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collaredncontent -> RE: Faith and BDSM Lifestyles (1/26/2008 7:03:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy quote: ORIGINAL: CuriousLord You can take any belief system and adopt it to fit what you want it to. (BDSM included.) You can interpret anything to fit your desires. You can make "God" have whatever values you do. You can edit it any way you want. You can ignore any part you want. You can add any part you want. If you want a religion, just make the one you want. You can believe whatever you like. If you want to be a Christian into BDSM, just make it so God has values that are more compatiable with BDSM and ignore things that are against it. You want God to be female? Bam! She's having holy periods of wrath on sinners every fourth week of the month. You want to be special? Bam! God listens to you when you talk to her and you can interpret little things in life to be what she's saying back to you, or listen to her as a voice in your head; just look out on that fourth week! Most people tend to start from a template, typically their notion of a "mainstream religion", then editting it to suit them. Agreed. I don't know why the op is even concerned. If this one isn't a good fit I'm sure you will stumble across a new one,in the not so distant future, that is a tad bit "snugger." ...Then as you age and get closer to death, you will probably lock on to the one "true religion" and become a fervent believer, thumbing your holier than though nose at others, as you start to cram for your final exam....It's what we do. Congratulations!!...You have taken your first steps towards a life of full of righteousness and hypocrisy....Enjoy the trip. I must ask, how do you know I have not faced death before? Your narrow minded view prevents you from even thinking there are other possibilities. I'm sorry, but I do not think you are the authority on all subjects as you apparently do.

KnightofMists -> RE: Faith and BDSM Lifestyles (1/26/2008 7:33:40 PM)
"give to god what is god's and give to rome what is rome's" This thought is what guided me in reconciling my faith with my lifestyle choices. The key was understanding what I thought was god's and what I thought was mine.

MadRabbit -> RE: Faith and BDSM Lifestyles (1/26/2008 7:39:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CuriousLord quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 "You can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him" -- Robert A. Heinlein. Similarly, the most you can do to a slave is release her. In neither instance is there control. Control is an illusion. While I can appreciate the romantic aspect to this ideal, does not one control his own finger? If he does, then doesn't he also control the trigger it's attached to? If people are chemical consquences, and one affects a chemical system in such a way to induce an action of his own design, how is this any different from controlling the trigger of a gun, or one's own finger, or one's own thoughts? I would go with celticlord's romantic fantasy as opposed to your fantasy of being God.

sharainks -> RE: Faith and BDSM Lifestyles (1/26/2008 7:44:26 PM)
Curious Lord is 20. I remember that age. You believe you already have the answer to everything in life. Other's ideas are shut out especially those that disagree with your opinion. It goes away by 30 or so after you've been kicked in the pants enough to get a firm grasp on the fact that you don't know as much as you originally thought you did. quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: Religion's made up, so if you're going to have one, you may as well make it up in such a manner that suits you. Do you enjoy making asinine comments, or are you truly that lacking in both clue and basic etiquette?

CuriousLord -> RE: Faith and BDSM Lifestyles (1/26/2008 7:49:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MadRabbit I would go with celticlord's romantic fantasy as opposed to your fantasy of being God. Because I so say I'm God. ;)

collaredncontent -> RE: Faith and BDSM Lifestyles (1/26/2008 7:50:28 PM)
I like to think I have an open mind to those who present well thought out ideas, for being 22. I know I don't have all the answers and frankly I don't think I ever will, but I have to give it a shot. I know what you mean though, I thought I had it all figured out at 20, two years has changed much of that.

CuriousLord -> RE: Faith and BDSM Lifestyles (1/26/2008 7:52:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sharainks Curious Lord is 20. I remember that age. You believe you already have the answer to everything in life. Other's ideas are shut out especially those that disagree with your opinion. It goes away by 30 or so after you've been kicked in the pants enough to get a firm grasp on the fact that you don't know as much as you originally thought you did. It always strikes me as odd that those with such wisdom chose to ignore it with respect to their own lives.

KnightofMists -> RE: Faith and BDSM Lifestyles (1/26/2008 7:52:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CuriousLord Forgive me if I value truth over your romanticism. My answers will be honest even if it offends you. You are forgiven.. and for pence go do 20 hail mary's for your close-mindedness. But seriously... what you see as truth will be another person's lie and so forth. It doesn't make you wrong or anyone else. We all have our own truth and we often just see others through the prism of truth we judge the world on. Some well see little or nothing as belonging to God.. and others will go to the very other end. There is an inverse relationship in that if little belongs to god.... much belongs to man. I see nothing that makes one specific truth right for everyone, but I do know that my truth is best for me and only me. I also respect that others will their own truth that maybe very different than mine or even similiar. My only hope is that each individual can reconcile their moral values with their lifestyle choices. A lack of reconcilations leads to a tortured existence that will prevent one from living a happy life.

ModeratorEleven -> RE: Faith and BDSM Lifestyles (1/26/2008 7:55:29 PM)
Ok folks, please knock off the personal barbs. XI

MadRabbit -> RE: Faith and BDSM Lifestyles (1/26/2008 7:56:03 PM)
I would like to see him use his ability to control my chemical systems and make me dance like a chicken at my desk.

CuriousLord -> RE: Faith and BDSM Lifestyles (1/26/2008 8:01:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KnightofMists But seriously... what you see as truth will be another person's lie and so forth. It doesn't make you wrong or anyone else. We all have our own truth and we often just see others through the prism of truth we judge the world on. Some well see little or nothing as belonging to God.. and others will go to the very other end. There is an inverse relationship in that if little belongs to god.... much belongs to man. I see nothing that makes one specific truth right for everyone, but I do know that my truth is best for me and only me. I also respect that others will their own truth that maybe very different than mine or even similiar. My only hope is that each individual can reconcile their moral values with their lifestyle choices. A lack of reconcilations leads to a tortured existence that will prevent one from living a happy life. It's important to look at the world, not through the eyes you've been taught to have, but empiracle ones. I mean, sure, there could be a greater being. But there could also be immortal cows who spew golden milk graving on the ever-green grass of ultimate health on the far side of the moon. Now, while I can't tell you that there are no cows, I can tell you that it's silly to believe that there are. Such is my case with religion. It's silly to just assume there's a God, or a Heaven, or sins or devils or magic or pixies or any such thing. I'm not claiming to know for sure that there's no higher power which may resemble a God.. but I'm also not claiming that there's no immortal cows on the far side of the moon. I'm just encouraging people not to believe in something blindly. Is that really so arrogant of me?

collaredncontent -> RE: Faith and BDSM Lifestyles (1/26/2008 8:06:31 PM)
quote: It's silly to just assume there's a God, or a Heaven, or sins or devils or magic or pixies or any such thing. I'm not claiming to know for sure that there's no higher power which may resemble a God.. but I'm also not claiming that there's no immortal cows on the far side of the moon. I'm just encouraging people not to believe in something blindly. Is that really so arrogant of me? It is when I stated in the original post that this thread wasn't about whether or not you believe there is a god or what god you believe should be worshipped. I simply wanted to see if anyone else identified with a religion and how they incorporated it into their lifestyle and dynamics. I'm sorry some people can't seem to stay focused when they have such witty retorts to spew out and their own arrogant and narrowminded prose they feel MUST be so important that it doesn't matter what the topic is.

viewfromthetop -> RE: Faith and BDSM Lifestyles (1/26/2008 8:08:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CuriousLord I'm just encouraging people not to believe in something blindly. Is that really so arrogant of me? In this particular context? Yes. The OP wasn't asking "is religion/faith a good or bad thing" - in fact, I'm fairly sure he specifically asked that that particular debate be left out of this. The actual question was about how those -with- a particular faith view it in relation to the lifestyle. I understand your arguments and I can respect them, but they're out of place in this discussion. And it does come across as arrogant trying to talk people out of beliefs that, to many, are very fundamental. Live and let live.

CuriousLord -> RE: Faith and BDSM Lifestyles (1/26/2008 8:12:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: collaredncontent It is when I stated in the original post that this thread wasn't about whether or not you believe there is a god or what god you believe should be worshipped. I simply wanted to see if anyone else identified with a religion and how they incorporated it into their lifestyle and dynamics. And I offered my honest advice, right? I think that, if you want a religion, you can believe in anything you want. What else could someone tell you that could be any more helpful? It's honest, true, and gives you plenty of options. Please don't pin the contesting-the-existence-of-God on me. It's the people who replied to me in such a way, telling me that my view is invalid, that were starting this debate.

CuriousLord -> RE: Faith and BDSM Lifestyles (1/26/2008 8:13:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: viewfromthetop I understand your arguments and I can respect them, but they're out of place in this discussion. And it does come across as arrogant trying to talk people out of beliefs that, to many, are very fundamental. Live and let live. That's what I'm saying! You can believe in whatever you like! Anyone can! And as much as I may think it's stupid, I was trying to tell the OP that he can have any religion he wants, that his options aren't limited by what people tell him are the pre-set religions of what's right and wrong.

CuriousLord -> RE: Faith and BDSM Lifestyles (1/26/2008 8:16:14 PM)
Look guys. The simple matter of the fact is that you can believe in whatever you want, so the religion doesn't have to conflict with the lifestyle. I'm unwilling to go through another set of flames by people who can't accept views from an athiest. Peace.

MadRabbit -> RE: Faith and BDSM Lifestyles (1/26/2008 8:18:01 PM)
I'm still not dancing like a chicken!

CuriousLord -> RE: Faith and BDSM Lifestyles (1/26/2008 8:22:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MadRabbit I'm still not dancing like a chicken! Perhaps not physically.

domiguy -> RE: Faith and BDSM Lifestyles (1/26/2008 8:37:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: collaredncontent quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy quote: ORIGINAL: CuriousLord You can take any belief system and adopt it to fit what you want it to. (BDSM included.) You can interpret anything to fit your desires. You can make "God" have whatever values you do. You can edit it any way you want. You can ignore any part you want. You can add any part you want. If you want a religion, just make the one you want. You can believe whatever you like. If you want to be a Christian into BDSM, just make it so God has values that are more compatiable with BDSM and ignore things that are against it. You want God to be female? Bam! She's having holy periods of wrath on sinners every fourth week of the month. You want to be special? Bam! God listens to you when you talk to her and you can interpret little things in life to be what she's saying back to you, or listen to her as a voice in your head; just look out on that fourth week! Most people tend to start from a template, typically their notion of a "mainstream religion", then editting it to suit them. Agreed. I don't know why the op is even concerned. If this one isn't a good fit I'm sure you will stumble across a new one,in the not so distant future, that is a tad bit "snugger." ...Then as you age and get closer to death, you will probably lock on to the one "true religion" and become a fervent believer, thumbing your holier than though nose at others, as you start to cram for your final exam....It's what we do. Congratulations!!...You have taken your first steps towards a life of full of righteousness and hypocrisy....Enjoy the trip. I must ask, how do you know I have not faced death before? Your narrow minded view prevents you from even thinking there are other possibilities. I'm sorry, but I do not think you are the authority on all subjects as you apparently do. Please!....How narrowminded is the person that cannot even begin to grasp a world in which God does not even exist or whatever existance is not manifested with tremendous interaction between God and the "petty little humans?" You want to change religions what difference does it really make? Curious Lord is dead on. You are inevitably going to take what you feel is relevant to yourself from whatever religion you choose to adopt and dump the rest that is not comforting or that you which you consider to be "nonsensical." quote: CuriousLord That's what I'm saying! You can believe in whatever you like! Anyone can! And as much as I may think it's stupid, I was trying to tell the OP that he can have any religion he wants, that his options aren't limited by what people tell him are the pre-set religions of what's right and wrong. So by asking people what religion they have found that melds with their interests is moot. Some believe Noah constructed an ark...Others believe that adultery and fornication is cool as long as you are a "good person." It doesn't really matter, every person out here who believes in an "ism" has had to marginalize or modify the written word of their religion to make it apply to their own lives. It's what we do... Yes I have looked death square in the eyes.....She's hot. I have found that others when they begin to lean on the door where death might come a knockin' begin to believe...The final exam is coming. Like I said it's no big deal. It's expected. Whatever your reasons are for finding any religion are your own... Judiasm is much more guilt free than Christianity. With Judiasm you at least have the upper hand in that you can point at the silly little Christians and laugh at them for following the teachings of a mere mortal who said he was the son of God.

viewfromthetop -> RE: Faith and BDSM Lifestyles (1/26/2008 8:39:20 PM)
The whole point of the discussion, though, was that some people can't or don't want to change their personal beliefs at the drop of a hat. I think the question was more intended towards those with a certain dogma - not necessarily one that says BDSM is explicitly good or explicitly bad, just one that exists. And please. You weren't being "flamed" for being an atheist. I've been one for the better portion of my life. I think what collaredncontent and myself were saying was that the question had gotten derailed from "how do your personal /faith to your lifestyle?" to "beliefs/faith are meaningless". All right, I think I've spent more than my $0.02 on this thread.

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