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betticus -> RE: Doms/Dommes .. Would you bottom to see what (1/25/2008 11:45:56 AM)

I had an ex try to top me and in theory it seemed like being tied up would be fun but in reality, when the first loop of rope touched me I had an almost violent physical reaction. So, no. Bottoming is not an option. 




LadyHathor -> RE: Doms/Dommes .. Would you bottom to see what (1/25/2008 12:16:57 PM)

 I actually spent almost 8 months as a submissive to a Dominant, to experience both the submissive side and a varity if implements--I think it makes Me better with implements and devices, but I was a bad submissive--go figure.




Marsh -> RE: Doms/Dommes .. Would you bottom to see what (1/25/2008 12:51:50 PM)

Mistress Passion, writes, "sure a dom can go through the physical motions but they are not going to ever experience these things in the same manner a sub will because they are not submissive... doms & subs are simply wired differently in this regard."
I so agree, but would add the submissive or bottom does not experience and/or respound to a given stimuli in exactly the same way from day to day or person to person. Many variables come into play and irrespective of the expertise one has with throwing a single-tale the mental emotional state of the recipient can and will alter its effect. Time and temperature play a roll too, so undergoing the lash will only tell you how it effected you at the time it occurred.




Jeffff -> RE: Doms/Dommes .. Would you bottom to see what (1/25/2008 12:55:23 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

Hey ladies if I could talk Jeff into anything think what I could do for you.


Man..........I hope Ron doesn't see that.....[8D]

Jeff




SimplyMichael -> RE: Doms/Dommes .. Would you bottom to see what (1/25/2008 12:55:52 PM)

I can't experience what it is like to "be gay" or to "be Mexican" or anything else.  I can develop empathy but I can't be anything but me.  If you can't develop empathy any other way I suppose it would work.

Consider this, "old guard" were gay men, the people who brought you "glory holes" for anonymous sex.  Imagine that instead of some noble purpose, making the fresh meat bottom first was a way of supplying them with sex partners.

I mean if it is so educational for a top to bottom and we are always talking about "training" submissives, wouldn't forcing submissives to start out as tops be even more important? 

But we don't do that, do we? 




VeryMercurial -> RE: Doms/Dommes .. Would you bottom to see what (1/25/2008 3:08:21 PM)

My answer is a simple, no.




DesFIP -> RE: Doms/Dommes .. Would you bottom to see what (1/25/2008 4:04:10 PM)

He'll try out a brand new toy on his thigh to see if it's stingy or thuddy and how painful it is. But the truth is he has more pain tolerance than I do so he still has to remember to tone it down.

However I have grabbed toys before and used them on him. Not the plain pain stuff like a wooden spoon, but the ones that cause a weird mix of sensations. He doesn't mind my running it up his leg and then discussing the sensation with him. But then he knows I'm doing it to get more info on what the mix of sensations are, not for revenge. If I do that, I pay for it. The intent matters to him.




SirJohnMandevill -> RE: Doms/Dommes .. Would you bottom to see what (1/25/2008 4:28:56 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: venusinblu

it felt like?  Submit to a Pro to get a feel of what a sub/slave feels?  Submit to whatever sexual activities you personally consider submissive acts in order to view and feel it from the other side, as it were? 

Do you think it might make you a better Dom/Domme to have experienced all that you intend to 'inflict' (for want of a better word) on your sub/slave?


No. Not no body, not no how.

I judge what activities "feel" like to my submissive by her actions and her communication afterward. That approach has worked for me so far.

Les (Purveyor of Fine, Handcrafted Kink)

Les (Purveyor of Fine, Handcrafted Kink)




AMaster -> RE: Doms/Dommes .. Would you bottom to see what (1/25/2008 5:49:08 PM)

No.




TheLookingGirl -> RE: Doms/Dommes .. Would you bottom to see what (1/25/2008 6:20:43 PM)

I've considred it. Played with it quite a bit...but I'm not sure if it would work out well or not (FOR ME). A certain someone has been threatening me with this experience as of late (in a completely naughty good fun way...he's dominant himself) and who knows, it may work out. Then again it may turn into one of those "should have kept it as a 'what if' " type deals.




MBETWO -> RE: Doms/Dommes .. Would you bottom to see what (1/25/2008 11:13:17 PM)

nope, for me pain only hurts it doesn't transend to something else.
I don't know how you bottoms do it, and I'm very impressed and greatful that you do.




pettingdragons -> RE: Doms/Dommes .. Would you bottom to see what (1/26/2008 5:39:02 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: venusinblu

it felt like?  Submit to a Pro to get a feel of what a sub/slave feels?  Submit to whatever sexual activities you personally consider submissive acts in order to view and feel it from the other side, as it were? 

Do you think it might make you a better Dom/Domme to have experienced all that you intend to 'inflict' (for want of a better word) on your sub/slave?





Im a switch..I have pro friends...I do it all the time!!!  LOL

Pamela




ItalianSMistress -> RE: Doms/Dommes .. Would you bottom to see what (1/26/2008 7:52:52 AM)

I could never submit or bottom at all.  Its just not in My nature. I started as a Domme, cuz that is who I am.




Evility -> RE: Doms/Dommes .. Would you bottom to see what (1/26/2008 10:14:38 AM)

quoting: venusinblu
Would you bottom to see what it felt like?


I've done that. Not out of curiousity as to what it feels like to bottom or out of any desire to bottom since I have none but to see the other party placed in the top position and to see how they respond. This has only occurred with my submissive partners in occasional cases where we inverted roles temporarily. I have not done this with another dominant.

Submit to a Pro to get a feel of what a sub/slave feels?

This is something I would most likely do only in the confines of my own relationship. Again, for me it's not really about experiencing the sensation myself but to see how the other party reacts.

One thing I have always wanted to do is to top another female dominant. I think this stems from my whole dominant philosophy of enjoying most the things that my submissive hates the most. What better way to pursue that dynamic than with someone who is not used to the bottom position at all?

If I knew a female dominant (pro or otherwise) who was also intrigued by this dynamic in the spirit of quid pro quo I would offer to play the role of the bottom to her in return for her doing the same for me. I actually had a preliminary discussion about this once with a Domme I know who ultimately declined when she decided she was getting in over her head. Knowing her as well as I think I do I suspect my submissive would even enjoy being a spectator to this. She might even enjoy assisting. We do not live in a 'color by number' world with where it is a mortal sin to paint outside the lines. I decide where the lines shall be.

This is more of a fetish/fantasy thing and not really in keeping with your question, but so what? [;)]

Do you think it might make you a better Dom/Domme to have experienced all that you intend to 'inflict' (for want of a better word) on your sub/slave?

It can. It depends why you do it and what you take away from it. I think that one of the cornerstones of all of this is knowledge and experience. It's what tends to separate the really skilled from the not so skilled among us. This experience can be purely on the dominant side for dominants - it does not have to be in the form of a bottoming experience and no amount of bottoming will make you any better at wielding a single tail - but someone who has walked a few miles in both sets of shoes clearly has a perspective that those who have never ventured there will not possess. Your submissive can talk and journal 'til she drops about her experiences but that will never be the same as you having experienced it.






collaredncontent -> RE: Doms/Dommes .. Would you bottom to see what (1/26/2008 7:23:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: viewfromthetop

Interesting question.

I'd probably experiment with being submissive, except that my pet is as far from dominant as you'll ever get. He does top occasionally, in the most literal/physical sense of the term, and I'd say it's been a good learning experience. I know a little more now about what he goes through. And it was kind of fun, as a once-in-a-blue-moon thing.


Yes, yes it was. But even then before we started this dynamic it didn't feel powerful to 'top' you. I was enjoying the way you reacted most, since I'd do anything to please you. I like seeing you happy. And yeah, I'm not a dominant type of person it's a good thing you are.




DaggerDom -> RE: Doms/Dommes .. Would you bottom to see what (1/26/2008 10:39:41 PM)

For sensation yes, for experience, no, for reasons I tend to rant about.  And the only time I bottomed to a pro domme was when I was teaching one and it was the only way I could get her to learn anything!




DiurnalVampire -> RE: Doms/Dommes .. Would you bottom to see what (1/27/2008 9:30:53 AM)

I have answered this before in much the same way.
Bottoming would not make me a better Domme,because I would learn nothing. I alreayd know what it feels like to be hit with a riding crop, I did it to myself when I made the purchase. No matter who does it, I will never ENJOY the feeling of being hit. If I dont enjoy it, how can I learn to be a better Domme to someone like Fox who does enjoy the sensation? I could not give myself someone to be treated like a baby , to learn how to treat Angel. I just couldnt do it, because I couldnt put myself in that mindset.
If I actually believed I would learn something useful from it, I might consider it. But I dont think I could gain any more insight bottoming than I do have an indepth conversation with Fox after a session, so I'll stick to that. We both enjoy all aspects of that rather than my getting through a bottom session just for the education of it

DV




MiladyElaine -> RE: Doms/Dommes .. Would you bottom to see what (1/27/2008 10:39:02 AM)

I have no desire to submit to "see what it feels like", no way!




LadyHugs -> RE: Doms/Dommes .. Would you bottom to see what (1/27/2008 1:00:15 PM)

Dear venusinblu, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
In my travels, I have met submissives/slaves that have requested me to mentor them in the art of TOPPING.  It took them to a different level and or point of view than being just an observer and or experience just from the bottom side.  Taken away from their experiences, they could appreciate what knowledge, experiences and 'feelings' what a Dominant might/could go through.  I do say might/could go through, as no one Dominant applys themselves identically, just as no military officer applies their leadership in an identical manner. 
 
If I am 'reading' correctly into your postings -- I believe the question would mirror those within the military ranks.  I do believe that the ability to lead, use the lives of their troops wisely, the levels of command, authority, responsibilities and tactical knowledge is gained through personal experiences, to include 'submitting' to a higher authority such as a command structure.  For example for the US Military, there is West Point for Army officer canidates.  They have to go through their own form of 'boot camp' which is grooming for their future appointments as junior officers.  Enlisted go through various training bases and leave as to continue in service.
Junior officers from West Point, just as the Enlisted take what has been given from their instructors and from there make their own way to the best they can be, regardless if an officer, non-commissioned officer and or the soldier.
 
Respect, especially well documented in the Civil War; was earned by the soldiers they lead.  With the high losses of those in the ranks of officers and Generals; leadership by others who were not from West Point and or a professional training ground had first served in the capacity of a soldier and, wisdom and experience transferred into their leadership style. 
 
With belief, that knowing what goes on in the different roles be it military and or in BDSM; cannot hurt but, be of help.  And, though many feel that bottoming, submission even briefly is insulting to them personally and immediately go into being a TOP; they hopefully would work very hard as to treat any and all bottoms, submissives and or slaves, with respect, dignity and valuable.  I also hope that submissives also invite thoughts on TOPPING and apply their skills in Domination.  I say this, as often has been the case--it gives a new appreciation of what responsibilities that come with leadership and authority roles.  The old saying 'grass is greener on the other side of the fence. 
 
A lot of slaves and submissive types have asked me, if (in general) do 'these' (in general) Dominants really understand what they ask of them (in general).  I understand that some do not have a clue, especially when new --they just see the ability to give orders and someone obey.
They do not see, appreciate and or understand the foundation built by individuals in a D/s and or M/s capacity as to come to that ability to give orders and someone obey.  And, as evident as we know it to be via messages to individuals on Collarme.com; there are some who have no idea that D/s and or M/s authority is linked to the title of Master, Mistress and or Dominant, is not an entitled one but; a one earned through respect by someone they wish to be in a relationship with.  I do believe personally, that slaves/submissives can/will teach their Dominant many things directly, indirectly as -- communication, resource and educational avenues are easy to gain, via local support and education groups, conventions and workshops.
There are academies that have courses for Master or slave training, which gives a sense of foundation as to what these roles are in general.  The rest is up to individuals on their own.
 
Just some thoughts.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs




MsSaskia -> RE: Doms/Dommes .. Would you bottom to see what (1/27/2008 1:47:33 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: domiguy

The only reason I would go to a pro is to see how much money it would take to nail her in the can and then have her blow me.


What's a dazzling vanilla urbanite like you doing in a rustic BDSM setting like this?  Can't you get sex without paying for it?




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