalism. These 935 instances are not blunders, misinformation, mistakes or errors--they are lies and obfuscation.

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    RE: 935 lies: 3929 American deaths - 1/23/2008 10:46:16 AM   
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    Hi Gywn

    So Cheney is a mastermind… starting a war for profit. And I suppose Colin Powell was in on it too.

    The fact that they profited by the war does not mean they started it for that reason.

    I’m sorry I can’t agree with you...like I often do… I think they were and are all egotistical idiots.

    And yes they are very dangerous… not because they are masterminds but because the most powerful nation on earth is being led by egotistical incompetent fools.

    Butch


    Why else would you start a war under totaly false pretenses? We all know it was total BS about the WMD.. they knew it at the time. I am pretty sure Cheney did it for money.. and Dubbya wanted revenge on Daddy's enemys and to be a war time prez. those get the most books in history. Not to mention the kick backs from his oil buddies. Hell it only takes $1 to get the oil out of the ground and distribute it per barrel. Here we are seeing $100 a barrel because of the war. Hmmmm..... I *know* my my gas prices went up.

    I am actualy a fan of Colin Powell... before this if he had ran for prez I would have voted for him. He was unfortunatly boxed in by being in his office, and having to go along with it. It got to the point where he figured out it was BS and went immediately into retirement on Dubbya's second term. Many in the Bush camp have jumped ship. I can't say that I blame them. There are a lot of bad apples in that group.. and no Dubbya and Cheney arent the only ones of course.

    But as for Powell, him I feel bad for. He was a good man. This ruined him. Every bit of advice they went against.. and was constantly muzzled by Rumsfield and Cheney. Cheney even installed John Bolton as Powell's undersecretary of state for arms control to keep Powell in line. ( Gods I can't stand Bolton. This is the very same attack dog jack ass they sent to the UN because the Bush admin hates the UN and wanted realtions with them to break down.)  Powell was the only decent man in the bunch and they were sure to be rid of him.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article2042072.ece

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    RE: 935 lies: 3929 American deaths - 1/23/2008 11:26:30 AM   
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    Hi Gywn

    So Cheney is a mastermind… starting a war for profit. And I suppose Colin Powell was in on it too.

    The fact that they profited by the war does not mean they started it for that reason.

    I’m sorry I can’t agree with you...like I often do… I think they were and are all egotistical idiots.

    And yes they are very dangerous… not because they are masterminds but because the most powerful nation on earth is being led by egotistical incompetent fools.

    Butch


    Colin was used and abused,like so many, at the beginning.

    That`s why Colin left,you know,"to spend more time with his family" <nod-wink>.

    During WWII, people went to jail for war profiteering.Millions were saved,b/c H. Truman cracked a whip ,that kept greedy ass holes from taking more advantage,than was already happening.

    My, how times have changed.Well ,only in the last 7 years,but neo-con don`t know how count, let alone,be accountable,anyway,so WTF.

    When I hear republicans make comparisons of Iraq and WWII,I want to bitch slap them.Not only do they not compare,but it`s a true insult to those who commanded our GIs,in WWII.

    For the faithful, no amount of logic or countervailing facts will ever be sufficient to derail their fantasies one iota.


    firmhanky,..don`t talk about yourself.It`s not polite.

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