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RE: Faith and BDSM Lifestyles - 1/26/2008 6:58:52 AM

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Isn't homosexuality a sin in the Jewish religion?

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RE: Faith and BDSM Lifestyles - 1/26/2008 7:10:46 AM

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SO is an evolutionist and i'm a christian - we plan to get married in a church however will keep religion out of our relationship. not saving i wouldn't be allowed to attend services but saying he respects my faith and vice versa.

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RE: Faith and BDSM Lifestyles - 1/26/2008 7:25:39 AM

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Everyone in my household at this time would identify as Christian, some type of Protestant if pushed, but none of us are religious and we don't attach any church.

We have found that our spiritual connection to the Divine is more important than the human interpretations of an established church. We can interpret things ourselves, why would another person be more or less qualified than us when one of us can at least read the New Testament in Greek and has a solid grounding in the cultures that created, wrote, and organized them?

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RE: Faith and BDSM Lifestyles - 1/26/2008 8:31:30 AM

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I posted earlier in this thread I don't believe being a Christian conflicts with me being in the "life style". I believe thats true...I also don't "make God fit" into anything. I don't feel I twist or ignore anything.

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RE: Faith and BDSM Lifestyles - 1/26/2008 8:33:26 AM

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Isn't homosexuality a sin in the Jewish religion?

Depends which Judaism you're talking about. Reform Judaism does not classify it as a sin, but Orthodox Judaism does. Frankly the Bible was a bit vague on the subject in Leviticus, in my humble opinion. That, and right in the same chapter it classifies shell-fish and mixed cloths a sin as well yet I have not seen a Christian or a Jew who protests at Red Lobester or clothing department stores and I think everyone has worn polyester.

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RE: Faith and BDSM Lifestyles - 1/26/2008 8:36:23 AM

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http://www.collarchat.com/m_759471/mpage_2/key_religion/tm.htm#761510
bdsm and christianity to me

http://www.collarchat.com/m_651144/mpage_1/key_christian/tm.htm#651149
"Christian" bdsm?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_101393/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#101393
bdsm lifestyle vs christianity/religion

http://www.collarchat.com/m_112713/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#112713
bdsm spirituality???

http://www.collarchat.com/m_114995/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#114995
Christianity and ds bdsm

http://www.collarchat.com/m_154410/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#154410
a sacred take on bdsm

http://www.collarchat.com/m_168844/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#168844
bdsm and religion

http://www.collarchat.com/m_176205/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#176205
sensuality & religion = what?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_193896/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#193896
religion and bdsm

http://www.collarchat.com/m_275551/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#275551
christians everywhere!

http://www.collarchat.com/m_323932/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#323932
no...not the spiritual trip

http://www.collarchat.com/m_299050/mpage_1/key_faith%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#299050
power and spirit

http://www.collarchat.com/m_133611/mpage_1/key_spirituality%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#133611
bdsm and spirituality?

Thank you...I feel rather dense that I didn't know you could search this forum or that past threads were kept for any length of time. This has been helpful in more ways than one.

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RE: Faith and BDSM Lifestyles - 1/26/2008 9:01:46 AM

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You can take any belief system and adopt it to fit what you want it to. (BDSM included.) You can interpret anything to fit your desires. You can make "God" have whatever values you do. You can edit it any way you want. You can ignore any part you want. You can add any part you want.

If you want a religion, just make the one you want. You can believe whatever you like. If you want to be a Christian into BDSM, just make it so God has values that are more compatiable with BDSM and ignore things that are against it. You want God to be female? Bam! She's having holy periods of wrath on sinners every fourth week of the month. You want to be special? Bam! God listens to you when you talk to her and you can interpret little things in life to be what she's saying back to you, or listen to her as a voice in your head; just look out on that fourth week!

Most people tend to start from a template, typically their notion of a "mainstream religion", then editting it to suit them.

Agreed.

I don't know why the op is even concerned. If this one isn't a good fit I'm sure you will stumble across a new one,in the not so distant future, that is a tad bit "snugger." ...Then as you age and get closer to death, you will probably lock on to the one "true religion" and become a fervent believer, thumbing your holier than though nose at others, as you start to cram for your final exam....It's what we do.

Congratulations!!...You have taken your first steps towards a life of full of righteousness and hypocrisy....Enjoy the trip.

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RE: Faith and BDSM Lifestyles - 1/26/2008 2:03:19 PM

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Isn't homosexuality a sin in the Jewish religion?

If you define a religion as what the majority of people in it would say, then, perhaps.

But why can't one just believe in what he considers to be Judaism, then just ignore the part about homosexuality? He can still call himself a Jew or whatever else he feels like. Such is the freedom of religion.

Religion is very versatile.. it can be anything one wants it to be. It can even be contradictory.

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RE: Faith and BDSM Lifestyles - 1/26/2008 2:20:38 PM

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The only possible discord I could foresee is that my Master will be submissive in a way to Yahweh, but the way I see it he submits to Yahweh and I submit to my Master and he helps guide me in our exploration of faith.

This need not be a cause for discord. Even kings serve. Whether one looks to Yahweh, Yeshua, Allah, or any other Deity, serving humbly and walking a spiritual path does not detract from your Master's rule over you.

I'd tend to disagree. If a greater power controls both the Master and slave, so the Master isn't in full control of the slave nor even himself. Or, to put it another way, the "Master" would be an alpha slave.. above one, but never contradicting God.

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RE: Faith and BDSM Lifestyles - 1/26/2008 2:40:26 PM

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The only possible discord I could foresee is that my Master will be submissive in a way to Yahweh, but the way I see it he submits to Yahweh and I submit to my Master and he helps guide me in our exploration of faith.

This need not be a cause for discord. Even kings serve. Whether one looks to Yahweh, Yeshua, Allah, or any other Deity, serving humbly and walking a spiritual path does not detract from your Master's rule over you.

I'd tend to disagree. If a greater power controls both the Master and slave, so the Master isn't in full control of the slave nor even himself. Or, to put it another way, the "Master" would be an alpha slave.. above one, but never contradicting God.

Even a master controls nothing. He commands, and he rules, and he is obeyed. He does not control.

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RE: Faith and BDSM Lifestyles - 1/26/2008 2:47:59 PM

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Even a master controls nothing. He commands, and he rules, and he is obeyed. He does not control.

How is ruling not control? Do you make this argument because his control is dependent on the slave's consent?

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RE: Faith and BDSM Lifestyles - 1/26/2008 2:58:23 PM

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Even a master controls nothing. He commands, and he rules, and he is obeyed. He does not control.

How is ruling not control? Do you make this argument because his control is dependent on the slave's consent?

"You can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him" -- Robert A. Heinlein.

Similarly, the most you can do to a slave is release her.

In neither instance is there control. Control is an illusion.

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RE: Faith and BDSM Lifestyles - 1/26/2008 3:00:12 PM

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I think everyone has worn polyester.

Shouldn't that be a sin regardless of religion?

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RE: Faith and BDSM Lifestyles - 1/26/2008 3:06:47 PM

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control is the greatest illusion of all...along with love...:)

and yes polyester is a sin...or at least the greatest turn off in the world...LOL

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RE: Faith and BDSM Lifestyles - 1/26/2008 3:18:46 PM

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My conflict with this question has always been that one is to submit to the ultimate Master. What if my earthly Master orders me to do something in conflict with Biblical teachings?
For that matter, the Bible (Christian, here) teaches against sex before marriage. Master and I aren't married. Is this not a conflict? I admit this to be an elementry question, but all of you can follow the gist of what I am saying.

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RE: Faith and BDSM Lifestyles - 1/26/2008 4:54:16 PM

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My conflict with this question has always been that one is to submit to the ultimate Master. What if my earthly Master orders me to do something in conflict with Biblical teachings?
For that matter, the Bible (Christian, here) teaches against sex before marriage. Master and I aren't married. Is this not a conflict? I admit this to be an elementry question, but all of you can follow the gist of what I am saying.

You can just say that God doesn't actually mind premartial sex. If someone brings up how it was against the religion and condemned in Jesus's day by the prophets, you can just say that those were humans bending the will of God to control people.

Religion's made up, so if you're going to have one, you may as well make it up in such a manner that suits you.

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RE: Faith and BDSM Lifestyles - 1/26/2008 4:56:16 PM

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"You can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him" -- Robert A. Heinlein.

Similarly, the most you can do to a slave is release her.

In neither instance is there control. Control is an illusion.

While I can appreciate the romantic aspect to this ideal, does not one control his own finger? If he does, then doesn't he also control the trigger it's attached to?

If people are chemical consquences, and one affects a chemical system in such a way to induce an action of his own design, how is this any different from controlling the trigger of a gun, or one's own finger, or one's own thoughts?

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RE: Faith and BDSM Lifestyles - 1/26/2008 4:59:49 PM

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in most Jewish households the woman runs the family and the man usually defers to her. So between the Jewish guilt and the domineering wife. BDSM has been a stable in Jewish life for years.

Care to state your credentials for that highly bitchy statement.

Women's responsibilities are in the home, men's responsibilities are in the outside world. Women make home a place to refresh the body and synagogue service is where we refresh our spirit.

Orthodox women go to the mikvah, ritual bath, monthly after menstruation and return to their husbands as brides again. Loved and cherished brides on a honeymoon. Which probably has a lot to do with their much lower rate of divorce than the norm.

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RE: Faith and BDSM Lifestyles - 1/26/2008 5:32:03 PM

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It's part of my spiritual path to be a Master, as I feel it is of my slaves to serve me. We both serve each other and we both serve our higher power. It's how we serve that is different.

Master Fire

I love the way you have stated this.
My Master advises me on many aspects of my life and i recognise Him to be stronger than myself psychologically and i also recognised that He has been tested more severely in His life than i have and i have ultimate respect for that. i understand that it is my life's purpose to serve Him for as long as He decides that that is so and yet i understand that He respects my service and needs my service and thus will not release me from it.

i am happy to do whatever it is He asks of me, when He asks me. Thus far He has never asked me to do anything that i was not able to do and yet at the time of asking it i may have felt unwilling. And We both serve a Higher Power than Ourselves and both believe that it is Our personal karma that We have the relationship We have even though i forget and He always reminds me when i do.

I believe utterly and ultimately in the power of Spirit, which many call their god, and that Universal Spirit knows what is best for me, (even though i also at times forget this), and for Him and ultimately through whatever tests we are all set, what is evidently and may also not yet evidently be good for us all.

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RE: Faith and BDSM Lifestyles - 1/26/2008 6:12:38 PM

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Agreed.

I don't know why the op is even concerned. If this one isn't a good fit I'm sure you will stumble across a new one,in the not so distant future, that is a tad bit "snugger." ...Then as you age and get closer to death, you will probably lock on to the one "true religion" and become a fervent believer, thumbing your holier than though nose at others, as you start to cram for your final exam....It's what we do.

Congratulations!!...You have taken your first steps towards a life of full of righteousness and hypocrisy....Enjoy the trip.

Teehee - was thinking the same thing as I read the posts. I can't believe how passionate people are about their religion de jour until it conflicts with their life.

Join the BDSM Church. Your weekly tithing is your fetish, vice, drug or alcohol i.e... if you have a stocking fetish you give the Minster stockings... and so on... The US government gives charitable deduction for the donation. The Church appreicates the 'gift' I promise. Wonders to self if there is a confessional and where the sign-up list is to hear them...

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