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RE: Replies and Manners - 9/1/2005 11:44:55 AM   
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it may not be polite, but i don't reply to "hi wanna chat" emails, or any email that is only one line. If someone didn't take the time to write something more worthwhile, then why would i take the time to reply. I get alot of "so where are you located" emails, and those just drive me crazy.

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RE: Replies and Manners - 9/1/2005 12:41:14 PM   
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I send a reply to all who contact me. The contact is a compliment, and even if I'm not interested it's nice to acknowledge that. Also, I am not a terribly busy person and don't get a lot of emails, so it doesn't take much of my time to send a short reply. On the rare occasions when I get a rude or insulting email, I usually reply with a marriage proposal or something similarly inappropriate.

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RE: Replies and Manners - 9/1/2005 12:46:03 PM   
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Seems to me that most threads around here are about either being fat or moaning about messages not being answered.
Why should anyone be concerned so much about someone who is not interested enough to write back? Stop pushing people and move on..... there are enough profiles around here to pick and choose and find someone who will actually write back all you want. With this sort of rant you just give impression you are being desperate.

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RE: Replies and Manners - 9/1/2005 1:20:41 PM   
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quote:

Seems to me that most threads around here are about either being fat or moaning about messages not being answered.
Why should anyone be concerned so much about someone who is not interested enough to write back? Stop pushing people and move on..... there are enough profiles around here to pick and choose and find someone who will actually write back all you want. With this sort of rant you just give impression you are being desperate.


Yeah, I second what Kassia said.

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RE: Replies and Manners - 9/1/2005 2:01:50 PM   
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I do not expect to receive a reply from every person I send a message to. unfortunately for me the age range that attracts me can be decidedly immature. What I consider to be unacceptable is what has recently happenned to me. I sent out a polite message asking for more information and inviting this one to view my profile and I receive the most offensively rude reply. Being the smartass that I am, I kept replying to her rudeness by picking apart her insults and feeding her back her logical inconsistencies. After a few back and forths and several threats from her she finally gave up and blocked me. In the end I am mostly just amused by this, but I was quite put out in the beginning.

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RE: Replies and Manners - 9/1/2005 3:46:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TahoeSadist

I think what you run into is the myth of "common courtesy". That old fashioned (and apparently deceased) concept which says that a "thank you for the email, but no"-type reply should be sent to at least let a person know that thier email didn't get swallowed up out there in cyberspace. I've seen this topic a few times here, and usually the thread is flooded with people bleating "but I get emails from people who don't read my profile, are too old, young, tall, short, distant, close, and/or who drink their beer at the wrong temperature" thus implying that someone else's behavior causes them to behave without manners. It's not only a problem with online people of course, it's visible throughout society, in and out of the bdsm world.

Eric


G’day Eric,
I must say, well said. Curtesy is dieing in today’s society with so many rude, ignorant, aggressive people about. Hell you only have to browse the threads and you could compile a list of those who are a waste of space with their crass, ignorance and rude abrasive manners. I have one girl in mind here but there are others from all areas of the lifestyle. Strangely much of this rudeness I believe if ego based often masking a low self-esteem. I watch and wait as the cadence of one or two is starting to fade as they blast their way to burn out. Hopefully there will always be those who value old fashion manners, courtliness and chivalry.





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RE: Replies and Manners - 9/1/2005 4:32:53 PM   
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For me, I believe, as does Master, that I am a reflection of him. My behavior, and the things I do...matter. He doesn't tolerate rude, uncalled for behavior. There's no need for it. Common courtesy, and manners work. It may take a few extra second, even minutes to use.... but they work. If one doesn't have a few minutes, or even seconds to spare.....why are you here? If you don't have that small amount of time.... you obviously don't have time to take on the responsibility of another person. Or at least that's the way I see it.

Someone else's bad manners, behaviors... or rudeness is not an excuse for me to act accordingly. Have I been guilty of just that?.....yep, I sure have. And have had to deal with the consequences of that too. I try to behave on here, as I would in public, face to face. I can try and be polite...always. But when it just keeps coming at you.....well... as Master will tell me... all bets off. Handle it. And so at that point I do. But I try polite first. It generally gets you farther.

Thanks....and there were other that may have said it better....but those are just my thoughts on it, jumbled as they are.

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RE: Replies and Manners - 9/1/2005 5:22:37 PM   
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Not sure if this will be relevant or not....to me it is.

But when someone says they are collared....yet fills there pictures with nudity, or suggestive pictures....and all that.... why does it then surprise them when HNG's fill their e-mail? I mean, owuldn't that be considered rude? To lead people on? Say one thing, show another?

Just another lil thought of mine..... thanks for your input... which ever way it goes.

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RE: Replies and Manners - 9/1/2005 5:29:05 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tempestspet

Not sure if this will be relevant or not....to me it is.

But when someone says they are collared....yet fills there pictures with nudity, or suggestive pictures....and all that.... why does it then surprise them when HNG's fill their e-mail? I mean, owuldn't that be considered rude? To lead people on? Say one thing, show another?

Just another lil thought of mine..... thanks for your input... which ever way it goes.

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jennifer



Should not people be able to express themselves without being harrased.

Not wishing to sound rude, but your post is akin to saying that just because a women is dressed in a black short dress and out at a party they are leading a man on and should expect to give sex or be raped.

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RE: Replies and Manners - 9/1/2005 6:16:01 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tempestspet

Not sure if this will be relevant or not....to me it is.

But when someone says they are collared....yet fills there pictures with nudity, or suggestive pictures....and all that.... why does it then surprise them when HNG's fill their e-mail? I mean, owuldn't that be considered rude? To lead people on? Say one thing, show another?


One of the attractions the Scene holds for many women is, because of our strict adherence to consent, they are free to act as sexual as they want with a lot less risk than such behavior would allow in a vanilla environment. It's a freeing thing.

The argument here reminds me of the Islamic claim that burkas are necessary to keep men from raping women.

If I see a naked woman at a party, I'm free to admire, but I don't see any implication that she's interested in me from that. From your point of view, she's leading me on.

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RE: Replies and Manners - 9/1/2005 8:30:54 PM   
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I am new to this site, single and am definitely looking, but I have never sent and would never send an email to someone that says they are not looking. I read every bit of a person’s profile, why would you want to chat with someone if you knew nothing about them? I’ve sent a few emails and have gotten replies to most. All have been considerate whether they were interested or not, why, because I was and because it was obvious that I had read their profile. If someone didn’t take a few minutes to learn about you, why take a few minutes to make them feel good about it? MHO

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RE: Replies and Manners - 9/1/2005 9:39:44 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MissDiandSirHugh

Just wondering if a person no matter what side of the enjoyable life style they are feel that if they receive a massage from someone who to them is not who they wish to either continue chatting with or be with think it is great to not reply instead of just saying thank you for showing some intrest but no thank you


Well, if they show that they've read my profile (usually really easy to tell), they get a note back. If it's a "thank you but no" note and they ask politely why, I will usually tell them though most of the time I'll include this in first note anyway. If they continue to pester I put them on block, as I feel I've done my part being polite and now they're crossing the line.

Now, if it's obviously someone sending out mass mailings, one liners, or other trolling activities, they get blocked immediately.

When I first signed on I got lots of that type of email, but when I got much more specific in my profile it calmed down a lot. Not to say I don't still get mass emails or letters from people who haven't a clue what I'm about, but it does seem that at least *some* of them actually do read the profile. I'm thinking the "service only, no sex" bit is what dried up most of 'em. :)

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RE: Replies and Manners - 9/2/2005 12:08:24 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tempestspet

Someone else's bad manners, behaviors... or rudeness is not an excuse for me to act accordingly. Have I been guilty of just that?....


Sometimes it's more than "bad manners" though.

What if some driver on the road, at a stoplight yells something at you, "Hey, baby your so hot, wanna have sex!" or maybe something un-sexual but still rude like "You drive like a <insert something mean here>!" Would you pull your car up beside theirs (because after all it's polite to respond to absolutely EVERYTHING someone else says to you or you're ill mannered) and call out your window "I'm not interested sorry!" or.. "I'm sorry you feel that my driving is not up to par!" Then you'd drive off?

Or... would you perhaps ignore this inane shouting....?? and drive on your merry way without responding to those people?

Sometimes people online (in my opinion) are doing the equivelent of "yelling out their window" at you. i don't think all things have to be responded to. Nope nope.

Though, perhaps it's a bad idea for me to compare the online world to the offline world... since they are "different".. i admit...

i guess i'm just wondering if you are required, by your master, to respond to absolutely everything someone says to you in a polite fashion, even if it happens in real life... like... someone shouting out their car window at you. Would you have to respond politely to that or risk "not properly representing" yourself..?

~~~i'm sorry if my question sounds ...overly confrontational.. reading my words over i realise it might sound that way.. but that's not my intention... ~ but.. i don't know how to ask what i'm trying to ask any other way.

Please don't think i'm too rude.
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RE: Replies and Manners - 9/2/2005 9:19:43 AM   
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ragdoll...actually I haven't thought any of you have been rude to me. ..smiles...

I'll try and respond to all that commented on my posts here.....please bear with.

Please don't misunderstand.....I'm not a sappy, sweet lil quiet thing. Master always has nicknamed me his bulldog. And there's a reason for that. I sound extreme, because after having seen the way people behave on here..... and other sites. The rudeness is just absolutely old. To be honest I'm sick of the I'm submissive, hear me roar... jump through all my hoops ad I'll think of behaving for you. I used to think it was just completely serious with these people. Then, probably to save my sanity, I have to believe that some prob. most behave that way, rude...whatever, because being online frees them up to let loose, relax... and be what they can't be in person. Or maybe ..and likely....it's that they ones I speak of have put up with sooooo much on here... it's just hardened, and jaded them. I think the latter is most likely.

My opinions often come out very...well...opinionated, and strong. I tend to have extreme thoughts.... that soften up when put into practice. This is a large part to I used to be a push over, and never spoke up when younger....wanted to, but didn't. Well, I learned how...now I am just refining it. Or maybe I just have a big mouth....

As to the photos, yes....feel free to put out whatever you want. To be able to express yourself, is wonderful. I enjoy looking at them, and without making stupid comments, e-mails and unwanted advances. But when you get some moron who misunderstands.... don't be confused. But do you have to go balls out insulting, or ignoring...and being outraged? No, a thanks but no thanks... or for those type of idiots.... a that wwas completely uncalled for, do not email me again... if they persist...yeahhhhhh let them have it. Though if they aren't looking for trouble, or terribly nosy... they'll just delete it. If this is a cronic problem for some.... I would be totally willing to give up and say you are absolutely right. Ignoring them is the best way to handle it, bocking them would just be a great idea, no reply necessary. But again, I stress.... perhaps I have this rigid view, because I haven't had this problem. I see it in a very cut and dry way. I'm now starting to think, that that's the wrong way of looking at it. It's not so cut and dry, and maybe if I had the same problems some do.... I'd feel at my wits end about it too.

I am not opposed to being proven wrong, I just think/thought that a different point of view, or action would be better.
Maybe this will help, maybe not...but I'll share anyways. I'm a KJ (Karaoke host) and a DJ. I own my own business, I do 3 to 4 nights weekly. So I spend a lot of time in bars, and have had to try and clean up, or prevent girls from making big messes, they think they want...but really don't. This is not a constant berage (I'm sure this is mispelled...sorry) but it happens on occasion. This would also be a leading factor in my being sick of seeing some people put images, and ideas, and behaviors out there and wonder why some idiot is getting the wrong impression. Does this mean the girl is at fault...not really, she has the right to wear and behave how she wishes. To the rape (mentioned as being the girl's fault for her clothing choices)...man this is a loaded cannon....sighs..... this isn't a popluar belief..... but, whatever,No it isn't her fault. It's a violent assault/crime against another. BUT, for example, if a person, girl,.... is wearing a skirt so short, it's a ruffle with a belt, pulled down so long to cover buttcheeks, that the crack of her ass shows, and she's wearing a tiny lil top.... AND hanging all over, flirting with a bunch of guys.... then the rape is STILL NOT ALL HER FAULT. But YES, she does need to acknowledge, that her choise of clothing coupled with her behavior... and often falling down drunk ( Yes, I'm speaking from experience at seeing this crap) yes... she needs to acknowledge that her behavior and state she put herself into.... contributed to the possibility of this happening. NOT that the rape was her fault.... that she gave a really crappy showing of herself, and the wrong people, as will happen, noticed. NOW>>>> the person, sitting in their home, or coming out of the grocery store.,...etc.... that gets raped... TOTALLY not their fault. They did nothing at all to contribute to circumstances.
Basically, there are crappy people out there. It's not our fault they are out there. But they are, and people have a personal responsibilty to themselves, to watch out for that.

That was an extreme. Now there's the woman who has beuatiful breasts, and loves to wear things that compliments that, I am one of them. I'm not surprised, or offended when someone looks at them. It can get old, when they just stare at your chest,m and not your face. I'll make a comment to the effect of...hey there my face is up here, or something with a sarcastic lilt to it. And again, there are crappy people out there, who are just inapropriate. And yes....someone was absolutely correct I think it was Dark Angel... yes it's easier to just ignore some...looks...behaviors... and e-mails than to respond. But if your choice is flying off the handle, or ignoring.... I guess ignoring would be the better choice. Then again... sometimes flying of the hadnle is best, and what's called for.


To the choice of clothing and that. In the lifestyle, yes.... I see a naked woman, or scantily clad woman walking, playing, whatever in a club (lifestyle) or private party. And heck ya, I even look, admire, and point it out to Master. I'm not bi, I'm just not blind to beauty. However, my only problem lies when that woman wants to turn around and b*tch about people looking, staring, accused of making passes.... (this has not happened to me, though I have seen it happen) the only point I had been trying to make about that, was that when you choose to express yourself in a sexual way, (And it's fact that most people see nudity in some, if however small, way as sexual to some extent. ) you will get some level of a sexual response, even if it is just a look or smile. There's also a**holes everywhere, lifestyle or not, that will make silly comments. How you take those, is up to you. I've been told all manner of things..... with everything from thank you, wow... do you think you should have really said that out loud? Those voices are better left in your head don'tcha think?!? to... oh hell no....I know you didn't just say that.

Perhaps, all I have done is make this worse....and made myself look like a b*tch. Well, I'm sorry ...because that's not the case. At least not if I'm given any other reasonable recourse.

I'm just tired of people using attitude, and lack of manners as a crutch, or first reaction. I do not always explain myself, apparently, very clearly and I'm sorry. It just doesn't always come out right.

But in the context that you guys took my answer, by what little was given the first go around. Hopefully I have explained it better now.... without just making it sound worse *lol* . Your comments made alot of sense, and in that respect yes, you are right.


Wow,.... after all that I guess I'd like to please change my opionion, that's it's a case by case thing. ...laughs.... man it took me a long time to say that.

Okey dokey... I still invite your comments and views....gosh maybe I'll learn something new....?

Sincerely,
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RE: Replies and Manners - 9/2/2005 9:32:28 AM   
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I have nothing constructive to add to this debate that hasn't been talked about on numerous occasions. I will say however that the post above is about the longest I have ever seen. Nothing good or bad implied, just an observation.

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RE: Replies and Manners - 9/2/2005 11:30:47 AM   
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Not to quote everyone around now, I second what ragdoll said. There are some things that go beyond good manners and "common courtesy" and all those noble words.

I consider it rude to send me any messages before reading my profile first. I took trouble to write that profile and journal for one reason - not to get messages from someone incompatible. If that one writes to me in spite of everything, I would be an idiot to write back. I mean, why? To show some jerks that I am polite? Rubbish.

I got messages from dominants or some from people living too far to meet - and I answered those messages with "courtesy" and politeness. But, they were asking or stating something of mutual interest.
If I get message from 165/58 guy from Mombay India telling me "My Mistress I want to worship your feet and be your slave forever" I am certainly going to delete it. If I answered that one it would not be polite, it would be stupid. And, to tell the truth, those messages annoy me.

Common courtesy has nothing to do with being stupid and everyones doormat. Period.

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RE: Replies and Manners - 9/2/2005 2:32:04 PM   
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Well Kasia, that is absolutely true. The way you put it. Yes I agree with you. The reason I sound so unreasonable and harsh in some or most of my opinions, is that I am speaking of extremes. The far end of the spectrum. I'm talking about the people who are just nasty 24/7, rude abrasive, in severe need of a course in relaxation. Or who just don't have a clue.
I am not speaking of people who use their common sense, those people don't need the help. They have a grip.

As to the doormat statement.... well I don't know if you were talking, or referring to me (based on my post/s) but...No.
I belong to one. As far as everyone else is concerned.... my feet are as good as yours to kneel in front of. I do Fetish Nights once a month as part of my shows( by way of example)..... I'm billed as Mistress, not slave Jenn. The reason for that is that I submit, and am owned by 1 man. Only ever, 1 man. I give respect where it's due, and earned. Not to just whomever can find a title they find fun. And yes, that sounds extreme too. Sorry about that, but that's the way it goes. I guess I give sort of a romantic, skewed view of polite, manners and that. In reality.... I'm fairly practical. I'm one of the worst people I know to get on the bad side of. But that's not because my mouth just flies away with me.

I'm sorry that I seem to be so hard to understand, or probably more to the point that, lots of people just don't like my opinions.

I do enjoy very much...the debate and discussion. Hoping I have frustrated toooo many people...smiles

Sincerely,
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Ps. Oh, and Tade....stick aorund I am by FAR not the most long winded *grins*




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RE: Replies and Manners - 9/2/2005 3:01:06 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tempestspet

As to the doormat statement.... well I don't know if you were talking, or referring to me (based on my post/s) but...No.


Not at all, my dear, I was not reffering to you. Actually I was reffering to IronBear quoting TahoeSadist, in fact to both of them (got a bit late to the thread to reffer to Mr. Sadist alone so took the oportunity of Mr. Bear quoting).

Hence "common courtesy" which is the term I really hate - its so often used by people who simply want to manipulate someone by hiding behind lessons about common courtesy.
Not that I am saying that either of those gentlemen I reffered to does that, dont get me wrong.

And the doormat statement was just an image in my mind, nothing particular. I should say that a person answering any stupid and ignorant message would in my opinion mostly resemble the doormat than normal human being.

As for the feet worshipping, I sincerely beleive your feet are even better than mine - I am not that happy about my feet. And I am not too happy about partial worshipping either - I prefere to be worshipped in one piece all together

You are not hard to understand. I like your opinion on many things you wrote here :)

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RE: Replies and Manners - 9/2/2005 3:14:27 PM   
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lol Kasia.... I don't like my feet so well either...hey, I somehow have a version of my dad's feet.

Hellooooo...I'm a girrrrllll...lol...anyways.

Ok, sorry if it seemed I jumped, actually I feel, now, like I jumped on a bit of a high horse about the manners.... I'm really not fanatical about it.

Common courtesy I use, well, cause I don't have a better term for it. I'll use a better one, when I figure it out...smiles

But thank you for talking with me.

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RE: Replies and Manners - 9/3/2005 5:50:49 AM   
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Whether or not to reply is a double edged sword. It is akin to whether or not you reply to a piece of SPAM email requesting to be removed. In most cases all that does is show the spammer that your address is real and live, and does nothing to stop the emails from coming.

The same holds true here. One cannot be sure how the mind works or what somebody's intentions may be, when sending a message and/or an email.

In a perfect, polite world, all messages should be replied, but i fear that world does not exist.

It is indeed a slippery slope.

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