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ORIGINAL: lennoxx

Forgive me if I am wrong, but even the most masochistic masochist who gets out of bed in the middle of the night and stubbs thier toe is not going to say,"Damn that felt good" They will say,"Fuck that hurt!" Pain is pain, its just how you deal with it that makes the whole difference.

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ORIGINAL: Masochist444

"So, I guess my question to the other masochists is this:
(1) When you are subjected to sensations that could be described as "painful," do you feel them as "pain" or as "pleasure." Does it "hurt" or does it feel good like a massage or something? "

Thuddy floggers or heavy floggers are like a big ol massage to me.. I love them. *sighs* Hot wax.. yum.. some things like Knife play and wartenburg wheels are lovely too. However pinchy things are just *BAD* I hate hate hate pinchy things. I spent most of my childhood being pinched by an evil sibling so I equate that to her.. and my dislike of that time and person. Same with face slapping. That is a super huge hard limit.


"(2) To the submissives/slaves, does the fact that you are submitting make pain an enjoyable experience, or the sensations themselves? "

I am generally not submissive, so I do not get endorphins from submitting.  However, I consider myself to be more like a boi and I do service for the top.  That means I do follow orders.  I think that a true submissive gets endorphins from doing his/her service for that particular top.  I do not get that kind of high. 
Not a submissive... so that doesnt do it for me.. but the memory of the scene when I see the marks or feel them sets me back off into my happy place.


When you talk about pain and being a masochist, its not all about getting wet or having an orgasim.  I have bottomed to people who I do not do anything sexual with.  I have also bottomed to people who use force along with some sexual things to 'make me' comply.  It gets very complicated, very quickly because in general I am not a very sexual person.  But if force is added to the mix, then it is an explosive combination for me.  You need to understand that everyone is wired differently and what works for me might not work for you.  Oh yeah, there are those who can orgasim from pain without any kind of other sexual stimulation.  I have done it, others I know have done it, its something that I think occurs when you play in the extremes.

The other thing about taking pain to an extreme is the fact that an engaged brain will be able to take a large ammount of pain.  This is why some tops have their bottoms count.  Counting engages the brain and it gets you past the 'I can't do that' type of thinking. 

Totaly agree.. it doesnt have to be sexual.. and I suppose for some it is not... for me if I bottom it is sexual for me... I would never pick someone to flog me and do things that would set me off that I could not be sexual with... You dont set a house on fire with out having the fire department there to put it out. LOL
 but that is simply how I am wired.
 
and yes on spankings and the like I love to make my subs count.. LOL sometime I um.. "lose" count and they of course have to start over.. good thing they were counting eh?
 
Gwyn

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So, I guess my question to the other masochists is this: (1) When you are subjected to sensations that could be described as "painful," do you feel them as "pain" or as "pleasure." Does it "hurt" or does it feel good like a massage or something? (2) To the submissives/slaves, does the fact that you are submitting make pain an enjoyable experience, or the sensations themselves?

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ORIGINAL: Shammon5

So, I guess my question to the other masochists is this:

(1) When you are subjected to sensations that could be described as "painful," do you feel them as "pain" or as "pleasure." Does it "hurt" or does it feel good like a massage or something?

Depends on the "pain."  Being flogged sometimes feels like a thousand baby kisses landing all over my skin. Being spanked or having the belt used on me, etc, can be felt as very real pain to me.  Regardless of whether a part of me wants it to stop, until i get to my "breaking point",  a part of me also wants it to continue...even though i truly feel it as *pain*.  After it's over, even if it really hurts, i usually feel almost grateful.  And frankly, with the last Dom i was with, i don't believe he would have been as pleased to see me enjoying the sensations as purely pleasurable...he is a true sadist, and enjoyed watching me in pain (and i enjoyed feeling his pleasure).

(2) To the submissives/slaves, does the fact that you are submitting make pain an enjoyable experience, or the sensations themselves?

i guess my last sentence above relates to this.  i get so much pleasure out of pleasing the Dom that i am with...i really don't know whether it's the pain i like the most, or the submission.  i'd guess it's just the combo of the two.  It's a blurry line for me.

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ORIGINAL: lennoxx

Forgive me if I am wrong, but even the most masochistic masochist who gets out of bed in the middle of the night and stubbs thier toe is not going to say,"Damn that felt good" They will say,"Fuck that hurt!"