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being property - 1/23/2008 10:50:37 AM   
justnewsub


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Status: offline 		i am struggling with what this really means.  i asked my Dom what me being his property ment to him and he told me it means, he can do whater ever he wants to me, when ever, where ever, and how ever.  my question then to him was is it harder to deal with a piece of property when they have feelings and desires? he says it is to be expected.

so here is my question what does it mean to you to have a piece of property... are you still interested in meeting that properties feelings and desires?

i'm not sure i like the idea of being an object or if i don't like my Dom's idea of me being an object.

thanks for any and all replies

:)
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RE: being property - 1/23/2008 10:58:19 AM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		do you own any pets? cats or dogs? 

How do you take care of your automobile?

Property issues are complex and numerous.

one reason slavery got a bad rap, was the dealing with the wanton destruction of human property. 

On the other hand, people have been property in one fashion or another since the beginning of time.............

it works where it works...

Hell, get a teenager and you will see how often people are forced to do that which they have no desire to do, at least in some measure.  

Ron  

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RE: being property - 1/23/2008 11:06:17 AM   
Dnomyar


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Status: offline 		Should you not be meeting his needs and desires???  Do you not want to please your Dom. Would not that satisfy your feelings and desires? 

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RE: being property - 1/23/2008 11:10:37 AM   
SirMIkeSD


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Status: offline 		I take care of my car, my boat, etc very well why would I take care of a slave any less.

Mike


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RE: being property - 1/23/2008 11:12:03 AM   
sweetwenchie


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Status: offline 		Not everyone is into objectification and being owned.   you have to decide for yourself if that is something you can live with.   If you agree to be his property, he can consider your thoughts and feelings... or not.  He can listen to your thoughts and feelings and let that sway his decisions... or not.  lol  One of those things that go along with being owned by another.  If you wish to be a slave, and have a Master (Owner) then you really should choose wisely.   The situation has to fit the needs of both parties.

damn, too serious for me without at least 2 more cups of coffee in me.     Good luck... whatever you decide

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RE: being property - 1/23/2008 11:13:10 AM   
DominaRapport


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Status: offline 		The owner has responsibilities to 'take care' of his/her property and pets or risk losing them. If you don't feed or love your cat, it runs away and finds a home where people look after it. If you don't take care of your car, it breaks down. You are neither a cat or a car, but require a great deal of responsibility to be maintained. In return for being maintained, you provide your owner with an irreplacable service. Your servitude and submission.

Don't kid yourself though, if your heart isn't in it, then you're just pretending to be owned. When you learn to trust him enough( read as: when he also earns your trust), then the idea of being a puppet to his whim won't scare you.

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RE: being property - 1/23/2008 11:16:05 AM   
FRSguy


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Status: offline 		It is as complicated thing to understand but how I came to understand it is this.  One time I was at band camp and I met a woman that could suck a cock like nobodies business so.... I fell madly deeply in love with her.  After a few months of this I caught her playing with others or at least trying to and I got really really jelouse so... like any good band member I tried to understand these feelings.  The more I looked into myself the more I realised that my feelings were very simular to the way I feel about the things that I own.  The things that I own are things that I worked hard to obtain and value them because of both sentimental reasons and the services they provide me.  I have a nice TV. I worked hard and paid a lot for it.  It entertains me.  I take care of it and in return it entertains me.  If I were to loose it then I would feel bad because I would no longer have the entertainment and the investment would seem like a waste of time.... Back to the girl, she represented a really big emotional investment, didnt want her to go away because hey.... she was a great cock sucker right??? lol  (I'm really not that big of an asshole)
Anyways, the more I thought of her in the way I would think of a great sports car the more I drew simularities to it and the more I understood why I felt the way I did. Its not that I think of a woman as being like a car.  I think of a woman as being much more important like the most prized posesion I could have, the most importat to protect but the more I allow those feelings of ownership take hold the more it caters to the deeper parts of my mind and the more the other parts of my mind are allowed to express itself. Its a very difficult thing to describe but by truly claiming ownership opens a whole new world of feelings of expresion which the woman benefits from because owning a woman also means owning the responsibility and having a moral cause to protect and defend and be selfish.. its my tv, I dont want it to go away, Its my girl, I dont want her to go away, I dont want her harmed I want to be able to own it for ever and that can only happen if I take good care of my toys.
So I guess Ownership means you have a right to intervene and protect a person even if they dont like it or it would normaly be considered stepping out of bounds.  Thinking of a woman as an object dosnt make her an object its just catering to a carnel need / desire that in turn destroys bad feelings and creates a false sense of security.

In other words, I am just fucking with my own head... but my head likes it. But my cock loves it more...... :)

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RE: being property - 1/23/2008 11:18:25 AM   
FRSguy


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Status: offline 		LOL... okay next time I will use spell check...really....

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RE: being property - 1/23/2008 11:19:00 AM   
Dnomyar


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Status: offline 		MrMike if my sub owned a boat I would take care of her very well. It can even be a small boat as long as she rows.

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RE: being property - 1/23/2008 11:35:30 AM   
celticlord2112


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quote:

ORIGINAL: justnewsub

so here is my question what does it mean to you to have a piece of property... are you still interested in meeting that properties feelings and desires?



Do I personally care about my slave's feelings and desires?  Yes.  Not all dominants do, however, and not all slaves want to serve a dominant who does.




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RE: being property - 1/23/2008 11:46:32 AM   
Kalista07


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

do you own any pets? cats or dogs? 

How do you take care of your automobile?

Property issues are complex and numerous.

Ron  

What the hell!!! Ron??? You mean i'm supposed to be doing something with these three things??? No wonder i keep going through so many cats, dogs, and cars...huh...


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RE: being property - 1/23/2008 12:29:40 PM   
Statepalace


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quote:

ORIGINAL: justnewsub

i'm not sure i like the idea of being an object or if i don't like my Dom's idea of me being an object.



You might start by writing out all the things that you think an owner would feel/do/think about a piece of property. I would suggest making a separate list for those things that apply only to pets. Some items will overlap.

You could ask your Dom if he would do the same, and then compare lists. Perhaps your idea of being an object and your Dom's idea are not as far apart as they might seem. Some words can have very different meaning to different people, and it helps to more fully flesh out what "property" means to both of you.

My Dom has recently started using that word, but "toy" and "puppy" came first, so my mental image of "property" is colored by "valuable toy" and "treasured pet". I don't have issues with the word property, but gosh I had some weird feelings about puppy. I am a cat person.

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RE: being property - 1/23/2008 12:38:49 PM   
trappedinamuseum


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Status: offline 		Its not my thing.  I know that.  Anybody I am with will have to feel the same way.

Decide if its for you, then act.

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Don't come back for me.
Don't come back at all" - Jar of Hearts

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RE: being property - 1/23/2008 1:02:11 PM   
Maya2001


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Status: offline 		It is a very tough thing emotionally if the trust is not already fully there prior and some doms may not provide the love aspect to property, discuss what it means to him and try to determine if it is enough  fill your own needs, some can find happiness with, others will fail to thrive and will find unhappiness in this form of relationship depending on how property is defined

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RE: being property - 1/23/2008 1:34:50 PM   
robertolapiedra


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Status: offline 		Hello justnewsub. When you own a submissive, you own the submissive's feelings. When you own a cat, you own the cat's meow.

If you find pleasure in submitting and pleasing, this should not be a problem. When you say you are not sure you like being an ''object'' to your dominant, you are saying you are not sure if you find pleasure in pleasing and submitting the way he wants you to. Hope you get this. RL.

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RE: being property - 1/23/2008 1:40:53 PM   
DesFIP


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Status: offline 		Did he explain upfront that this is the dynamic he wanted? Or did he wait until after he collared you to say that from now on your feelings don't matter, and he'll do whatever he wants including breaking your hard limits? Personally I don't go for bait and switch tactics.

The truth is that unless you consent to this, he can't do it. He can say to hell with having agreed to be monogamous and bring home some chickie for you to lick, but you can also say bye-bye and dial 911 if he refuses to let you leave. You folks need to sit down and have some long and diffficult conversations in order to avoid making that phone call.

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RE: being property - 1/23/2008 3:56:12 PM   
justnewsub


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Status: offline 		thank you for all the responses.  i have given some thought to what you have said.  here are some facts about me.  i am new to the life style and am learning more as i go.  i know i'm submissive, but i don't know what type of submissive i am... that i am learning along the way also.

i think i would like to be seen as the beloved pet, the ideal car, and/or the bestest toy ever!!  hee hee

my Dom has always called me his property but only recently have i really given it much real deep thought and question if that is right for me. Also i have to agree to be property to someone... there must be alot of trust and respect, on both parts, involved.

lots of stuff to re-evaluate and see where i stand i guess...

thanks for all the replies!!

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RE: being property - 1/23/2008 4:02:07 PM   
Bound2One


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quote:

thank you for all the responses. i have given some thought to what you have said. here are some facts about me. i am new to the life style and am learning more as i go. i know i'm submissive, but i don't know what type of submissive i am... that i am learning along the way also.


There definitely is a lot to learn, and a lot to think about.  Just be sure the one you give yourself to understands how you feel and that you both agree to how your relationship should be structured.  Good luck ... it can be tough sometimes to understand what we want. 

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RE: being property - 1/23/2008 4:18:47 PM   
IrishMist


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

MrMike if my sub owned a boat I would take care of her very well. It can even be a small boat as long as she rows.

LMAO

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RE: being property - 1/23/2008 5:49:12 PM   
junecleaver


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Status: offline 		Actually, that's pretty close to my definition of being property.  My mind doesn't automatically travel from property to object which seems to be uncommon.  I don't consider my cats to be objects, though I do own them and (to a mild extent, you know cats) control them.  It's possible to own things that aren't objects like animals, ideas, etc etc.  I am far more interactive than a car and a lot more fun to own. ;)  Anyway, because happiness is something important to my Owner, he cares about my feelings and desires because that's part of what I need to be fulfilled.  If my fulfillment wasn't high on his priorities, then I would have never agreed to become his. 

So it's kind of like a circle and if both parties best interests aren't in the middle, it's going to be a rough ride.

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